Card Says Bush Sees U.S. as a Child Needing a Parent

[takumi]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/02/card_says_bush_sees_us_as_a_child_needing_a_parent?mode=PF

[Gman]

1. Just what we need, a drunken, alcoholic, abusive

parent that disappears for days and tries to keep everyone on edge with fear.

Where's Child Protective Services when we need them??

[liberalnurse]

3. Oh God....but that is sooooo true.

[TahitiNut]

69. "Paternalism" (a definition)

Paternalism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Paternalism refers to a policy that prevents others from doing harm to themselves or a belief in such policies. For example, someone would be practicing a paternalistic philosophy by forcibly restraining another person from committing suicide, from doing drugs, or from committing any action considered harmful by the paternalist. A paternalist, then, by definition, believes that she knows more than the person she is trying to prevent from harming himself. The paternalist destroys the freedom of choice of the person "harming" himself in exchange for his well-being.

Governments are often faced with the choice of adopting various kinds of paternalistic legislation. Among the most controversial of these issues are gay marriage and sodomy laws, abortion, gun control, policies such as curfews that are at odds with the youth rights movement, and the legal status of cannabis. Among the most famous examples of a massive failure of paternalism was the era of Prohibition in the United States.

Opponents of paternalism, such as John Stuart Mill, claim that liberty supersedes safety in terms of actions that only affect oneself. Advocates of paternal often believe that they possess some sort of "higher" knowledge than those they seek to limit, such as a religious, ethical, or philosophical doctrine, and will argue that while it is not moral to deprive someone of their liberty in a general situation, it is correct in their specific instance.

<snip>

---

How many people could possibly believe that Junior McFascist knows better than they do?
We're through the looking glass, Alice.

---

Paternalism
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

Paternalism is the interference of a state or an individual with another person, against their will, and justified by a claim that the person interfered with will be better off or protected from harm. The issue of paternalism arises with respect to restrictions by the law such as anti-drug legislation, the compulsory wearing of seatbelts, and in medical contexts by the withholding of relevant information concerning a patient's condition by physicians. At the theoretical level it raises questions of how person's should be treated when they are less than fully rational.

<snip>

Moral vs. welfare paternalism

The usual justification for paternalism refers to the interests of the person being interfered with. These interests are defined in terms of the things that make a person's life go better; in particular their physical and psychological condition. It is things like death or misery or painful emotional states which are in question. Sometimes, however, advocates of state intervention seek to protect the moral welfare of the person. So, for example, it may be argued that prostitutes are better off being prevented from plying their trade even if they make a decent living and their health is protected against disease. They are better off because it is morally corrupting to sell one's sexual services. The interference is justified, therefore, to promote the moral well-being of the person. This then can be called moral paternalism.

Finally, it is important to distinguish paternalism, whether welfare or moral, from other ideas used to justify interference with persons; even cases where the interference is not justified in terms of protecting or promoting the interests of others. In particular moral paternalism should be distinguished from legal moralism, i.e. the idea that certain ways of acting are morally wrong or degrading and may be prohibited. So, for example, the barroom “sport” of dwarf tossing (where dwarfs who are paid, and are protected with helmets, etc. participate in contests to see who can throw them furthest) might be thought to be legitimately prohibited. Not because the dwarf is injured in any way, not because the dwarf corrupts himself by agreeing to participate in such activities, but simply because the activity is morally degrading and wrong.

To be sure it is not always easy to distinguish between legal moralism and moral paternalism. If one believes, as Plato does, that acting wrongly damages the soul of the agent, then it will be possible to invoke moral paternalism rather than legal moralism. What is important is that there are two distinct justifications that are possible; one appealing to the mere immorality of the conduct interfered with, the other to the harm done to the agent's character.

<snip>

[Zorra]

93. Awesome post. We need "Big Daddy" like we need "Big Brother".

If Bu$h were my father I'd turn him in to social services.

He's a killer.

[TahitiNut]

96. (Thank you.) After all, who can forget the "FATHERland"?

