Conservatives angry at Schwarzenegger

[question everything]

Monday, September 27, 2004

Conservatives angry at Schwarzenegger

The governor has grated on traditionalists by supporting gay rights, AIDS and gun-control legislation.
By Beth Fouhy
The Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO -- The Rev. Lou Sheldon wasn't thrilled when Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed legislation requiring health insurance policies to offer equal coverage to partners of gay and lesbian workers. Sheldon, a conservative activist and president of the Anaheim-based Traditional Values Coalition, grew more upset after Schwarzenegger approved legislation allowing hypodermic needles to be sold with no prescription as a way to slow the spread of AIDS.

But then, when Schwarzenegger approved a bill Wednesday to expand the definition of hate crimes -- which conservatives fear will lead to prosecutions of those who condemn homosexuality -- Sheldon declared war.

"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger must not be too troubled by what he's called 'girlie men' because he's just signed a bill into law that maintains 'sex' in California to include drag queens, cross-dressers and transsexuals," Sheldon announced in a written statement. "Schwarzenegger has sided with the homosexual and drag queen lobby in muddying the biological realities of male and female."

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[Spinzonner]

1. That's Traditional Bigotry Coalition

and we're very proud of our Native Son of a Bitch

[htuttle]

2. They're just pissed off because he outlawed sex with corpses last week

Took away all their fun.

[Fridays Child]

18. LOL!

[SCDem]

3. Although I am a straight heterosexual...

I think it my be pretty fun to be a lobbiest for the "homosexuals and drag queens". What would office attire be?

Sorry I know it is a serious subject but for Sheldon to say that Schwarzenegger is siding with the homosexual and drag queen lobby that was the first thing that popped in my head

[ninkasi]

19. I thought the same thing...

Homosexual and drag queen lobby? If these people didn't cause so much hatred and viciousness, it would be funny. I can't laugh long, though, because after scanning through DU this morning, I really am afraid of what this country is becoming.

The irony is that by the time the right-wing nuts completely take over, the America I was born in, and have lived in for all of my 61 years, will no longer be America. They screech about patriotism while destroying the country. The neocons and fundies are the enemy, not us.

[UpInArms]

4. don't you just love those "christians"

that completely disregard the 10 Commandments?

Thou shalt not kill (unless you feel like it)

Thou shalt not have any gods before me (except for large quantities of money)

Love thy neighbor as you love thyself (unless bigotry and hatred make you feel better)

[KurtNYC]

20. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor country

then thou shalt not make a quagmire and declare 'mission accomplished'

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors oil reserves.

[aquart]

25. The golden rule is NOT one of the ten commandments.

Where in the Bible is it?

[The Chronicler]

26. The Golden Rule sums up the Ten Commandments

Jesus said the two most important commandments a person can follow is to love God with all your heart and to treat others the way you yourself want to be treated. Taken together, the Golden Rule sums up the Ten Commandments.

[aquart]

44. Got the Bible numbers on that?

[The Chronicler]

47. Your attitude prevents me from looking it up

It's not worth it.

[Behind the Aegis]

29. here it is...

Love thy neighbor.... is in Mark 12:31 and the "Golden Rule," "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." is in Luke 6:31.

Brightest Blessings!

[aquart]

45. Thank you.

[Cha]

50. Thou shalt not have any other

gods before me..bush(false prophet).

[auburngrad82]

5. What did they expect?

They knew his history and his stance on gay rights, gun control, etc etc. They backed him simply because he was a Republican and he could win. They elected him, they can live with him.

[hadrons]

12. it's true ... Repukes just see "R" after the name

But as these southwest Virginians watch this week's Republican National Convention, many said, the speech most are interested in hearing is tonight's address by California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a self-styled moderate. That's because from afar, Schwarzenegger looks to many very conservative Republicans like one of their own.

"I like him. I wish we had him here in Virginia," said Polly Johnson, a 78-year-old retiree who sits on the state Republican central committee and helped organize the event this month. "He's such a strong conservative on the issues."

