Decorated ex-Iowan calls Kerry a traitor

[leQ]

Des Moines Register

The political battle over the Vietnam War has opened another front, with Iowa's most-decorated living veteran calling Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry a turncoat who lied to Congress in 1971 about alleged war atrocities.

Retired Col. George "Bud" Day, a Republican Party activist who is a Sioux City native, compared Kerry to Revolutionary War traitor Benedict Arnold.

Day was an Air Force fighter pilot during the Vietnam War. He was awarded the Medal of Honor - the nation's highest military award - after spending more than five years as a prisoner of war.

(snip)

"I draw a direct comparison to General Benedict Arnold of the Revolutionary War to Lieutenant John Kerry," Day wrote. "Both went off to war, fought, and then turned against their country. General Arnold crossed over to the British for money and position. John Kerry crossed over to the Vietnamese with his assistance to the anti-war movement and his direct liaison with the Vietnamese diplomats in Paris. His reward. Political gain. Senator. United States."
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will it ever end? were atrocities never proven?

[BlueEyedSon]

1. I think the atrocities are well documented.

Is this guy an idiot or is he still trying to keep them a "secret"?

[bemildred]

3. Idiot. nt

[lottie244]

20. How would an air pilot know about atocities on the ground?

It's easy for pilots who bomb from above shipmen who launch missiles from ships to say there were no atrocities and that they didn't see any...they weren't there unless they were downed.

[MODemocrat]

57. But you are forgetting: he's a republican

Isn't that a good enough reason? They seem to be everywhere all the time!:puke:

[iamjoy]

35. Abu Ghraib Photographers Are Traitors

I mean, following the logic that John Kerry speaking out against the war crimes in Vietnam is treason, then the people who took and published photographs of the torture in Iraq are also guilty of disloyalty to the country.

So, if the country does something wrong, we shouldn't mention it because to bring it up is something only a traitor would do.

Maybe I shouldn't give them any ideas.

[tblue37]

67. Actually,

the soldier who broke the Abu Ghraib torture photos is now in protective custody, because he and his family have received death threats from those who consider his exposure of the torture to be treason. So, yes, I'd say these vets who call Kerry's honesty treason would also cll Darby's honesty treason.

[iamjoy]

78. Makes Me Wonder

Why the people who commit the war crimes, torture, abuse, etc aren't considered traitors.

[cowboykiller62]

89. kerry isnt a true vet

he sold the vietnam vets out guys. good for this true war hero.

[JohnKleeb]

2. but yet they call him a war criminal at the same time

They call him a liar for saying attrocities happened then they say oh he committed them, at least thats what John Fucking O'Neil is doing. I dont remember '92 and '96 well but I don't recall Clinton-Gore slamming Bush and Dole because of their service. I cant believe Bud Fucking Day, and he supports Bush, a man who has done nil for veterans.

[Career Prole]

52. He doesn't support bush either.

I went back to that Medal of Honor Winners who support bush e-mail that the bush campaign has posted, and Day didn't sign it.
Not that the press will mention that he doesn't support either candidate. I think the reporter should have asked Day what his gripe with bush was.

[JohnKleeb]

88. oh then, I wonder who he supports

Mike Petruoka?

[Guaranteed]

4. So this has just turned into the "Give Your Opinion of John Kerry"

show. You don't even have to know the guy. All you need is some time in Vietnam and maybe a medal or two, and step right up, take your licks and the media will cover it.

[0007]

5. Another paid troll for junior and thugs!

[ljm2002]

6. "Iowa's most-decorated living veteran"

...but, but, we aren't supposed to pay attention to decorations any more. Decorations don't mean squat. The military handed them out like candy back in 'Nam...

I know 'cuz the Swift Boat Veterans told me so.

[jdj]

72. Can someone tell me what Iowa has to do with it?

If that's a stupid question,sorry, but...or maybe is it Iowa Jima they are talking about (like on the metafilter thread earlier)?

[gottaB]

7. I never thought of it before, but by ducking military service

Bush and Cheney avoided the temptation of betraying their country for political gain.

What a patriotic crew!

[Career Prole]

34. Now that's beautiful!

Well said! :toast:

[DS1]

8. I'm going to sound like Bob Dole for a moment...

What part of becoming of POW involves extraordinary acts of bravery and selflessness which results in a Medal of Honor.

If you ever read some of the citations of previous winners from older wars there's some pretty amazing shit you have to do to get one - most people don't live to see it.

