Breaking -- Kerry Furious With Cahill

[ruggerson]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040905/nysu013_2.html


<snip>

NEW YORK, Sept. 5 /PRNewswire/ -- As Senator John Kerry's campaign reeled from tough attacks against his military record by a group of hostile Vietnam vets, his campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill and other staffers argued that the Swift Boat ads would blow over. But, as Newsweek reports in the September 13 issue (on newsstands Monday, September 6), Kerry had had enough. For three or four days, as he campaigned across the country, Kerry ripped into Cahill, furious that the mostly baseless attacks on his valor were driving his numbers down.

"He was very angry," one old friend says. "The calculation had been made that this wasn't going to hurt him," report Washington Correspondent Richard Wolffe and General Editor Susannah Meadows. Kerry's solution was to reach for an old ally. "Get Vallely," he screamed. Thomas Vallely is the leader of the pack of vets that Kerry calls his dog-hunters, a group that has beaten back the attacks on his Vietnam record since his first Senate race 20 years ago. "He knows that I know the other players," Vallely says of Kerry's Mayday call. "He knows that I also like this stuff." The return of the old warriors marked a turning point in the Swift Boat controversy, and a rare moment when Kerry stamped his authority on a drifting campaign, reports Newsweek. "OK, time to break out the fatigues. We've been there, done that. Time to do it again," says David Thorne, Kerry's close friend, of the mood among the senator's inner circle.

[Catfight]

1. All the deferment boys look for a spider hole to crawl in. LOL

All Hat and Boots better fill up that prescription of anti-depressants. LOL SWEET!

[chaumont58]

8. Best to wait awhile before breaking out the bubbly

Kerry is dealing with repukes. Shame is an emotion as foreign to them as compassion. There is no bottom to them.

[Voltaire99]

144. Well, I would have taken a deferment to avoid going to Vietnam

It's foolish, not to mention repellent, to try to paint the immoral US slaughter of the Vietnamese in heroic colors.

Sure, Cheney, et al, are creeps. They're creeps because of their corporate and imperial policies. But not because they didn't go help kill three million Vietnamese. Obviously, anyone who didn't kill Vietnamese is less morally compromised than those who did. You'd better ponder that one before sneering at deferments.

The whole Reporting For Duty sideshow has been a very bad mistake, a severe miscalculation of what Democrats want from Kerry. It has cost him needed support from the antiwar movement while allowing Bush a pass on the critical issues of Iraq and the economy. Frankly, Kerry's medal collection is meaningless in 2004; save that shit for beery afternoons at the VFW. Many, many of us are sick and tired of it.

[ikojo]

146. The issue regarding deferrments is that it was an option

available primarily to more well off kids. Those kids whose parents could afford to pay college tuition were the ones who were most likely to exercise student deferments. Working class kids whose parents could not afford college tuition were the ones who had to answer to their draft notice.

There was an excellent article in the New York Times early this year about which class really fights the wars and it isn't the one Kerry comes from. Noted in the article was an observation that there were far fewer people from Harvard who fought in Vietnam than who fought in WWII.

[Doosh]

2. good

Mary Beth has been eaten alive by Rove and is way in over her head. They weren't ready to fight and are still slow in responding. The element of surprise and innovation is completely lost on this campaign.

[dennis4868]

104. Mary Beth Cahill =

Donna Brazille = getting their asses kicked by Rove!

[CityDem]

121. Mary Beth needs to stay off the Xanax while on TV

She was horrible on CNN this past Friday. Kerry needs someone who can respond to the media's whore mongering for Bush and it is surely not Cahill.

[niceypoo]

3. Kerry needs to get control and go with his instincts.

What the hell is this about?

"The return of the old warriors marked a turning point in the Swift Boat controversy, and a rare moment when Kerry stamped his authority on a drifting campaign, reports Newsweek."

Fire the incompetent milque toast boobs and hire Carville or someone with simular brains and balls and hammer these cheating lowlife bastards!!

Whew! I feel better now.........

[Doosh]

5. get Lehane and Carville

and let's start slinging mud, you have to BE ROVE to beat Rove, time to stoop to his level.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

18. Carville can handle Rove. No EFFING doubt about it.

It is now to the point where the question is "What is it going to take for Carville to WANT to jump in there, 100%, and go after Rove's fat ass?"

Hopefully it's a question that will be answered very soon.

[lovuian]

103. Doesn't Carville have a wife high up in Bush's Regime

Isn't that dangerous too a double agent

Kerry looks like a flip flopper here too

Well I guess the voting machines that voted for Dean in the Democratic Primary were trying to tell Everybody This is a better candidate

oh Where was Kerry in making his decisions here ..Isn't he the Boss not Cahill

THE TRUTH BE KNOWN SKULL & BONERS ALWAYS A SKULL & BONER

PEOPLE PREDICTED THIS

[bearfan454]

139. Mary Matalin

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

19. Carville can handle Rove. No EFFING doubt about it.

It is now to the point where the question is "What is it going to take for Carville to WANT to jump in there, 100%, and go after Rove's fat ass?"

Hopefully it's a question that will be answered very soon.

[wryter2000]

65. Somehow, I think Carville would relish the fight

I'm not going to defend anyone in the campaign because I don't know enough about how these things should be handled. It is a crying shame that such obvious lies (SBVT) have to be countered. What a sad state we've come to when a veteran has to defend his military record against a draft-avoider.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

78. Exactly.

I don't know enough about Mary Beth either, but I DO know about Carville. I don't think it's about pointing the finger at anyone in the campaign. It's not the idea that Kerry "needs a Rove"...he needs someone who can HANDLE Rove, who can match him blow for blow and put the scumbag out of commission.

Carville could. I hope he does.

[Pirate Smile]

7. On MTP this morning, Carville said there will be more changes in the

next 2 or 3 days.

[Doosh]

25. I sure hope he's a part of those changes

[HughDunnette]

32. It may be too late...

The "incompetent milque toast boobs" (love that apt description) have probably done mortal damage to the Kerry Campaign. There's really only one issue in this election, and that is the war in Iraq. The Kerry campaign, in order to appear as the Anti-Dean, made the fateful decision to support the war. Everything from that point to the present has been a tortured exercise in explaining, rationalizing, justifying that decision.


As Michael Moore pointed out:

'He must realize that he faces Al Gore's fate only if he fails to stand up like the hero he is, only if he sits on the fence and keeps justifying his vote for the Iraq war instead of just saying, “Look, I was for it just like 70% of America until we learned the truth, and now I'm against it, like the majority of Americans are now.” '

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20040903/opcom03.art.htm

But, Kerry didn't do that. Instead he stood on the rim of the Grand Canyon and said that, even given all we now know about the Bushie's deceptions before the war, he still would have voted for it.