Schwarzenegger, in fact, supports abortion rights, favors a number of gun control measures and has said he has no personal objections to gay marriage. Asked about the governor's statements on such matters, Johnson said she hadn't heard them and expressed disbelief: "Deep down, he just comes across as a conservative."...

www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-arnold31aug31,1,1173996.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[Journeyman]

24. Paul Simon (the musician) said it best. . .

from "The Boxer". . .

All lies and jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. . .

[question everything]

42. Yeah, like many admired Jesse Ventura, hoped to have a governor just

like him.... of course, they have not seen how nutty he is now, and how he cannot take even a hint of criticism.

[SemperEadem]

34. actually, they backed him because they confused

his movie characters with the real man... they thought he'd go in with guns blazing, SUV's plowing up the earth to avenge all the wrongs they perceived Gray Davis doing--and now that that hasn't happened, they're all pissed off at him for not being the character they thought he really was.

While I don't agree with a lot of what he's doing, he's at least showing that he's got a broader view than the narrowminded 'man of gawd' will ever have.

[Heyo]

6. I totally agree...

...100 percent with the legalization of clean hypodermics...

That is a good thing that will save many lives.

Heyo

on edit: and not some bullshit government run exchange program, make them legal to buy from the pharmacy, that's the way to go. And I think that's what he did. Way to go!

[bleedingheart]

7. bwahahahahahaha! Proves Repukes vote for Canidates they don't know

hahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahaha

People here on DU said this time and time again about Ahnold...and low and behold it has come to pass that he proves that he isn't as republican as they thought!!!!

[calimary]

13. Well, dammit, it's TRUE. All these weasels know is their sacred "r"

at the end of some candidate's name.

But The Fact REMAINS, folks.

A LOT of Arnold's appeal here in California, beyond just the movie star crap, is that he is a MODERATE. Repeat after me, all you knuckledraggers. Arnold is a MODERATE. Which, frankly, is what a true Republican (NOT republi-CON) is designed to be. The laissez-faire attitude that they seem to want to confine strictly to big business these days USED TO extend to people's personal lives and personal rights and personal issues as well. Like - when "get the government off your back" REALLY meant something to the average guy. Now, these people still want to "get the government off your backs" as long as those backs belong to Big Business and the purported Military Industrial Complex. And when they've removed the government from those particular backs, it has to go somewhere, doesn't it? Well, then, how 'bout people's BEDROOMS? And CONSCIENCES? And ladies, how 'bout those nether regions of yours, too? We should shove the government way up in there, too. Frankly I'm surprised they haven't tried to annex the human uterus and declare it collectively as our 51st state.

But Arnold IS a MODERATE. He has always been a MODERATE. Indeed, I find him preferable to a LOT of republi-CONS paraded in front of us across the national stage. He's the ONLY republi-CON who could do it. If a more conservative candidate had had any traction, THAT person would have carried the day. And none of them did, did they?

No, this was simply a quick-n-dirty "smash and grab." They wanted the California governor's office to be republi-CON. Period. ANY republi-CON would do, just as long as that precious "r" came after the candidate's name. Just as many of us here feel about bush, they woulda voted for a ham sandwich if it had had an "r" after it. It was ABGD - ANYONE BUT GRAY DAVIS. And when Arnold indicated he was interested, that was all they needed to hear, because they knew his marquee value alone would be worth multiple millions in campaign advertising and free news coverage. Anytime Arnold even farted, the camera crews were all there, panting heavily, fighting for front-row seats. ALL they cared about, out here, was getting rid of Gray Davis, since they weren't able to do it legitimately in the previous election (when, mind you, they put up that walking, talking embarrassment bill simon against Davis, and Davis beat him fair and square). And simon came back during the recall to try again, and wound up pulling out. Same thing for darrell issa, who they just used for his money to get the recall campaign off the ground before they summarily discarded him. They KNEW they wouldn't win with him either. Why? Because he's too fuckin' CONSERVATIVE. Same thing with bill simon, and besides, he already had LOSER-smell all over him.