[Ganja Ninja]

15. Exactly!

Allowing your self to be captured and then sitting it out in a POW camp is taking the easy way out of combat. It's just like being wounded three times and getting to go home early, or so the twisted logic of the freepers go.:crazy:

[DS1]

17. and they were staying at Paris Hilton's house

from what I understand :silly:

[tblue37]

69. Um,

John McCain was viciously tortured while a POW. And when offered a chance to go home early (because he was a high profile figure), he refused to go and leave the others behind. The Viet Cong tortured prisoners psychologically and physically, so being a POW was not a "vacation."

[jdj]

79. Um, and because of that to get the nom, Bush said McCain was nuts

But now being a 5 yr. POW is a good thing...

flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop

[Journeyman]

30. Medal of Honor Citation for Col. (then Maj.) George Day. . .

Citation: On 26 August 1967, Col. Day was forced to eject from his aircraft over North Vietnam when it was hit by ground fire. His right arm was broken in 3 places, and his left knee was badly sprained. He was immediately captured by hostile forces and taken to a prison camp where he was interrogated and severely tortured. After causing the guards to relax their vigilance, Col. Day escaped into the jungle and began the trek toward South Vietnam. Despite injuries inflicted by fragments of a bomb or rocket, he continued southward surviving only on a few berries and uncooked frogs. He successfully evaded enemy patrols and reached the Ben Hai River, where he encountered U.S. artillery barrages. With the aid of a bamboo log float, Col. Day swam across the river and entered the demilitarized zone. Due to delirium, he lost his sense of direction and wandered aimlessly for several days. After several unsuccessful attempts to signal U.S. aircraft, he was ambushed and recaptured by the Viet Cong, sustaining gunshot wounds to his left hand and thigh. He was returned to the prison from which he had escaped and later was moved to Hanoi after giving his captors false information to questions put before him. Physically, Col. Day was totally debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. Despite his many injuries, he continued to offer maximum resistance. His personal bravery in the face of deadly enemy pressure was significant in saving the lives of fellow aviators who were still flying against the enemy. Col. Day's conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Air Force and reflect great credit upon himself and the U.S. Armed Forces.


Of the 3,459 Medals of Honor awarded, only 614 were awarded posthumously.

[uhhuh]

85. If Col.Day Was Running Against The Chimp

This is what the swifties would be saying right now:

Dirk Dumbass, (Lt.USAF 1966-1970):

"I was IN Vietnam in 1967, and Col.Day's story is a complete fabrication.

I remember that day. I saw a plane performing unsafe, hot dog, maneuvers, and flying too low. It clipped the top of some trees and crashed.

I and some of the men with me went to assist, but when we got there, the pilot, Col. Day, was ranting about us being capitalist scum, and started shooting at us.

Rather than shoot one of our own, we withdrew, and hoped to pick him up later.

When we returned, he appeared to have wandered off.

There were signs that others had made contact with him and he went with them."


Another Vietnam vet had this to say:

Ilie Offun, (Sgt., USMC 1964-1972):

"I remember entering a village in 1968, and seeing a man who appeared to be an American. I asked him his name, he pretended not to understand. He was in a hut, smoking opium with two underage Vietnamese girls. I knew he was one of ours, but he resisted attempts to take him with us, and I didn't want to take him into custody, since it was a dangerous area and we didn't want to have to fight with him, so we left some food in a bag and a compass and left the area, after clearing the rest of the village."

PFC. Shill, who was with Sgt. Offun had this to add:

"It was the damndest thing. After we left the food and compass, and as we were leaving, this guy picks up the bag, leaving the compass behind, and dumps out the food, and puts the bag over his head and runs wildly into the jungle!

He was smashing into trees, and tripping over brush, getting all scratched up. I think that's where some of his injuries came from. He was holding his arm and limping heavily when he disappeared into the jungle.

I think he made up all that stuff on his medal citation. He could have come with us, but he wanted to smoke dope and play with little girls."

On a final note, Lt. Swiftliar(USN, 1968-1979) had this to say:

One day, while on patrol, we saw a man swimming in the river. We saw that he was an American. We went to assist him, but he quickly swan away from us, and went on to shore. As we followed, he ran behind a tree and retrieved a weapon and began firing at us. We ordered him to put it down, but he refused. After firing a few warning shots, and him continuing to return fire, we shot at him in an attempt to incapacitate him and take him into custody. This is where his injuries came from. He went down, but was able to escape because the noise of the confrontation brought fire from the other side of the river from a heavily armed group of VC. When the ememy engagement ended and we returned, he was gone.