Paternalism infested the Hitler and Mussolini regimes. The "kissing a baby" photo-op plays on paternalistic memes. (Who can forget the hundreds of photos of ol' Adolph with chidren?) The idea of Father-State and Mother-Church is as old as civilization - and always at the core of the most wretched abuses and crimes against humanity. Stalin was "Uncle Joe" - a paternalistic role. Mao Tse Tung was a father figure. Monarchs throughout time have been parental figures. No autocracy has ever been without a heavily paternalistic perversion.

[JohnKleeb]

2. glad Kerry responded to that

[shraby]

7. I guess we're abused children

no health care, no work, losing our homes, no money, and our "parent" is telling us it's great.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

42. Let's not forget this little "paternal" moment from Schwarzenneger:

"You have faith in free enterprise, faith in the resourcefulness of the American people ... and faith in the U.S. economy. To those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say: Don't be economic girlie men!"

To that, Schwarzenegger received a deafening round of applause and cheering."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,131030,00.html

[belle]

60. I'll TRY not to be an "economic girlie man..." if

I can figure out what the hell that means. especially for a girlie-girl, like moi.

maybe i should buy a more expensive, butcher wardrobe? yeah, that must be it.

[skippysmom]

4. With a parent like that

I'd call social services.

Also glad Kerry called him on that one. Card is such an ass.

[Hobarticus]

5. OMG...what hubris!!!

Interesting, he'd sacrifice all...as long as it didn't entail going to 'Nam.

Kerry needs to blow that right back 'em.

Here's some of that article...

NEW YORK -- White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card said yesterday that President Bush views America as a ''10-year-old child" in need of the sort of protection provided by a parent.

Card's remark, criticized later by Democrat John F. Kerry's campaign as ''condescending," came in a speech to Republican delegates from Maine and Massachusetts that was threaded with references to Bush's role as protector of the country. Republicans have sounded that theme repeatedly at the GOP convention as they discuss the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and the war in Iraq.

''It struck me as I was speaking to people in Bangor, Maine, that this president sees America as we think about a 10-year-old child," Card said. ''I know as a parent I would sacrifice all for my children."

The comment underscored an argument put forth some by political pundits, such as MSNBC talk-show host Chris Matthews, that the Republican Party has cast itself as the ''daddy party."

[jeff30997]

6. Strange because...

I see Bush as a child needing a parent himself.Immature idiot!

[ezekiel333]

36. Yep, ever read "Stage Zero"

<http://www.counterpunch.org/norris09202003.html>

[depakid]

38. Nice application of Kohlberg

it makes total sense.

[BlueEyedSon]

8. BlueEyedSon says U.S. sees Bush as Child Needing a Parent.

And a spanking.
And a Curfew.
And no TV.
And no allowance.

[librechik]

24. Librechik sees Bush as alcoholic bumbler needing a drink n/t

[jrthin]

9. Yeah, we see what a

swell job he did raising spoiled, alcholic sluts.

[54anickel]

10. More evidence of his "Savior" complex. I just don't see how he thinks

this sort of comment is going to help him win those undecided votes out there. So far through this entire freakshow called the RNC, they have only put out messages that appeal to their narrow base.

Hope they keep it up.

[punpirate]

11. Yet another comment which prompts me to say...

... "why am I not surprised?"

Now Bush thinks of himself as God the Father. :crazy:

[calico1]

13. Remember...

"Father" is what Jim Jones had his followers refer to him as.

[punpirate]

18. I'll leave the...

... kool-aid to the Repugs, thanks. :P

[54anickel]

31. Bit of tinfoil.....

The Left Behind Series was started about the same time as Shrub's "decision" to become the Repug candidate. Authored by LaHaye who was co-chair of Jack Kemp's campaign, on the board of Moral Majority and an organizer of the Council for National Policy.

From an article at Salon: http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2002/07/29/left_behind/

...the Council for National Policy, which ABCNews.com has called "the most powerful conservative organization in America you've never heard of" and whose membership has included John Ashcroft, Tommy Thompson and Oliver North. George W. Bush is still refusing to release a tape of a speech he gave to the group in 1999.

