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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 12:52 PM
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Iraqi Holy City Left Broken by Urban Warfare
Iraqi Holy City Left Broken by Urban Warfare
By Karl Vick
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, August 27, 2004; Page A01

NAJAF, Iraq, Aug. 26 -- Lt. Col. Jim Rainey describes the battle here as "tackle football in the hallway, with no roof on the hallway." It's an apt analogy for urban warfare in sometimes extremely close quarters.

But after 21 days of merciless battering by U.S. weapons, parts of Najaf have very nearly no hallway at all. Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the most influential Shiite cleric in Iraq, negotiated a cease-fire Thursday, but not before parts of Najaf had been devastated.

Pinpoint fire and tight restrictions on munitions ensure that the gold-domed Imam Ali shrine remained all but unscathed. But the core of the city around it, a destination of longing for millions of Shiite Muslims, is so mauled that American commanders debate which famously ruined wartime cityscape Najaf now resembles most.

"It's like Stalingrad," a senior 5th Cavalry officer said.

"Sarajevo," Rainey maintained.

"Beirut," a Marine commander said.

"Not Dresden," an Army field officer said while standing watch at a panorama of blackened, half-destroyed buildings a few dozen yards north of the glittering shrine. "Not enough fire."

The damage to Najaf is the consequence of an urban setting for battle, a woefully overmatched enemy and an American military doctrine that unites terrifying firepower with almost zero tolerance for casualties in its own ranks.

"If we take fire from it, we destroy the whole building," an Army commander said Thursday, after he ordered junior officers in his headquarters to do just that, once they received clearance, against a structure the Mahdi Army militia, the enemy here, was using as a firebase.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37040-2004Aug26.html
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 12:56 PM
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1. The damage was light compared to... Dresden!?
Oi...
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 01:00 PM
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2. Vey!
Yeah, compared to Dresden. By comparison, my compatriots the Serbs managed to kill something like 10,000 in 43 months of besieging Sarajevo, ze Germans killed 1,000,000 or so in 6 months during the battle of Stalingrad... when you are being compared to that, you know something has gone wrong.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 01:29 PM
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5. Complete agreement here.
It reminds me of a scene like this in the film Gettysberg where a salty veteran compares the commendation from Lincoln for "light" casualties to the worst disasters known in his time (though many more came since).
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 01:01 PM
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3. all our ultimatumizing, all our bombing, all our threats...
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 01:01 PM by thebigidea
... useless compared to the mutterings of a guy with a bad heart and a big beard.

Allawi and Abizaid must be feeling fucking stupid right about now. Negroponte has probably been throwing chairs around the office all week.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 01:02 PM
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4. When you try to take religion on
more often than not you lose. Even Stalin found this out...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 02:52 PM
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 02:58 PM
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7. Same with fundie Christians and Jews
No difference, really. They all go back to an eye for an eye and revenge for dissing their version of "God".

Do not think that the Ayatollahs are any more fascistic than Bush/Cheney et al.

True Muslims - the mass majority - are very tolerant and are taught to be by the Quran.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 03:03 PM
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8. What would Falwell or Robertson back us on,...
,...how would they run the world?

Bottom line,...there are a relative few ultra-extremists scattered about everywhere and they all have the potential to be quite destructive to life on this planet.
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