Back at base a few weeks later, I recieved word that one of our pilots had been captured by the North Vietnamese. Over the next few months, I noticed that reports showed that the enemy had an extraordinary knowledge of our positions and tactics.

When I first saw pictures of Col. Day after his release, I knew it was the same guy that resisted our help in the river. He probably sang like a bird to the North Vietnamese, and his actions resulted in the deaths of many brave American men. He is no hero. He is a traitor.

I held my tongue for a long time about this because I didn't think that my story of a traitorous Medal Of Honor winner would be believed, but now that he is looking to be the Commander In Chief, I could be silent no longer.

I know that Col. Day is not a hero, but a traitor."


That's about how it would go....

[THUNDER HANDS]

9. he's a sore loser

like the rest of them who still can't get over why they lost a war to a severely overmatched enemy who suffered great losses and still kept coming back for more. He's a loser and he'll never live that down. In a way I'm almost happy it eats away at him like this, I hope he suffers with that turmoil for the rest of his miserable life.

LOSER!

[MODemocrat]

58. Iraq is Vietnam all over again

Talk about a loser; just look at the president.

[Ganja Ninja]

10. Bud is just another crazy Vietnam Vet like McCain.

If it was up to republicans we would still be in Vietnam.

[saracat]

65. I hate to sound like a Freeper, but Vietnam was a Democratic

mistake. We were the ones who got sucker punched into Vietnam and it was our Goden Boy Kennedy who sent us there. Johnson kept us there.In this case, the Repugs of yesterday might have ended Vietnam sooner. Go figure.

[Judi Lynn]

73. Actually VietNam was a problem at the time Kennedy was elected

The administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower undertook instead to build a nation from the spurious political entity that was South Vietnam by fabricating a government there, taking over control from the French, dispatching military advisers to train a South Vietnamese army, and unleashing the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to conduct psychological warfare against the North.
(snip/...)

http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/causes.htm

[jdj]

80. Not only that, but as I understand it the old guard repugs

wanted to use much more drastic means in 'nam, up to nuclear weapons, so the casualty count of Americans *may* have been less, but the casualties for vietnamese would have been more than the million it was (and 58,000 U.S. casualties)

[madmax]

11. Send Walt Starr's Imposter info to the writer

His email link is at the top of the article. [e-mail] <[e-mail]>

http://www.democrats.com

[chelsea0011]

12. And the media gives this guy a voice because.......why?

The media takes every crackpot at this point and gives them voice aginst anything Kerry. Silent on Bush.

[9119495]

13. I live in Eastern Iowa but

I could drive across the state to kick this guy's ass if you all want me too. Should I?

[IA_Seth]

39. Willing to Drive?

I am in Cedar Rapids and am about ready to go shut his damn pie-hole myself!

Another more positive note:

Tom Riley, a local lawyer and former Republican lawmaker has radio ads playing in Eastern Iowa speaking out AGAINST the Swifties, saying that we should be paying attention to the current issues, and not re-fighting a past war.

Hip Hip Hooray for Republicans who get their shit together!

[9119495]

43. I haven't heard the ad but Tom Riley has turned to the

forces of good since the right went after all those evil trial lawyers. He needs us now.

[IA_Seth]

44. yeah....

He still is probably the typical Republican - out to save his own ass - but at least he is doing something.

[Judi Lynn]

74. Here's his photo. Looks as if he might welcome a break in the monotony!

Either he's really old, or coming off a bender!

[Jacobin]

14. Iowa. Wasn't that where Dean lost the big primary?

[saigon68]

16. Bud Day is a Religious WHACK JOB

Pay no attention to his ravings. He is so far to the right that Hitler was a KOMMUNIST.

LOL

[Toots]

18. Only Republicans smear veterans.

:shrug: No surprises here. Republican says it all.

[Wickerman]

19. As someone born in Iowa and a vet, let me say, this guy speaks for himself

and 5 other whackos living in John Wayne "war is glory" lala-land ignorant bliss.

pathetic.

[Classical_Liberal]

21. Atrocities were proven.

. This guy is a right winger.

[hatrack]

22. Damn! There goes the Sioux City vote!

And Kerry was so close in western Iowa!! :eyes:

[HarveyBriggs]

23. This DEMANDS a DU letter campaign!!!

Here's the link to the Register:

http://desmoinesregister.com/help/letter.html

This story was front-page news people. The articles that tell the truth about Kerry's service get buried far, far back.