The point isn't that all these leaders are part of some kind of right-wing Illuminati. It's simply that the seemingly wacky ideology promulgated in the Left Behind books is one that important people in America are quite comfortable with. The Left Behind series provides a narrative and a theological rationale for a whole host of perplexing conservative policies, from the White House's craven decision to cut off aid to the United Nations Family Planning Fund to America's surreally casual mobilization for an invasion of Baghdad -- a city that is, in the Left Behind books, Satan's headquarters.

I know a lot of folks that read that series that wouldn't fall into the wacky fundies camp. But they'll make the connection between what's happening in the news to that damned series of books. I tend to slap them upside the head and try to point out that it's the other way around. The books were written to promote exactly what's been happening, they aren't some mystical prophecy, they are a God damned script for this maladministration!

[punpirate]

34. Nevertheless, the books are rooted in...

... dispensationalism, and that religious looniness predates current events by more than a hundred-fifty years. The "Left Behind" books combine contemporary history and dispensationalism in a way that furthers belief in the dispensational theory. In that sense, the Bushies may be consciously pushing current policy because they've been influenced by dispensationalist theory (particularly Bush himself). That dispensationalism is a sort of Nostradamus meets Christian evangelicalism concept fits well with a Bush who's anti-science and anti-fact.

I've already looked at this a while ago--have a look in the article archives for "The Armageddon Policy."

Cheers.

[jwirr]

99. One thing about End Time Theorists

is that you can take almost any of these theories and place them in a time period to make the facts fit. They could have and did use these ideas to explain the Roman Empire, Nero, the stock market crash in 1929, the depression, Hitler, Communism and today their man-made world crisis. It would be easy to write the books to fit any era in history. Each generation has its own troubles and fears and each generation thinks their's are the worst ever. Thus the End Times. In the Bible it actually tells Christians not to set around gazing up into the sky waiting for the end but to continue working for good. I suggest RW people should consider doing just that. Vote for Hope - Vote for Kerry.

[Ilsa]

70. Satan's HQ is in Baghdad? Oh what a riot! No wonder the fundies

are so hot to bomb them!

[UpInArms]

44. also what Rev. Moon calls himself

remember "True Parents"?

[belle]

62. hey, good point!

i really, really wish the Moonie stuff would hit the mainstream media for once...it's way past time.

[thecrow]

55. Father is what the Moonies call Rev. Moon!!

[LiberalFighter]

75. Isn't that what Moonie requires his followers to call him?

[donkeyotay]

29. that's funny. I think of him as the godfather

of the republican mob. That was one strange aspect leading up to the war, how they were always talking about "discipline."

[aquart]

12. Was he drinking? Didn't get enough sleep?

What would make Card say something so offensively outrageous?

Has he decided to vote for Kerry?

[kaybea]

97. It's almost Fall, that's why...

According to f*ckstick Andrew Card, you "don't roll out a new product til Fall."

This offensive statement is just their "new product"--not quite as bad as their last Fall "product"--WMDs that rilly, rilly and truly exist.

[madrchsod]

14. jesus christ look at his daughters....

i`m not the best dad in the world but my daughter has more class than these two twits. give me a fuck`n break...

[loudsue]

15. Bush: Putting the "funk" back in "dysfunk-tional".....

That truly IS how Bush sees this great country of ours: like the CITIZENS are bunch of kids.

So....we're supposed to live like the "don't do as I DO...do as I SAY" kind of parent is in charge. Like he's ABOVE the law that the rest of us are supposed to live by.

Yep. That's bush!!

:kick::kick:

[KT2000]

16. This is the religious model

religions make people childlike so they are more pliable and obedient.

Next thing you know, he will have us call him Father Bush.

[markses]

17. Oh, Daddy! Come save me!

Didn't Arnold say something about the government being accountable to the people, rather than the people to the government? Is that the parent child relationship? Mmmm?

[MrBenchley]

26. You know this is twice as funny

at a convention where his bimbo daughters turned up drunk....

[LisaL]

19. Well, thank god

we can pick our own "parent" in this case.
Thank you very much, Mr. Bush, but I sure don't want you as a "parent".