Here, they thought all they were gonna need was just one more republi-CON in control, and they didn't bother to read the fine print - about where Arnold really stands on a lot of issues. And now it's come back to bite them in their intolerant, extremist, closeminded, malevolent, bastardly backsides.

Besides, Arnold's probably hedging his bets - he may have to go back to Hollywood at some point if his political life crashes and burns, and he may not want everybody pissed off with him. It could also be that he's got too many friends he values, who can green-light films, and who just might be gay, or perhaps who've had to get an abortion - whom he'd rather not screw over (and their huge campaign checks don't bounce, either). Arnold may realize that his political leanings won't maintain him as the republi-CONS' darling forever.

It's kind of nice to hear these crybabies whining now. Whatsa matter, didn't get the "right" republi-CON, after all? Arnold spoiling your little petty party?

[shanti]

21. i could live with arnold...barely

IF i didn't already know about his meeting(s) with ken lay, et al. because of that, regardless of his moderate repuke politics, i cannot trust him to have the best interests of californians in mind.

follow the money....always.

[bleedingheart]

23. do you recall during the RNC convention when a reporter

asked some delegate if they knew that Arnold was pro-Gay rights, pro-gun control and pro-choice? The dumb delegate said.."must be some liberal slander"...bwhahahahah...it was just as you said...the ding dongs think that an (r) after the name means they are a rubber stamped variety neocon...

[calimary]

41. Not only that, but, when Colin Powell spoke at the gop CONvention

in San Diego, awhile back, he got booed by the audience when he said he was pro-choice. He was supposedly their star performer and they booed him when he had the nerve to step out of line. Right there on TV. You could hear it CLEARLY.

Yes, they ARE ding dongs. They assume if you've got an "r" after your name, you're one of the true believers. Arnold does NOT fit that mold. No liberal slander here. Just facts. But they THINK it's liberal slander. I guess that's what facts are, anymore... (Sigh)

[onehandle]

8. Arnold needs to get in touch with his inner Nazi.

C'mon, Arnold. Go hard Right. You can do it!

[Endangered Specie]

11. poor Adolf would be spinning in his grave...

if he knew what his followers were doing in office. :eyes:

[onehandle]

9. Arnold needs to get in touch with his inner Nazi.

C'mon, Arnold. Go hard Right. You can do it!

[David__77]

10. I gave Sheldon the finger when I was 16.

He was prancing down the street near the Capitol building. He's much more marginalized these days. He's out there with Bob Dornan and the various nuts.

[AlCzervik]

17. Bob Dornan......a crazy persons crazy person

he called cspan one day not too long ago, i never did officially confirm but you know that voice. It was the same dy Cher called, must have been about 6 months ago. Cher called and talked about visiting Walter Reed and then the mod asks her if it was Cher and she said yes, later on Bob Called and starting calling her a commie.

[0007]

38. I've heard Bob Dornan more than once on c-span

.....and yes this man is crazy indeed.

[Cha]

51. All the repukes can do is call

the beautiful people ..names! And I mean Dems(beautiful people)!

[snippy]

14. I dislike Schwarzenegger, but I think the democrats have missed

an opportunity to use him to foment some serious division within the republican party. I have always thought that democrats should praise Arnold and ask "Why can't all republicans be like Arnold? He is a uniter rather than a divider like president Bush." I think Arnold could be used by democrats to drive either the moderate republicans or the Reich wing fundamentalist republicans out of the GOP, or at least create lots of dissension within the party. I say all of this because I consider the Reich wing fundamentalist wing of the GOP to be a grave danger to this country and one of the most important parts of the republican base in many States.

[yellowcanine]

15. Lou Sheldon must be a "girlie boy" to attack Aahnold like that.

[KansDem]

16. Now you've done it, Arnold! Better stay out of medium-sized planes...

...don't think we need to worry about you ever getting into a small plane.

