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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:24 PM
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Nearly Half of Americans Wouldn't Vote for Bush Again
Newsweek poll has 49% of those polled would not vote to re-elect him vs 44% who would.

YEEHAW!!!!!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1520&ncid=1520&e=3&u=/afp/20030823/pl_afp/us_iraq_bush_poll_030823220833
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:26 PM
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1. And we have only just begun!
:kick:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:27 PM
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2. Only goes to prove that 44% of Americans are complete idiots n/t
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:29 PM
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3. I don't believe this shit
That's the same number that (almost) got him elected last time.

With the blundering he's done, his numbers HAVE to be lower than that.
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:29 PM
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4. I'd really like to see a simple two question poll
1) Did you vote for Bush in the last election?
2) If yes, would you vote for him again in the next election?

Granted, things can and will change between now and the election but I think that the results of such a poll might prove interesting.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:35 PM
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5. Bush is toast....
if we get out the vote!
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:36 PM
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6. let's not get too cocky
another terrorist attack on the US or the well timed death of Ronnie Reagan could turn this whole thing around.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:59 PM
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13. Another attack....
and bush will be said to be the
one who caused it by not funding
better protection at home and
by causing more hatred of us for
going into Iraq.
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:07 PM
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17. totally agree
he would be held responsible for another attack- and he should be -$5 billion a month in Iraq and diddly for the first responders here
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:42 PM
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29. Another terrorist attack n the US...
would crush bush. He has far too much mileage off of his Homeland Security crud already....all it would do is prove it doesn't work. Another failed bush enterprise.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:39 PM
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27. KEY WORDS...
get out the vote!

No time for complacency, talk to everyone you meet. Let them know how important this vote will be.

:bounce:
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:44 PM
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30. As Mr. WR Pitt has phrased it
We the People, that means you! Get the vote out. If I may take a thought from Al Sharpton, spank that donkeys ass till it kicks. That is our job.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:39 PM
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7. A Mile Wide - InchThick to Inch Wide???
I think we all knew the manchild's popularity was a phantom and only the use of fear was the only thing to bump up Smirky's ratings.

Of all the people I know who voted against Dubya in 2000, there's not a single one who would vote for him in '04 (most are chomping to get to the polls and hopefully oust this oxygen thief. And I also know a bunch of people who voted for him...like the guy across the way who still hasn't found a job in nearly two years and the old couple next door who saw their retirement savings go pfffft...who are looking around or just may stay at home next November.

This regime is getting very over-extended...there's a lot of fires they have going and the patience of the public and eventually the media is growing short. If I were a Dem. Candidate right now I'd start asking the Raygunesque question "Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago"...then stand back!

RoveCo. is cranking in all this big money now for a reason...they know that they're going to have to spend every penny of it.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:41 PM
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8. That's close enough to steal.
Too close. We not only have to win, we have to win by a landslide. I sure hope we can all come together behind our candidate, whoever it is, when it matters.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:46 PM
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10. That's right, demobrat..... we won last time...
but the little bastard store it.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 10:12 PM
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37. You're right, Demobrat
Landslide. We have to take out Whistle Ass and all his repug friends who are running for Congress. A true sweep.
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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:46 PM
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9. Make sure we all rate this a "5"...
to keep this with the top stories.

:dem:



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:16 PM
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20. Done! I've been forgetting to "rate" so thanks for the reminder!
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 09:25 PM
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36. Kinda lame but I rate all the other top stories a '1'
to push the * ratings article to the top
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:53 PM
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11. People are getting tired of him.....
this is good news. Wouldn't it be nice
to see his numbers break records for
being the most unpopular pResident ever?
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:54 PM
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12. What I find interesting is that Bush's reelect is 44 percent
while his approval is 53 percent. This gap is found in other polls as well. I remember a guy from Gallup saying this is unusual, that Reagan and Clinton's reelect numbers were about the same as their approval rating. BTW, I think it's worth noting that Bush's ratings are dropping while he's on vacation and the criticism of him has quieted somewhat. So the relegation of Nigergate to the back burner hasn't helped Bush at all.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:02 PM
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15. Time to drag out Saddam! nt
nt
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:41 PM
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28. Chemical Ali din't do it for them
I have been hearing the Hawks at work say the WMD don't matter. Regeime change is important, it is the big picture, the world is safer now. But they are becoming concerned that Hussein has not been found. I think they may be saving this till Sept/ Oct '04. I can't think of any other rabbits to pull out of their hats. The other figures in the deck of cards are not raising their poll numbers. They need the CA gov. job and they need Hussein.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:01 PM
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14. Day by day, voter by voter, Whistle Ass Bush continues to demonstrate
that everything he touches turns to shit. A fecal Midas Touch.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:11 PM
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18. 44% of those who "voted for him"
read between the lines, these are voters who voted for him in the past, that does not mean "registered" voters while the other questions state "registered" voters. That leads me to believe that his approval ratings and his reelect #'s are lower. However 57% like his handling of terrorism, only makes me think that a run by Wesley Clark will draw voters away from * handling of national security and terrorism, whether Clark becomes the nominee he will be a voice in the Democratic race that resonates with the voters that the Dems are not weak in this issue.
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:12 PM
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19. I suppose it could be called a Merde's touch......
:evilgrin:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:19 PM
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23. Good one! karl!
:-)
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:44 PM
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31. ROFLMAO!!!!
n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:18 PM
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22. I was running this morning by right next to a soccer game and
one of the coaches blew a whistle and I thought Sally Barron
..so I think it is very much going to catch on if you know what I mean!
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ILeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 08:53 PM
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34. His handlers thought the "Dubya Curse" was just a myth. Ha!
George the Pestilent is going to take them right down with the rest of us. At least it will be their undoing, too.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:07 PM
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16. thank goodness 49% were at least educable.
I presume these were 49% of those that did vote for him.
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QuietStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:18 PM
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21. Well that is nice. Now I guess the next wager is...

Will the Bushmob steal the election again or on the slight chance he might should SOMEONE ANYONE begin impeachment proceedings. YAH -- like pissing in the wind THAT suggestion. What else does he have to do be ousted ASSASSINATE A PROMINENT WORLD FIGURE? Call for a change in national ensignia's which might be most obviously harrowing?

wow I HAVE sunk back into cynicism.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:22 PM
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24. Its finally happen the PAIN is sinking in!
And Americans if ya don't get off your Butts

and get him out of office

The Pain will get even worse!
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:49 PM
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25. Take a look at the picture that goes with the article!
Edited on Sat Aug-23-03 06:52 PM by hedda_foil
Edited to fix photo url.

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:47 PM
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32. Looks like he has to take one heck of a dump...
guess Pickles will be cleaning out he iron drawers tonight.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 11:57 PM
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43. Or trying to whistle out of his ass
nt
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Dagaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:53 PM
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26. Two ways to take this
1. Good - 50% will vote for ANYONE else

2. Bad - 50% WANT somebody else but they have different opinions of who that else should be. If they don't like the Dem then case some could hold their nose and vote for Bush or stay home.

I'd like to hear Zogby (not some spin show) explain what this means.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 09:13 PM
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35. That's true
the 49 percent for a generic Dem would probably drop (at least now) if the pollster substituted one of the current Dem candidates. But at least Bush IS vulnerable.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 08:32 PM
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33. Time to Get Out The Vote - GOTV!
Go here: http://www.vote-smart.org/voter_registration_resources.php

Download a voter registration form (they have them for every state), make copies, and give them out to folks you meet in the day. Your supermarket checkout person, your bank teller (cut back on ATM use 'till election day), the guy/gal who takes your money at the gas station (no paying at the pump 'till election day). And, of course, tell 'em to register and vote Democratic!.

If each day every DUer got one person (on average) to register who isn't registered now and 75% of those folks voted Democratic, this would result in a net gain of (75%-25%)x30,000x439 days = 6.58 MILLION DEMOCRATIC VOTERS.