[DFWJock]

20. Hey Daddy

Lets play hide and seek. You go hide first, please.

[Corgigal]

21. I guess I'm a teenager now

because this 40 year old mother wants to pack up her shit and run away.

[librechik]

22. Our Father, Who art in DC, hallowed be thy name...

thy KIngdom come thy will be done in the US as it is in Stalinist Russia.

:puke:

[WI_DEM]

23. I see the US as a country needing a president

[Dhalgren]

52. That's the response that should be given!

Excellent framing of a rebutal! "I see America as a nation of governing citizens, in need of a President!"

[MrBenchley]

25. Well, he's done a helluva job there....

[notadmblnd]

27. I think we've already seen the results of his parenting...

and they are an embarassment!

[barb162]

28. he can't even raise his own 2 brats normally

[goclark]

50. Do you think that the twins

are suffering from the effects of their dads alcohol abuse?

If so, I will feel sorry for them.
In my work as an educator, I noticed so many children that displayed the same problems. Many of them had a history of moms/dads with substance abuse problems.

[barb162]

80. possibly

but I think it is more likely more serious, they are suffering antisocial personality disorder, just like their father. The same sociopathic crap with the lies, the smirking, strutting, the manipulation of people, the entitlement feeling that you're better than others, that you can do whatever you want and can get away with it, including breaking the law, etc. Bush has lived his life with powerful people protecting him, covering up for him, changing or destroying traffic violations, records, military records, etc. Getting set up in business time after time after screwing up companies. He was brought up by sick parents to believe there are no consequences to bad behavior. As a sick parent himself, I think he brings up the 2 brats in exactly the same fashion. You know: you're better than others, only other people have rules, we don't.

I think the alcohol abuse in the Bush case is a sympton of the much more serious problem of antisocial behavior. Let's face it, these people don't drink because they are feeling insecure or shy or things like that.

[barb162]

82. I forgot to mention this before

are you noticing more kids who are oppositional-defiant? I don't have kids but I swear this is becoming more common. I see more parents who just about teach their kids in all kinds of different ways not to respect teachers, authority figures, etc and then the kids think they can get away with whatever they want. They sass, they are obnoxious to adults and the parents are sitting there sort of smiling (giving them explicit approval with those smiles, failure to correct the behavior) while their kids are acting out. There are so many parents who shouldn't be breeding!

[TheCentepedeShoes]

30. Just like what I had

A narcissist and an alcoholic. Sorry, been there, done that.

[grasswire]

32. no kidding

A narcissistic parent. Oh Lord spare us!

[grasswire]

33. I want the full transcript of his remarks

There may be some more nuggets.

[barb162]

45. narcissists are impossible

oh those fragile egos, the slightest criticism is a major frontal attack on their entire being (which reminds me as I write this, zell Miller must be a narcissist the way he flew off the handle last night with being asked questions)

[chromotone]

35. Quick, George, abort us...!

You know, like you and Robin had done in Texas in 1971!
http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=159

[depakid]

37. That's one of the sickest things I've ever heard

The entire article filled me with revulsion for Andrew Card. What a shallow and petty man- of course, the same could probably be said of most Republican men.

[EST]

39. The same sort of parent

who listens to insane voices in his head telling him to sacrifice his children to satisfy his own master?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

40. How many years of therapy will it take

to deal with the way "Dad" has fucked us over?

[belle]

41. Interesting, explains a lot about the Freepers, I'd say.

[truthspeaker]

43. reminds me of Ayatollah Khamenei calling student protesters "my children"

Jackass. The president of the US is not our father figure, he is our employee.

If we wanted a king we would have stayed with England. At least that royal family can speak English.

[xxqqqzme]

46. ah, thanx but no thanx

I have rethuglican parents - that is more than enough 4 me.

[AP]

47. Then let's judge them by their children. The Kerry-Edwards kids are great

kids. Jenna and Barbara. Well...

[pinniped]

48. Sounds like how the Spanish viewed Native Americans.

Does this mean America is not moving forward?

[July]

49. U.S. sees Bush as a megalomaniac.

[mondo joe]

51. Hedid such a great job with the twins, after all!

Maybe when he's done with us we'll all be inarticulate party girls!