Kerry has dug himself into a hole, and probably Mary Beth Cahill has supplied the shovel. He has been outmaneuvered into a pissing contest with Dubya as to which of them is toughest on terrorism, and all Bush has to do to win that fight is to keep saying "9/11".

<sigh>. It's all pretty discouraging.

[aquart]

46. The war in Iraq we shouldn't be fighting? George failed there, too.

The issue in America is that George wants us to re-elect him because everything that happened in the last four years was out of his control. It was Clinton's fault, Osama's fault, Saddam's fault, France's fault, but never ever ever George's fault.

That's the decisive leader we're supposed to follow into the hell he's made of America. Lower taxes? So how come everyone but the billionaires have so much less money?

I don't want to seem pejorative, but it's the economy, Stupid.

[Chomskyite]

56. Nope sorry

Kerry saying he'd support a resolution to back up a president with the threat of force is not an endorsement of THIS war.

Buh-bye. Try again.

Don't forget to take home a copy of the home game.

[jdj]

69. Um, did you know that 9/11 happened in the US??

after tons of intel warning us? To which Bush's response was to go on vacation?

Um, did you know 3000 people died that day?

So tell me again how this is a positive for Bush???

[JohnOneillsMemory]

88. 8 months of ignoring Clarke's warnings, Ashcroft denying funding. she-yit.

That's a heap of dereliction of duty in any one's estimation
TO HARP ON TO WIN THE 'WAR ON TERROR' TOUGH GUY CONTEST SLAM-DUNK.

[dennis4868]

105. Yep.....

we are living in BIZZARO WORLD where up is down, and down is up....

[agincourt]

81. I still think Bush can be beat,

but it will take more than negatives, or negatives one would usually assume. Bush mobilizes his freeper base with swagger but they're 30% of the vote at best. We need to show there are two George Bushes: the comfort one with the cheeky wifey and daughters,talking about Jesus and the real one. The real one is a plantation owner surrounded by thugs pushing an extremist RW fascist agenda. If we can peel away that comfort veneer and show him as nasty as he is, not just dumb and over his head, we can win. We need to show the victims of his policies. If 60% of the population believe LIHOP is remotely possible, we will win. We have to make him discomforting to the American people.

[yardwork]

116. You're forgetting something important

Once the war is launched, it would be irresponsible for a presidential candidate to start making blanket statements that the war was wrong. That would be a slap in the face to the thousand men and women who died in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the uncounted thousands who are injured for life, not to mention all their families.

Kerry is wise in his strategy.

[radfringe]

73. sounds like

Let Kerry be Kerry!

Time for Dems to stop being "nice" - break out the RPMS (Rocket Propelled Mud Slinger)


Chicken Hawk Database -- http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks

[Stew225]

4. Gee, who among we fellow DU'ers would have

ever thought this? <sarcasm off>

So to those who were rattled by the "negative talk" about the campaign direction the past few days, realize that it seemingly was reality based, as opposed to baseless whining.

[Cobalt Violet]

11. I feel better now knowing Kerry was feeling what...

SOME of us were feeling. :bounce:

[Kahuna]

87. You mean all of us who were chided, mocked and ridiculed for showing..

concern WEEKS ago?????? In thread after thread we were derided and made fun of. "tee hee..Getta load of all the armchair strategists on DU...." !@#@!#@% :grr:

[TankLV]

95. Yes us - unfortunately, I'm sorry to say we were proven right.

And those who derided us weren't goo nice about it, either.

[progressivebydesign]

41. often it's the passengers on the ship that know it's off course..

before the captain realizes it.

You're totally right. I tired of being told to 'get over it' when questioning and asking about the Kerry Campaign. Some of us have a gut feeling for this stuff. I would never pretend to know what is best in all cases for Kerry's campaign, but we can feel when something isn't right.

I love to see Kerry angry... angry is good. Anger has motivated some of the greatest changes in our society. Bring it on!

[sampsonblk]

94. Where are all the apologies?

I don't see any of the prime suspects posting here in this thread. I wonder why?

[jimshoes]

6. Game on...

Look out chimpy, here comes the varsity.

[MrBenchley]

9. "one old friend says...."

This is the new campaign strategy from the Republicans.....Kerry's campaign is "out of control" or "drifting."

Of course, Kerry doesn't have to keep his convention's keynote speaker locked in a trunk, either....

[jimshoes]

13. Drifting into position

to fire a few broadsides into the scuppers of the SS chimpco.

[Catfight]

16. Just show Zell Miller and Cheney with spittle and glazed over rage in

their eyes with this new slogan of who is "out of control," and shall we all say together, DESPERATE!

I've never felt more unified, excited and proud to be a democrat than today! I'd be ashamed to be associated to the Purple Heartless, screaming, raging, lying, distorted face of repugs. They are out of hope, so now, they will try all these ridiculous tactics to 'market' Bush, all boots, all hat. LOL I love it, I'm like Moore and Carville, this just means we're a lot further ahead in the polls than we ever imagined. I'm starting to think it's going to be a landslide!

[lovuian]

106. Kerry Muzzled all of the Speakers at the Democratic Con

Don't be Mean to Bush
that came down from Kerry


Now the speakers were Nice and then what happened is after the Convention when television converage was over

Republicans put out the Swift Boats And attacked with all their might

Kerry agrees with Bush on Iraq
He agrees with Bush on Vietnam

I have major problems with Kerry agreeing with his running competitor

and Kerry has ignored his constiuents

WHY???

[Fleshdancer]

10. He's won enough elections to trust his gut at this point

The aides should have known better. The neocon attack dogs never stop until you roll up a newspaper and smack them with it several times.

Kerry can't change the past so as long as he learns from this and moves on while trusting his intuition, things will be fine. People here keep reassuring me that he's a fighter so we'll probably witness that this week.

[liberalcanuck]

26. I agree. Forget the damn focus groups -- it was that kind of shit

that was part of the problem in 2000. We can't please everybody but we can rally our base, register new voters and maybe, just maybe get a few repubes with a conscience (is that an oxymoron?) to do the right thing. But the latter should by no means be a priority. We are the majority in this country - we just need to get out and vote dammit!

:-)

[Bake]

53. Rolled up newspaper, my ass!

They need to beat those dogs like a rented mule (I know, mixing my metaphors)! Time to put on the boots and stomp those fuckers to the curb!! That's the only language they understand -- PAIN. Time to give 'em a whole lot of it.