Al Gore won the 2000 election by just 500,000 votes. 'Nuff said?
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shockandawed Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 10:17 PM
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38. THIS AINT NEWS - MORE THAN HALF VOTED AGAINST HIM LAST TIME
If anything, the title suggests we have lost ground since the election.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 10:21 PM
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39. Take the online poll - I think freepers have given up
Edited on Sat Aug-23-03 10:26 PM by elbayl
http://www.msnbc.com/news/956235.asp

Take the related online poll. Once you take it your are sent back to the site where you can read the online results right in the survey. The numbers are staggeringly against * and dwarf the actual poll.

I believe the Freepers have given up. They don't seem to be freeping online polls anymore.

Another indication is my repuke brother-in-law. Let me explain. I see him about once a month and prior to the 2000 selection and into 2002 he talked up * pretty well even though I nailed him on most of his lame arguements. Last couple of months, though, he doesn't even mention *. I think he personally has given up on Shrub but would never admit that out loud.




5131 web site responses


The poll was taken August 22-23, 2003 and had a +/- 3 percent margin of error. 1. Do you approve of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?
online Newsweek
Yes 21% 53%
No 77% 36%
Don't know 2% 11%

2. How confident are you that the United States will successfully establish a stable, democratic form of government in Iraq over the long term?
online Newsweek
Very confident 11% 54%
Somewhat confident 9% 40%
Not too confident 15% 6%
Not at all confident 64% undefined%
Don't know 1% undefined%

3. How well do you think U.S. efforts to establish security and rebuild Iraq have gone since major combat ended on May 1?
online Newsweek
Very well 7% 18%
Somewhat well 11% 37%
Not too well 16% 21%
Not at all well 66% 19%
Don't know 0% 5%

. From what you know now, do think the United States did the right thing in taking military action against Iraq last March?
online Newsweek
Yes, the United States did the right thing 23% 61%
No, it did not do the right thing 73% 33%
Don't know 3% 6%

5. For how much longer would you support keeping large numbers of U.S. military personnel in Iraq to help establish security and rebuild the country?
online Newsweek
Less than one year 26% 28%
One to two years 15% 28%
Three to five years 11% 19%
Six to 10 years 4% 3%
More than 10 years? 4% 11.5%
No longer--bring them home now 36% 7%
Don't know 3% undefined%

6. Do you support this current level of U.S. spending (about $1 billion a week) to establish security in Iraq and rebuild the country?
online Newsweek
Yes, I support current spending levels 22% 34%
No, the U.S. should reduce spending and scale back 74% 60%
Don't know 4% 6%




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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 10:38 PM
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40. I don't understand what the two numbers are
The MSNBC site says the 2nd number is the "national poll, not including my response".
What is the first number?
You know, these things really are a waste of time. Time better spent getting out and registering Democrats to vote next year.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 10:47 PM
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41. first number is the online poll results
yes a waste of time but in the hey day of "enormously high approval ratings president" we would see any online poll freeped completely out of whack. Now in the days of "lowering approval ratings president" the online polls are being anti-freeped. Indicative of the freepers giving up and the DU types gaining strength.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 11:04 PM
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42. 2004 election
We have so many jobs to do. We need to be sure noone is not allowed to vote. We need to get the people registered, especially in Florida. We need to make the polling machines a number 1 priority. The repugs are cheats and thieves. Al Gore received more popular votes than anyone (except Reagan's #2 term), and he still lost because these Bushies are ruthless. They have no compunction about cheating; they are actually quite blatant about it.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 12:18 AM
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44. Only 18% of the eligible voters voted for Bush.
These polls talk to everyone. Only 36% of the eligible voters bothered to reigster and show up in 2000. Even less in 2002. So actually these polls don't reflect what could happen. And just wait until Bush gets off his vacation and starts pulling stunts. Should bed interesting though having the convention in NY and NY suing the white house for lying about the air pollution!
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