[Dhalgren]

53. What in the names of all the gods is wrong with these people?!!

Bush is our "Father"?
We're "10 year old children"?
He is our "protector"?
Making fun of the Purple Heart Medal and everyone who ever earned it?
Saying that the U.S. Navy's official records are lies?
Calling everyone who disagrees with the republican economic (lack of) policies a "girly-man"?
"I want to become a politician, later in life, so I can't run the risk of getting killed in a war that I support"?
"I didn't serve my country as a youth, because I had other priorities"?

Is this what might beat us in November?!! Are you fucking kidding me??!!! This is what America wants?!! I am just out of my freakin' mind - must be!!!

[TahitiNut]

67. Uh-huh.

Where's my AR-15 when I need it? :grr:

[KamaAina]

54. Oh yeah? Well, this "10-year-old child" says....

Cheney off, Dad! I'm moving in with Uncle John and Aunt Teresa down in Washington, so there!!

[truthisfreedom]

64. i guess we don't get to eat at the grownups' table. with halliburton. and

the rest of their cronies who are running everything. his analogy is perfect.

[drscm]

56. Thank you. I don't need a patronizing abusive b@stard for a parent.

I don't have time to type the rest of the adjectives that I would like to use to describe this incredibly sick "human" being.

[shrike]

57. These people are fuckin' nuts

and that's all there is to it.

[SKKY]

58. I love it when these clowns keep talking...

...because the more the Bushites talk, the more fodder they're giving us for the debates. Rest assured my nervous and anxious friends, all of these things will come up in the debates.

[ima_sinnic]

59. hey, "dad," I'm PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE and I don't need

no stinkin jackass to be my "father"--especially you, waste-product.

These people are effing IDIOTS!! One minute they're whining about how "the Democrats" want society to "provide for" everybody, which threatens their craven "rugged individuality," the next minute they're talking about how we're all weak and "need protection." Like that slimeball could "take care" of me--NOT!!


Blow it out your #@%$#@--PIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (wow, am I P-Oed!)

[spanone]

61. I'll remain an orphan thank you.

[lebkuchen]

63. Who is the "child" in this scenario?

Surely Card means Bush. The parent is the American citizenry, who will be giving Bush a spanking in November.

[Eurobabe]

65. This is the meme that the Repukes have been

pushing since Reagan, albeit in a psy-ops fashion. Read George Lakoff's MORAL POLITICS: How Liberals and Conservatives Think. The Repubes think we all need a strong daddy, and use everything in their power to develop and exploit the metaphor and illusion that they are the strong father figure that is going to take care of us.

Ugh.

[AngryOldDem]

66. Funny,

but I see the United States as a country in need of a leader.

[kayell]

68. Can we have him charged with child abuse now?

[Ilsa]

71. I'd rather be in foster care. eom

[ezekiel333]

85. lol Unless Jeb is running it.

[sandraj]

72. Uh huh.

And what a stellar role model you are, George. :eyes:

[stickdog]

73. Drunk Daddy

Momma married a big asshole
Whiskey bottles on the floor
He just keeps on watchin' t.v.
Stepchild tired of being poor
Kitchen smells like rotten garbage
I can't chew my food my face is sore
Momma didn't come home last evening
Neighbors say that she's a whore
Some folks never want for nothin'
I'm a worn out hand me down
Stupid rich kid gets me angry
Lord, I'm gonna cut him down
Now I'm grown up same old story
At 21 I fell in love
She left me just like the others
Jesus why'd you curse my love?

Drunk daddy broke my fingers
Drunk Daddy done kicked my head
Drunk Daddy smashed my sister
Turned my whole world red (blood red)

he's coming up the stairs
he's got that thing in his hand
no dad, don't, leave me alone
no, no daddy don't
he's coming up the stairs
he's got that thing in his hand
okay, dad you can beat me but you'll never beat me

Drunk daddy broke my fingers
Drunk Daddy done kicked my head
Drunk Daddy smashed my sister
Turned my whole world red (blood red)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

74. ''And I can honestly say that never once have I seen a situation where a

soldier or a Marine or a sailor or an airman didn't say, 'Thank you for the privilege of serving, Mr. President, and I'm anxious to get back to help my comrades.' "

-Card

One party of that quote has to be on some really good drugs.