Bring it on, Carville et al.

Bake

[calimary]

62. Well, if he's a fighter, then let's see it. So far, I'm not convinced.

BRING BACK HOWARD DEAN.

[gatlingforme]

12. Kerry will get this resolved. He has not gotten this far to have it blown.

[leftchick]

14. if he is so "furious" with her...

why was she on CBS this morning? :shrug:

[Snellius]

15. Why Kerry listens to Cahill or Shrum or Al From is beyond me

That was his mistake. At this point his campaign would get a boost from a thorough purge, like in the primaries against Dean.

[Doosh]

20. Cahill is the real problem , bring in David Wilhelm and Nick Baldick

We need to get Clinton's 1992 guy in here

[AngryOldDem]

17. For This Reason Alone....

>>>As Senator John Kerry's campaign reeled from tough attacks against his military record by a group of hostile Vietnam vets, his campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill and other staffers argued that the Swift Boat ads would blow over.>>>

Cahill should be fired. You never make any assumptions that allegations this serious will just "blow over." Not when you have a public who is more than ready to believe such bullshit out of hand, and an opponent who is more than willing to twist and turn such allegations out of all recognizable proportion in order to play to that public.

This gives me all the proof I need that Kerry needs to do a major housecleaning. Time is growing short. Stop being nice.

An honest question: Just who is Mary Beth Cahill and how did she become Kerry's campaign manager?

[Doosh]

22. Mary Beth managed a few Senate campaigns in the 80's I think

and she did a good job turning Kerry around in the primaries, however I think she gets too much credit. It was really Dick Gephardt's relentless attacks on Dean that tore him down, and ended up killing Gephardt's campaign as well. Lieberman and Clark made the foolish choice to stay in NH and were pretty much buried. It was both Edwards and Kerry that got the big bump in Iowa, with Kerry edging Edwards because of the experience issue. But Iowa really decided it.

Plus he had that great, touching, surprising moment with Jim Rassman, now where are camptivating moments like this when we need it? This campaign has been dull, toothless and lacking any element of surprise.

[Kahuna]

89. And don't forget the repuke echo machine that includes our ..

mainstream media. You are so right. Many of us on DU had brains enough to know that this would damage the campaign. But, Cahill didn't!!!!! Time for her to go.

[bfusco]

21. it's time to screw the bastards

The turn of his campaign and response to the swift boat lies seems like the same mistake Dukakis took in 88. Never underestimate the impact that low ball Repuke tactics will have. As much as the public says they hate negative campaigning, it is the most effective and continually works. They were duped into taking the high road at the Democratic Convention and not trashing Bush because they didn't want to appear nasty and negative and in turnn wind up having the shit slung all over them. You can't expect to surrvie a street fight by taking the high road. It's time to point out the cespool and that Bush and Co. thrive in. It's time to point out all the lies, death and destruction in Iraq being done for corporate carpet bagging, Halliburton scandals, the greatest national security failure in history on 9/11, the lies we were sold in Iraq, outing of Valerie Plame and the fact that Bush will not talk about his pathetic record and only offers lies and smears of his opponents.

[brentspeak]

23. Cahill thought the SmearVet thing would "just blow over"???

Good grief, the change in campaign leadership can't happen soon enough.

[Doosh]

27. there were hints bush would come out attacking in august

I specifically remember on drudge it was stated that bush was going to be on the attack. you can't just assume in such a close race that something would "blow over". Not being prepared for Bush's assault is inexcusable.

[BenDavid]

31. Hell, Kerry should watch

The American President when the fictional President realizes the public is only hearing one voice, the oppositions. Damn, if all the public is hearing and seeing is the Swift Boat ads and the right on all the talk shows and no response coming from the Kerry camp, what the hell do they expect. Hell Kerry got a good review from most of the talking heads about the way he approached his convention speech head on as he did in combat, but damn Kerry should have known folks such as this would come gunning for him, and for him not to hit back, head on surprises me. Kerry is the damn captain of his campaign. Cahill should not take all the blame for this...., LET US ALL ADMIT THAT KERRY HAD A BAD AUGUST. NOW IT IS SEPTEMBER AND TIME TO HIT BUSH HEAD ON. NOT ABOUT NAM, BUT THE DAMN WAR IN IRAQ AND BUSH BEING A MIS-LEADER. ANOTHER IS THE BIGGEST INCREASE IN MEDICARE HEALTH CARE. IF BUSH KNEW ABOUT THIS INCREASE ON THURSDAY NIGHT WHEN HE GAVE HIS SPEECH AND WAS SATISFIED WITH MEDICARE AND WITHHELD IT FROM THE PUBLICE, BUSH MID-LEAD AGAIN OR LIED. THIS COULD BE COME A BIG STORY IF KERRY WILL JUST SAY SOMETHING. ALL HIS SPOKESPEOPLE RAISE IT ON ALL THE NEWS PROGRAMS, TODAY, TONIGHT, TOMORROW. DAMMMIT, KERRY IF YOU GONNA BE A BEAR, BE A "DAMN GRIZZLEY"

[calimary]

60. But but but - we have to take the high road. We have to show we're

better than them. Our mice will win out over those rottweilers ANY day! That's because our mice have the truth on their side! The truth shall set you free. So that's all we need. Let's get Donna "the Mouse" Brazile back, 'eh? She gives 'em the old what-for. With her nice, even, measured tones and her never breaking a sweat and her politeness - she doesn't even squawk when they interrupt and trample all over her. But she's VERY good at saying "Thank you sir, may I have another?" So is Cahill.

WHEN are we going to have people who REALLY want to fight? WHEN?

The high road is the road to nowhere.

The high road is the road straight off the highest cliff.

[Arugula Latte]

37. I know. How deluded!

I mean, my god, I've never run a campaign in my life but even I know that Lesson #1 that Democrats should have learned by now is to fight fire with fire, pull no punches, and go for the jugular. Jesus F. Christ. Weren't Gore and Dukakis examples of this? Especially in these days of hostile right-wing media, these people should know better! Why didn't they? I do not f@#$ing get it.

[TheFarseer]

24. IMO Cahill looked gutless, weak and out of her league

this morning on Face the Nation or whatever it was. No wonder this campaign is struggling. Carville looks like a total badass by comparison and I don't really know most of the other names people are throwing around here, but they couldn't be worse. So round up all the badasses we have and let's get to work!

[gulfcoastliberal]

40. Agreed

She also looked very weak/nervous yesterday on Woodruff. Woodruss gave her several opportunities to rip into the * campaign and shoot down their smears, but instead she trotted out some shopworn cliches.