;)

[despairing optimist]

49. Arnold owns his own 747

and has actually done a lot of good charity work with it around the world. Not that I'm particularly a fan, but he's no Tom DeLay or Trent Lott.

[Book Lover]

22. Really? Because

I didn't see his Botoxed ass at Folsom.... Maybe Shel means that he is upset that Arnie didn't commit political suicide in California by *not* signing the hate crimes bill into law.

[Judi Lynn]

27. Republicans often have a hard time getting into office in some places

without resorting to dirty tricks and sabotage. Sheldon should keep his out-of-context Bible-quoting trap shut and be glad they pulled off this vicious act of initiating a hate campaign and stealing an office from the fairly elected Democratic Governor.

Sheesh! Impatient, pushy, hostile bastard, isn't he, as a guy who claims to be holy as hell?

[Mz Pip]

28. Drag queen lobby??

There's a drag queen lobby? That's too funny.

Schwarzenegger has always been very up front about his liberal social beliefs. Did Sheldon support Schwarzenegger in the Recall?

Here's a newflash to the RW fundies - Schwarzenegger will not be as easily manipulated as the Chimp. Get used to it.

MzPip
:dem:

[davidinalameda]

30. I was thinking the same thing

must have missed that newsletter

[jpgray]

40. That was what slayed me as well. Drag queen lobby!?

:D

[Borgnine]

31. AIDS?

I mean, I realize they have a pathetic fear of homosexuality (only because they can't come to grips with their own throbbing desires to suck cock), but do they actually still equate that having AIDS means you're gay? These knuckle draggers don't realize that you can get HIV through the "biological reality" of male and female intercourse, or even getting infected blood into your bloodstream?

I don't believe in Hell, but I'm hoping one is created just for these bastards.

[xxqqqzme]

32. is it possible

2 muddy 'biological realities'?

That drag queen lobby must have one hell of a clothing budget. But if its used in their job then I guess it's dedctable as well.

[Kolesar]

33. All are distractions from the Global-Warming regulations for automobiles

Thank the media for keeping these trivial subjects in the news.

[p0sitivevibez]

35. Finally!

Finally I think we have the first (and most defintley last) examplem of "compassionate conservatism". Arnold you may be a scummy republican, but that takes guts doing what hes doing. Gray Davis, where were you on these issues?

[sweetheart]

36. Anaheim - why am i not suprised

Orange county, the repuliblican nutball mecca. That they had to go
to the land of screaming GOP nutcases, to get some opposition suggests
that the rest of california thinks he's done right.

[kskiska]

37. So long, suckers!!!

When Arnie was running for governor he refused to reveal his stance on any issue. These guys were so enthralled by his movie star mystique they voted for him anyway, just because he had an (R) after his name. Now they've got the goods and they're unhappy. Bwaaaaaahhhhh!

[Swamp Rat]

39. The "Rev." Lou Sheldon leads the X-tian movement in CA

The members of the "Traditional Values Coalition" are not to be mistaken for Christians. They are X-tians, controlled by alien lizards.

[Deja Q]

43. Wow! I owe him an apology.

We may not always agree with Arnold, but gun control and equality for GLBT folks are high on my list.

Thank you, Governor Schwarzenegger.

(yes, I disagree with him on other important issues. But our political two-party system is divisive and we really need a system ran by people, not supporters of iconic animals.

[goforit]

46. OMG!!!.....These condervatives are just going way off the edge!!!

Just an understatement!!!

[Zerex71]

48. But, but, but...

...isn't he their wet dream??? I thought they were all about the Groping Austrian Beefcake???

[Character Assassin]

52. Where are all the mouth-breathers who stated he's in Bush's pocket

Hmmmmmm?

Where are all the histrionic Chicken Little handwringers who swore up and down that he only acted on calls from the WH or the ranch in Crawford?