Or Card is lying through his teeth. But Dubya's press secretary would never do that.

[eleanor]

77. I vote he's a liar

This is the most ridiculous and insulting part of the whole story. I'm just certain a guy who has had his legs and arms blown off is going to thank Dubya and say he's anxious to get back to his unit. Puhleeeeze --

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

79. Welcome to DU, Eleanor!

And I would have to argree with you.
:toast:

[booksenkatz]

76. Do we each get a trust fund from the Bush coffer? nt

*

[Disturbed]

81. Sig Heil ...

the glorious leader of the Fatherland.

Isn't that how anti-Christ Zealots view god as the father?

The father, son and holy ghost.

The cross at the Neo Fascist convention pulpit.

Hmmm...beginning to see the progrom, now.

[seaurchin]

78. Maybe that's why he's planning to say

..."we have fought the terrorists across the earth not for pride, not for power, but because the lives of our citizens are at stake".
Should've inserted "children" who can't take care of themselves.

[Pallas180]

83. what absoute bushit. US needs a parent. He needs a parent &

so do his children judging from their immature behavior

[bobbyboucher]

84. The record is skipping,

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[Strawman]

86. OK, so now the Republicans are in favor of gov't paternalism?

Talk about a flip-flop! They're supposedly the party of individualism and paternalism at the same time.

[AKing]

87. When I think of dubya as a parent .....

I immediately think of the Menendez brothers for some reason

[TahitiNut]

88. Kick

:eyes:

[JohnOneillsMemory]

89. * is an abusive parent. But The People like a dictator! It's true!

My history professor mother teaches her Roman Empire students:
'When times get tough, the people turn to dictators for security.'

Seems people do respond favorably to ruthlessness and impunity as a sign of strength to allay their fears. It's an old dynamic and bastards benefit from it. "He's a son-of-a-bitch but he's OUR son-of-a-bitch." Hence the Democrats inability to respond to the hand-crafted malevolence of ugly innuendo and outright lies against Kerry and democratic policies.

Hitler wrote the same thing in Mein Kampf (pub.1925):

"The masses of the people prefer the ruler to the suppliant and are filled with a stronger sense of mental security by a teaching that brooks no rival than by a teaching which offers them a liberal choice."

"They have very little idea of how to make such a choice and thus are prone to feel abandoned. Whereas they feel very little shame at being terrorized intellectually and are scarcely conscious of the fact that their freedom as human beings is impudently abused"

"...physical intimidation has its significance for the mass as well as the individual...For the successes which are thus obtained are taken by the adherents as a triumphant symbol of the righteousness of their own cause; while the beaten opponent very often loses faith in the effectiveness of any further resistance."

Lakoff is right about propaganda word-smiths using gender stereotypes or archetypes of sexual power and family to fabricate two main types of people in life that might be either with or against us:

Strict Punishing Father=winner=(Republican)=STRONG=capitalism
Tolerant Nurturing Mother=loser=(Democrat)=weak=socialism

Discipline (crony capitalism) is rewarded with God's spoils and the Meek deserve to starve according to their God. This is called DOMINIONISM and it is the religious version of World Empire.

Scary scary stuff.

[sofa king]

90. ...And that's just how the U.S. sees Bush.

As a child needing a parent.

[Moderator]

91. Kick

:dem:

[GOPAgainstGW]

92. YEAH RIGHT - LOOK HOW WELL HE DID WITH HIS #$%@ DAUGHTERS!!

[gatlingforme]

94. This is such the Republican mantra - paternalistic BULL SHIT>

I am not one bit surprised by this statement. Andy Card is a twit

[Octafish]

95. Since Poppy's time, USA has been a dysfuntional family.

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

[jwirr]

98. He should learn to parent his twins

before he thinks he is qualified to be our parent.

[w4rma]

100. Bush wants to be king. This nut is as undemocratic as they come. (nt)