[Kahuna]

90. They always trot out some shopworn cliches. They must stay on

message you know. </sarcasm> While the repukes are throwing out red meat in the form of vicious lies and attacks, the lame Dems sit there politely waiting their turn to spew some lame talking point. Meanwhile, they never respond to the repuke slander so the repukes continue to lie. Right in their faces. ARGHHHHH! I give up. Honestly. I can guarantee you that no repuke would get away with the crap that our Dems let them get away with, if they had to debate me.

[Cha]

143. I don't even know what she looks like but

I Hate It when someone trots out "shopworn cliches"!

It's boring and it's Deadly~

We need Fire to Fight Fire with Fire! :grr: Speaking of cliches!

[Racenut20]

28. I have been furious with her for 4 months at least.

[Moderator]

29. The original article

In the future try to give a link to the original article that the press release is writing about.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5916073/site/newsweek

[bfusco]

30. lies and smears

I posted a thread a year ago when right wingers were accusing the Dems of being nasty and negative and claiming to take the high road and this was one of the responses.

"Big caution to the Dems----hopefully this time they are smarter
Every damn time the repukes do this and convince the Dems that the "American people won't stand for it". Every time the Dems start then toning down and doing what the repukes want. ANd every time, like Lucy with the football the goddamn repukes spread and hit filth on all our candidates. This time DON"T play their game---keep hitting them. In fact, let's start using outright words like Liar and Fraud---most of our guys still shy from going "that far". If they don't go "that far" this time, they won't knock off the asshole (remember they called Al a liar for nothing---and this bastard is a lot more than 'nothing')."
Satarpass

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=381948

[Tellurian]

33. Cahill doesn't have what it takes to win in a dog fight...

Kerry needs Carville BAD!

We can trust James to know where to stick the knives in..

Ya can't depend on a manager that hasn't survived a duel to the death to manage Kerry's campaign...

Pull out all the stops, and bring on attack dog CARVILLE..NOW!

[SharonAnn]

138. To Quote Carville from Clinton's '92 Campaign:

"The other guy can't attack you if your fist is always in his face."

"Enough of this pussyfooting around, taking the high road shit. I wanna see some bloody shivs, brusied knuckles and Republican bodybags three feet deep. I wanna see the Republicans cry for mercy and then not give them any. I wanna see their heads on pikes planted outside the proverbial city walls, with signs hanging on them that say "Liars. Thieves. Cowards."

[Robert Oak]

34. ugh, this is talking kerry relying on Dukakis campaign manager

Claims he has elbows...

seems to me the Bush machine ran over Dukasis with a tank and left
him 2 feet in the dirt.

hmmm...

[Tommy]

45. vietnam

 maybe if kerry could just tell of the nightmare of vietnam.
say asking god to not take his legs, or the color of a mans
brains in the sand or asking god to please give him time to
shot the co if he buys the farm. like kerry ever in his life
wants to think of what happened or what he saw,  or what he
did, or that it s always there just under that dark cover we
don t talk about or think of, but sometimes it comes up and
those bugs those republican creeps have no idea of what they
say. fools know nothing fools.

[EST]

72. Welcome, Sir!

Glad you're here.

[0007]

35. Good news, bad news take? This is good news, good news.

The good news John Kerry is coming to speak.

The good news John Kerry is pissed.

[I_Hug_Trees]

108. YEA! GO KERRY!!!

I am so glad he's angry! He's held his class to long! Time to unleash the "Scary Kerry" on all those dumb repubs have dubbed him.




*save a life--hug a tree*

[The Animator]

36. Move On needs to directly challenge the Swift Boat Liars.

It takes a 527 to defeat a 527, cause they can go negative without it directly affecting the Kerry Campaign.

I seem to remember a Top 10 Conservative Idiots list that did a little digging into the Swift Boat organization. From what I remember, they had strong ties to members of the Bush campain.

If Move On or another Pro-Kerry 527 were to launch ads attacking the Swift Boat Vets credibility, I think Kerry could get a bounce from that. Independants and swing voters will be mad at yet another Republican Lie.

People need to cry out BULLSHIT whenever they see it. It's about time somebody started calling people on it. I'm tired of members of the Democratic Party tapdancing around Bush's steaming crap, and calling it a rose garden. Very few have been brave enough to make the implication that our fearless turdblossom has been less than honest.

He did mis-speak, he didn't mis-underestimate the truth, HE LIED, and he's done it alot.


The bit about Uranium from Niger was a Lie.

Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, it was a Lie.

The link between Sadam and Al Queda was a Lie.

Proclaiming that Major Combat Operations in Iraq had ended was a Lie.

Claiming the tax cuts will help the poor and middle class was a Lie.

Claiming that the outsourcing of jobs is good for Amercia was a Lie.

Claiming that America and the World is safer under his "leadership" is a flat out, bold-faced, dogshit taco LIE!


It's about time somebody started calling it like it is.


That or we just need to get Kerry on the Letterman Show, with special guest host Arsenio Hall. Kerry whips out his guitar and starts jammin' with Paul Schaffer and the band. Bill makes a surprise appearance and backs him up on Sax.

[Edmond Dantes]

85. & WE need to emphasize Capt Frank Swift's boats in Camden, ME

http://www.sailmainecoast.com/pkhistory.html

This is not an advertisement, by the way. Just noticing the synchronicity and the opportunities it lends.

[gulfcoastliberal]

38. Where are all the Cahill apologists

who ripped those of us in GD2004 for daring to suggest she fucked-up?

She might remain manager in name, but she is DONE.

Good riddance!

[wtmusic]

54. Kerry didn't have to take her advice

Enough passing the blame.

[oldcoot]

86. Good Point

How long has Kerry been a U.S. Senator? He should surely know something about campaigning by this time.

[Kahuna]

91. Remember how the dedicated entire threads to poking fun and derision

at us??? Where are they?????

[Rose Siding]

39. Lots of this wouldn't be coming out if the campaign didn't want it to

Isn't that right? PR for a New Fighting Kerry? For example, the Vallely stuff and attributed quotes like this:

snip>
The return of the old warriors marked a turning point in the Swift Boat controversy, and a rare moment when Kerry stamped his authority on a drifting campaign. "OK, time to break out the fatigues. We've been there, done that. Time to do it again," says David Thorne, Kerry's close friend, of the mood among the senator's inner circle.
----------------

I guess the only risk is in the appearance of not having had the reigns firmly in hand previously, but since the Public isn't very into campaigns at this level of interest, that may not be a risk at all.

[BootinUp]

42. Kerry calling in more help is great news

I think this is a very good sign that Kerry has a good feel for the campaign good instincts. Go beat those bush bastards!

[Stevendsmith]

43. The Media Are Writing Kerry's Obituary

I can't begin to describe how furious I am.

Where was the death knell for Bush when he was 7 points down?

Cheney's office and the Pentagon are crawling with Israeli operatives. What if it were Clinton?

Iraq is a fucking disaster with no end in sight.

Kerry is running the most inept campaign I've ever seen.

FIRE MARY BETH FUCKING CAHILL!!!

MAYDAY! MAYDAY!

[aquart]

47. Israeli operatives?

And this is a threat to what, precisely?

I love the way some people will toss in a hit and run smear just anywhere.

Kinda like what BushCo did to our other ally, France.

[Artemis Bunyon]

48. You're kidding, right? eom

x

[Stevendsmith]

50. Sorry, I stepped away for a moment

Let me guess, you found my post anti-Semitic.

If that is the case, you are wrong.

Are you not aware of the invesigation into undersecretary of defense Douglas Feith's office?

[oldcoot]

77. It is not a smear

Not only is Israel probably spying on the United States but it appears that a high-ranking individual or individuals in the Pentagon decided to share classified information with Israel. Since the United States government has prosecuted individuals for spying for Israel in the past, it is safe to assume that the high-ranking individual or individuals broke the law and should be prosecuted. I would say the same thing if he/she/they were providing classified information to France or Germany.

Unfortunately, Bush believes personal responsibility is only for Democrats and the "little people" so it is unlikely that anyone will ever be prosecuted for this offense.

[Dhalgren]

115. That wasn't a smear,

it was the truth. When you tell an ugly truth, it isn't smearing, it's just an ugly truth...

[T Bone]

125. Yes Israeli Operatives in the DOD and Saudi Operatives in the BFEE

Get the FUCKING picture?

[Comicstripper]

44. Kerry Needs Joe Trippi

I know he's not everyone's favorite here, but he's a smart man.

[wtmusic]

55. He's a smart man who made himself rich on Dean's campaign $

No thanks.

[Kahuna]

92. Oh Puleeze. That's the last thing he needs.

nt

[Only Me]

49. Every campaign comes to a finish brutually, we always say we will fight

fair and while we are congratulating ourselves for being 'above' this
sort of thing and reminding ourselves the public 'sees' thru this sort of thing. We turn around and we got knives stinking in our backs and two black eyes. They public see's only what is put in front of them. Or we wouldn't have gotten shrub in the first place.
To me, it is critical that we appear strong, on every election, and we use every scrap of everything we have on them and keep it flowing. Our candidates shouldn't always be as viscious, but the party should be.
Last election, the one stole from us, I didn't say ..well it's over now, at least we fought nice. Nice is cold comfort when its over.
JMHO

[DavidMS]

59. I disagree...

Kerry should not directly attack the Bush as a person, but keep it on politcies that have hurt America.

He should leave the low blows to Moveon and other Progressive 527s, they can get out the saps and nuckledusters and do their worst while Kerry keeps his hands clean. And then when Kerry urges one to stop running an ad, the Org can claim that they are unable to because it would violate election laws (they would be taking orders from the kerry campain).

Kerry made a big mistake on his vote for the Iraq war. Its too late now but he could have said "At the Time I trusted President Bush, and he lied to us, Bush Claimed , and I beleived him. I didn't know that Bush would knowlingly lie." Or somthign like that.

I feel that a purge of anyone without a backbone from the campaign is a good thing. Wish it happened earlier.

[Only Me]

109. I don't agree Kerry should attack Bush personally either. When I say

we need not play 'nice' I don't mean attack 'him'as a human being. I mean attack his presidency and his failures. There is alot more than just Iraq to talk about. The dirtier aspects should be done by the party it self. When I say dirty, I don't even really mean dirty. I mean the "TRUTH" because in bush's case it has been better than a novel. He has done and said so much, it should have MADE our campaign. But we didn't keep the fire burning in the media.
The only place these things really get talked about are places like this. We already know how we will vote, it's the other half of America we needed to grasp a hold of. The way I see it, the media
needs news , Rove set the trap and we feel in. Kerry became the news. BUT...it could just have easily been 'bush and the Saudi House,' 'Iraq and the Media Block', or the Painted picture of 'Unstable President'...Payed but "AWOL" .. Bush and the Year he worked for "Bin Ladin Family" You get the general ideal.
I don't think it really has alot to do with Kerry voting for war in Iraq anymore..that's kind of old news. This siftboat issue could be old news too if we had more time...or...a bigger scandle hit the Bush team and stayed out there in front for a few more weeks.

[ajacobson]

51. Excuse Me?

This is an anonomous press release, consisting of items cribbed out of a longer article from Newsweek posted on MSNBC. Why is anyone spending any time on this? It's just crap.

[Artemis Bunyon]

52. Here here. The less time spent on this the better (eom)

x

[Chomskyite]

57. I am mighty skeptical about this article

. . . especially coming on the heels of Newsweek's rigged poll.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

58. Brazille...now, Cahill. Maybe women are not the best at "fighting dirty"

Brazille made the SAME mistake during the Gore 2000 campaign. Any campaign advisor or staffer that is DELUDED in thinking that you don't need to answer baseless accusations by the Repukes should be FIRED on the spot.

GODDAMN IT. QUIT BEING WIMPS AND KICK THESE REPUKE SCUMBAG ASSES! IT'S TIME TO RETURN SMEAR FOR SMEAR...NONE OF THIS "RISE ABOVE IT" BULLSHIT.

JB

[kodi]

61. jesus, that's what my 67 year old mom said to me this morning

she mentioned estritch with dukakis in '88 and brazile with gore in 2000 and told me that she felt that to beat bush this time will call for some really nasty and filthy work to be done and isn't impressed with cahill's ability to get down and dirty. she wants carville

i asked her if that meant she would not vote for a woman president. she said that wasn't the point, that a female presidential candidate or president could always have the menfolk do the dirty work, but wanted a real son of a bitch to attack bush.

this from a lifelong liberal and herself a pioneering female in federal law enforcement.

it was a shock

i would vote for my mom for president in a minute.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

66. my point was that women might be too decent to engage in dirty smears

In order to beat Bush we have to COMPLETELY destroy his veil as a decent born-again Christian who's making the U.S. safer. To do this, we will need to revive the ABORTION allegations, drag up his COCAINE abusing past, re-investigate his SHADY BUSINESS deals, and expose every other HYPOCRACY he and his evil brood have perpetuated.

Women (in general) dislike such tactics (and rightly so) and it is (typically) not their first inclination to personally destroy a person.

JB

[kodi]

71. that's the point my mom made, but hearing that sexism from my mom?

mom raised this pup to be a bit more rational, but her being a woman, she knows them better than me.

[Karenina]

76. Would you be so kind

to pass on a big kiss on the cheek and :hug: to your Mom from some stranger across the big pond in cyberspace? I'd appreciate it mightily.

[Dhalgren]

117. Yeah, and another one from me!

I'd like to vote for, too! :)

[gulfcoastliberal]

99. Visited my mom today...

she's simply astonished that the campaign has taken such a weak tack. We look weak, people. We let them dictate the terms to us and comply yet they always do whatever they want. Our country is fucked if these people consolidate their power. My dad emigrated from Poland during the 30s and several family members die in the holocaust. My stepdad grew up during WWII in England. Both agree that we are experiencing nascent fascism a la 1930s Germany. Hitler played up to the industrial robber barons, breaking unions and stripping worker rights, etc. Hitler also took away civil rights. Hitler called anyone who questioned the Nazi's unpatriotic and a traitor. This is fucking serious - not time for mr. nice guy.

[jdj]

70. Maybe we need some teenage head cheerleader prom queen bitch.

Because as I remember, these girls RELISH "fighting dirty" or at least the ones in my high school did.

Since most high-level repukes are a little nelly, these girls are who they model themselves after anyway, so we need to bring out some bitchy bitches too.

[oldcoot]

79. Gender has nothing to do with it

Cahill and Brazille both made the mistake of thinking that the American people were more educated then they really are. Too many Americans get all of their information from the television and tend to believe everything they see on the television. A man could have easily made the same mistake.

I agree that Kerry needs new advisers. However, we should not assume that someone will not do a good job of thrashing Republicans simply because of that person's sex.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

84. Good point. It's sad to see how dumb we have become as a nation.

n/t

[kath]

100. Yeppers, the Moron-Americans are a VERY large voting bloc.

Sad but true.

[vetwife]

118. Disagree..depends on the woman..I am a fighter ! And a dirty one

I will rip one to shreds before they even know it. I don't like this about me but I know who I am and so does most of everyone else on this board. I would have held a press conference the minute, the minute that first ad came out and in 10 minutes flat Where were you in 72 would have been running Nationwide ! Iwould have had all the surrogate on message adn themedia would be talking allright but about Kerry vs. Bush's swift boat ads. They would be trying to connect the dots because we would have made it an issue in 48 hours. Nope..Response from me would have been swift allright. Swiftly addressed and swiftly counterattacked !

[Edmond Dantes]

83. Where's Beatrix Kiddo when you need her?

Call in the samurai campaign managers! Let the heads roll! I want to see metaphorical Gore -- and lots of it!

[kayell]

107. Hmm, Nixon, Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2. Maybe MEN are not best at being

President.

What an incredibly silly generalization. :eyes:

[BiggJawn]

128. Explain Hughes and Harris, then....

ReTHUG women seem to have no problem with fighting dirty.

Mary Beth is always sending out those "Rah-Rah! click here to see the latest ad" Emails.

I'm glad I have a chance to see the ads via link, SINCE I LIVE IN FUCKING INDIANA AND YOU'VE FORSAKEN US FOR THE "UNDECIDEDS" IN OHIO AND MICHIGAN!!!

I'll bet we won't even get a vist from either of the Two Johns...

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

141. Have you seen Hughes, Harris, Matlin, and/or Buchanan lately?? Women???

It might be debatable calling these manly, dogfaced, ratbastard ladies - "women".

JB

[monobrau]

63. Let's see what he's made of

I'm in the anybody but Bush crowd (I supported Dean), but this is where Kerry can show me and some of the other doubters what he's got. I'll be a hell of a lot more enthusiastic about him if he rips those slimy bastards to shreds, because he's going to be dealing with 8 years of it if he wins.
And I don't want to hear bullshit and innuendo coming from our camp, because it's not needed and we will lose. We're up against people who have committed provable criminal offenses against our country, and I don't want to just win the presidency back, I want to see justice.
If he won't stand up for himself, he's not going to do a good job standing up for us.

[candy331]

113. My sentiments exactly, I want to see blood drawn by Kerry at

this point.

[Cookie wookie]

64. The press is leading the pack for Kerry to

become an attack dog, as they led the pack in giving all the air time to the lying swift boat vets group.

If Kerry and the Dems start looking like the repubs, then game's over. The whole point is that Kerry and Edwards are NOT like them. The reason the public bought the swift boat stuff is because the media, not the Kerry campaign.

If the Dems start mud slinging, the Am people will just tune it all out and say, that's politics folks.

Any time any of us gives any credence to what the media is spinning, we get into shark infested waters. We all need to slam the media as hard as we can (which it seems the folks here at DU are masters at doing!!)

Call it what it is. Why should Kerry and Edwards be reduced to the lowest common denominator just because the republicans are there? Why do tens of thousands of people come out in heat and stand waiting for Kerry and Edwards, because they think they are different from the repubs.

[wildflower]

68. I think they can do both; call it tough truth-slinging. And the key

is that whatever is said or done, the democrats must do it *first*.

What is reported first is what people remember. So Bush may have ten flip-flops to Kerry's one, but the public remembers what was said first and still thinks "Kerry's a flip-flopper."

Another example is when that report came out claiming that the country was safer now. Everyone noted and remembered that. The retraction--showing that months of data failed to be taken into account--was mentioned, but many people didn't notice.

I am all for Kerry's campaign going after Bush with everything they've got, and they don't have to lie to do it.

But, IMO, one thing they must do first is to go after the frothing, unchecked sexism, racism, ridicule, and everything else that was on display at the RNC last week. Be the first to declare who is out of control, and drive it home. (An aside: after that spectacle last week I just can't believe anyone would be voting R.)

Once it is in voters' minds how out of control these people are, including the raving conservative radio and TV icons, then and only then can Kerry's team go on the attack, armed with the truth, and not be painted as crazy.

Maybe it's too late for this, but I hope not; it should have been done long ago, IMO. It's what many of you have been saying: offense vs. defense. The latter allows Kerry to be defined by the opponent and to be forced to play by their rules.

-wildflower

P.S. That said, I agree, the most important thing we can do now, no matter what happens, is to get out the vote!

---------------
All around the table, the white-haired men have gathered
Spilling their sons' blood like table wine

-Emily Saliers (Indigo Girls), "Everything in Its Own Time"

[Upfront]

67. My Choice Was Dean

But of course I wanted to win. Oh ya, right ABBB!

[nolabels]

74. My choice was Dean also.

But also having served and seeing how outrageous these bottom dwelling scum suckers are, I think the correct man has been chosen for the job.

My blood boils for these AWOL, draft dodging chicken Hawks. Taking it to the next level should not have to be an option, I am trusting with John Kerry it will not have to be.

Once they train you how to be a soldier, it never stops

[hansolsen]

75. Cahill on Sunday shows seemed weak and defensive. She is no general

We need a campaign manager who is armed and dangerous, and mad as hell. No more school marms. This is trench warfare.

[demgrrrll]

80. I saw her this morning, she reminds me of Aunt Bea. Well, Andy

Bush lied about us, he's a bad man. Instead of a fighter we have Aunt Bea. Today was the first time I heard her represent the Kerry campaign. Not impressed.

[hansolsen]

93. Yup. Aunt Bea nails it. N/T

[Doosh]

101. don't worry

I think Kerry has already made the changes behind the scene, Sasso is now running the show

[barb162]

96. gloves off!

[Tight_rope]

126. That's right...she paying too damn nice wit Bush* sorry ass!

[Edmond Dantes]

82. this is just a simple misunderstanding...

The "Swift" is Captain Frank Swift of Camden, Maine and the "Boats" are the schooners with which he established the Maine Windjammer Cruises.

http://www.sailmainecoast.com/pkhistory.html

Too much time in Kennebunkport, ME (while drunk driving) causes some people to hallucinate -- to confuse fantasy and reality. The Worst President Ever (and his trusty leech, Karly-Man Rove) had better come up with something a bit more original before the rest of the country catches on that this whole "Swift Boat" thing is merely a red herring masquerading as a lobster roll...

In other words, it's Kennebunkport "bunk" from Kenny Boy's port-guzzling buddy.

Drunk Drivers for Bush!

[Disturbed]

97. Karen Hughs not Rove

is rumored to be behind the SB Liers. She is a pathological, zealot and nothing is beneath her. Saying that a woman can't be viscious and downright base is incorrect. Other examples, Ann Thrax, Laura Ingram.
The Repubs have a 10 yr. old mentality. Those Purple Heart bandaids are the prime example of that.

Let's get real! J. Kerry screwed up royaly with his statement that if he knew then what he knows now, blah blah. No one with average IQ or above is falling for the line that Kerry thought that W would not rush into Iraq. Anyone that has been in politics more than a week would know that the Neo Fascists were Hell bent upon taking over Iraq. How can Kerry get out of the hole that that he dug? In my view, only Carvel can dig Kerry out of it.

[Edmond Dantes]

136. Thanks for the correction re Hughes v. Rove.

Perhaps it's time for us to show Karen Hughes that we also know how to play hardball. Where is her family geographically located these days? Methinks her kids need to be enlightened as to what an evil lying bitch their mother is.

[PATRICK]

98. One mistake down

I hope learning the hard way, as valuable as it is in the long run, does not happen too often in the next two months.

Thinking a high road campaign on the DNC bended knee to 2% swing voters and the disaffected GOP was going to finally ooze over the Bush disaster should never have dominated the Kerry campaign. What didn't work in a state where someone has known and hears you quickly is sufficient in a high profile Presidential campaign where the press has the people demanding from the outset that OUR guy has to be spotless white knight and then getting turned off by the mud slung on the armor.

Bush timed it beautifully and ugly. It only began to turn against him shortly before the Convention. His clinging to it despite proof of his involvement showed what anyone could have guessed at. That quieting down Iraq(a despicable political interference in a military situation that is so unprovable as not to be even brought up as a suspicion), all other topics except Bush campaign and Kerry's war record, meant Bush's infamous and obvious two track momentum scrambled into NYC bowed a bit but unharmed.

The controversy dissolved in the positive focus of the short term memory media. So while the down driven polls festered nicely all the positive poll pumping began, with new, mean, soft topic memes against Kerry kept the down drive alive. Simple if unopposed. If opposed, not as easy to defeat as one would expect not given the sorry media state.

NOW will Kerry pay attention to the real Bush? Enough of this bold brave Dem whistling down GOP dark alleys with cash dripping out of his pockets. He knows karate! Bang. He's dead. Ignorance is Bush's great asset when unopposed.

They had better start being more aggressive about vote fraud. Half the country at least, including Bush supporters, know what is going to happen. I am not sure the fabled Dem political advisers do. Playing chess while Bush is free to play checkers will drag Kerry down. The October surprise is an imponderable, but it should not come as a surprise. Half the country is expecting that too, even to the point of Bush preparing us for terror come November. With the Russian school incident and incidents at all other Islamic nation elections, they barely need to prime that pump any more. So who is taking the aggressive moves to be prepared? Florida advises its GOP to use paper ballots, freeing them from machine "glitches" and giving them a pretext of a GOP majority in the absentee ballots.

In the ad controversy Bush left for NYC pre-empting the discussion by an unbelievably offbeat attack on ALL 527's and other smoke. He is prepared. He reacts. Which makes 9/11 stink all the more in my book, but no one is paying attention. Which is the point.

The highest priorities must not blind the DNC and Kerry campaign from mortal attacks. What choice do they think Bush has or do they seriously think this bunch trusts the fair judgment of the people, some cogent economic arguments and Bush's "success" as a military commander to match Kerry?

In the best of worlds these gutless chickenhawk wonders must cheat, must appeal to the temporary ill will and worst nature of the American people- because that is the Bushco nature, because it works enough, because it creates an extra gameboard where the Dems hate to go, because it feels so darn good. Bush wanted a mandate. He still does, but fighting for survival will hardly dampen the fraud.

Do it all. GOTV. Registration. Lunge into the disaffected ABB. Show the American people what Kerry is. Hammer the issues(another sore point with me since "issues" are absolutely meaningless in Bush campaign jargon, yet the swing voters and the media mercilessly hold the Dems to trivial account while Kerry is kneecapped by dirt). But consider that the attack, the brutal deadly attack is going to come via "other means". The mirage of things working out like they never have before. The slime burying the Kerry image. The GAMING of the debates toward Bush(no chance for too many comebacks there!).

Oh yeah, the debates. Although the primaries have steeled Kerry for the awesomely bad moderators he now will have to face without protest(way to go stupid DNC!) he is a sucker to believe that substance and rhetorical skill and practice debates(that the GOP has successfully spied on since Carter caught on) will match what Bush is planning.

Is Bush planning to become a rhetorical genius with a sparkling record and brilliant believable new plans for the future? Do they think that Bush being desperate in the polls will make him play more fair?

Time to get real with the horribly unreal BFEE.

[Edmond Dantes]

137. Never were truer words spoken....

>>>>In the best of worlds these gutless chickenhawk wonders must cheat, must appeal to the temporary ill will and worst nature of the American people- because that is the Bushco nature, because it works enough, because it creates an extra gameboard where the Dems hate to go, because it feels so darn good. Bush wanted a mandate. He still does, but fighting for survival will hardly dampen the fraud.

Personally, I see no point in our cannibalizing Cahill and undermining her self-confidence. If we see an area of weakness. let's all pull together and compensate for it.

Everyone, do you what you can. The fight is not Cahill's to win or lose. It is ours!

Standby to launch photon torpedoes......

(And be sure to keep your sense of humor, because you're going to need it.)

[lovuian]

102. I hate to say it But Democrats are Wimps this is an example

Kerry's People are perpetuating the Mythh

Kerry needs to attack Bush on the Iraq War and he's not doing it
WHY???


Why is it that the Democrats always seem like they won't fight back and this is How the Republicans just always

Win cause they will fight Lie cheat whatever it takes to Win

This is for the Presidency of the US and Democracy which was stolen from us

I have to wonder if Dennis Kucinich or Howard Dean were in Kerry's shoes would they have fought back fiercely

McAucliffe has seen the lost of 2000 election or stealing of it
if we loose 2004 I would hope democrats kick his butt out

[goforit]

112. Somehow I wonder if Kerry actually planned this flop!!!!

[eridani]

133. Kucinich sure the hell would have fought!

You don't have to lie about your opponents to fight back. Dennis does issues and facts, not personal slams. I don't think he would let lies directed against him stand for even an hour--a very different thing. Instead of calling Bush a liar, he always repeated as often as possible "The Iraq war was based on lies."

[Shibumi]

110. I'm depressed...

We are so efff'd I feel like a *, why didn't I vote for Dean

[vetwife]

119. Why? The fun is just beginning....We will take it !

[Raster]

111. Low post count. No profile. Posts something negative and POOF! Gone.

Lee Atwater rule number two:

2) Throw little benign-appearing negative nuggests into the mix and just stand back.

[The Animator]

114. I think Kerry should appoint Joe Pesci to run his campaign.

A short, pissed off, New Yorker is just what this campaign needs.

[vetwife]

120. Shoot I think he should appoint me....I'd stand toe to toe with Rove !

And then I would stomp it !

[vetwife]

124. One Sunday before the primaries the Campaign did call me to go

to Iowa on behalf of vets for Kerry and My Mom dying and then died and I was not doing well. That would have been a good in had I picked up my ticket and went. At the time I was all over the place. For Kerry, Dean and Clark.

[Tight_rope]

122. Hell YEAH...you go Kerry...No more Mr. Nice guy....kick some ass!

[Sheldon Rowan]

123. Is Carville on board?

I really think that Clinton went downhill after Carville left. Don't know the details at all.

You wonder how someone married to Matalin can be any good, though.

[Doosh]

127. damn right

[Kool Kitty]

131. Clinton went downhill after Carville left?

You mean the Clinton that won two Presidential elections?

[Carolab]

129. Carville on Meet The Press today

Battling wife Mary Matalin, republican strategist. James said he spent all last night on the phone with Clinton. I think he's coming on board--just like the good 'ole days when he and Mary were on opposite sides--strange bedfellows, for sure, but no one's smarter or tougher than James--certainly not Mrs. Carville.

[vetwife]

130. She hits me as a whiner and has this woman ever smiled?

[Cha]

142. Too Ironic! I remember reading on du..

not too long ago that James and mary were on some cable show and the interviewer asked James if he were going to help with the Kerry campaign and mary said.."you're not going to get into that mess"!

Ha! How times have changed! Is is Country before marriage?

[ArnoldLayne]

132. Bush's odd relationship with his BUTT BUDDY from Yale Victor Ashe needs

to be looked into by one of these surrogate groups but Kerry doesn't need to appear like he approves of it just let the story run its course. Also him supposedly forcing his young lady friend Robin to get an ABORTION in the early 1970's when it was illegal. So in essence who is the real "Baby Killer" now. I wonder what the extreme Pro-Lifers would think of those apples if they found out about those "alleged rumors" that have been going around for the past 20 years in some circles. But Kerry should say I don't know anything that but maybe it should looked into what a major flip flop that would be for Bush to explain. Remember hit them on their strengths. :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[rsmith6621]

134. 5...4..3..2..1..

How many days now that Carville is on board will it be before we see a meaner leaner Kerry/Edward.........Ill bet Wendsday all hell break lose on the campaign and Shrubya will be on his way to being TOAST............

Anyone agree

[farmboxer]

135. James Carville

Where is James Carville! Hire James Carville! Carville worked for Pres. Clinton, did a fantastic job. He knows who to counter those rats!

[SharonAnn]

140. Carville, form Clinton's '92 Campaign:

"The other guy can't attack you if your fist is always in his face."

"Enough of this pussyfooting around, taking the high road shit. I wanna see some bloody shivs, brusied knuckles and Republican bodybags three feet deep. I wanna see the Republicans cry for mercy and then not give them any. I wanna see their heads on pikes planted outside the proverbial city walls, with signs hanging on them that say "Liars. Thieves. Cowards."

[pkanalyst]

145. 1st post so you can take it for what it's worth, but

the news networks keep on saying that the Democrats are panicking. Bush supporters went through plenty of free ad time against Bush during the Democratic primaries and the F/911 release and privately panicked while his approval ratings dropped like a rock. I could practically picture John Gibson running to the restroom to do shots to manage his obvious anxiety during commercial breaks from The BIIIIG Story.

Throughout all of this, Bush never looked rattled and didn't turn into an attack dog. He bided his time and let the surrogates take care of him; then made his big move last week.

The point is, while the media keeps on harping about an overhyped poll and panicking Democrats who are calling for John Kerry to turn into Zell Miller; Dick Gephardt has been on CNN and Fox News doing a beautiful job of nailing Bush as a MAJOR FAILURE in every regard. Kerry has been on the stump not only dealing with hecklers; but returning fire; making the Bushies look like idiots.

That stupid poll will give Kerry supporters a lot to be encouraged about when a more accurate poll comes out. The BIIIIIIIIIIG Story will really be "What happenned to that Bush bounce?"