This attack on Kerry by this fellow is an attack on all soldiers.

Republicans are attacking distinguished veterans because they have none leading their party.

The media, like the Des Moines Register is joining the attack by making these statements front-page news under slanted pro-Bush headlnes, while they bury the truth about Kerry.

Send your e-mails, and fill their servers with your outrage. This is wrong.

Tell them what you have hears, as I have, that these attacks have become so bitter and partisans that soldiers today returning from Iraq are accused by Republicans of being traitors just because they are Democrats. And these soldiers are becoming frustrated over fighting for hateful and ungrateful Republicans.

What if George Washington had to face lieing Delware River Boat Crossing veterans for truth? Or Teddy Roosevelt, or the men who raised the flag over Iwo Jima, or Audey Murphey ever had to run against the schemeing lies of George W. Bush.

We hear these accusations in the midst of an incredible silence from President George W. Bush, Senator Chuck Grassley, Representatives Tom Latham and Steven King, and candidate for Congress Stan Thompson who runs against veteran and US Representative Leonard Boswell.

The war is against terrorism, not our troops and our veterans.

If the Republicans would save these attacks for the enemy, instead of for our soldiers maybe we'd be winning this war.

Send the letters often, and keep 'em coming.

This isn't the Kerry campaign's responsibility. IT's YOURS!

You have your talking points. Lets get the letters out now!

Harvey Briggs

[A_Possum]

48. Use this too

Kerry, the Congressional Record, 1971:

"Mr. Kerry: Well, Senator, frankly it does not appeal to me if American men have to continue to die when they don't have to, particularly when it seems the Government of this country is more concerned with the legality of where men sleep than it is with the legality of where they drop bombs. (Applause.)...

...But at the present moment that is not going to happen, so we are talking about men continuing to die for nothing and I think there is a tremendous moral question here which the Congress of the United States is ignoring...

...But I think if we can talk in this legislative body about filibustering for porkbarrel programs, then we should start now to talk about filibustering for the saving of lives and of our country. (Applause.)

And this, Mr. Chairman, is what we are trying to convey."

[DinahMoeHum]

24. This guy Day was/is a hard-liner even by fellow POW's standards.

There's plenty of literature and biography among POWs in the Hanoi prison system from that time. All you have to do is visit the library or bookstore.

BTW, these fellows, most of them officers, were just about the only Vietnam veterans given a formal hero's welcome home.

We all had to fight tooth and nail for all the other veterans to get a hero's welcome, which finally came when the Vietnam memorial was formally unveiled in the early 1980s. Even then, guys like Day fought against this memorial. Buncha lame motherf**kers.

The only saving grace to all this is that not all the Hanoi POWs were or are as hardline and fascistic as Day. John McCain is one example. So is Douglas B."Pete" Peterson, who later became US ambassador to Vietnam, after serving several terms as a Congressman from Florida.


:nuke:

[FredScuttle]

25. Two words

My. Lai. My, how quickly we forget.

[Tommy_Douglas]

26. No a traitor is a guy...

that sends troops to die in the desert so Halliburton can make a pile of cash and Bush can play soldier boy.

A traitor is a guy that serves in Vietnam then turns on a brother in arms when the republican smear machine arrives with a cheque.

[Merlin]

27. Slimeball fucking idiot couldn't see the burning hootches from 5,000 feet

He's typical of the mindless assholes in the military who got us into that godam war to begin with and who kept us there despite oceans of evidence we were never going to do the only thing we could have done to win it--invade N Vietnam--because the Chinese would respond, and they had the bomb.

Thick headed nincompoops like this returned to the USA to take their rightful places as Stupid White Guys.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

28. Winning a lot of decorations doesn't ensure the winner of having a brain.

[erafastball]

32. Logic

Unfortunately, that's what the Repug's are saying about Kerry. We should be careful how we phrase our comments.

[chimpy the poopthrower]

50. No, they're not.

They're saying that Kerry obtained his medals fraudulently. That's not the same at all.

[Francine Frensky]

29. Nixon's strategy: telling the truth means dis-loyalty

I see Nixon's sneaky strategy is still working on these old guys.

Kerry helped bring the war to an end sooner. He saved lives that way. He spoke to congress not to complain about his fellow soldiers, but to alert those in power positions that they were making a wrong decision. Continuing the fight in Vietnam was pointless and destructive, and until guys like Kerry had the guts to stand up and say this out loud so the powerful would listen, until then, nothing was going to change.

Kerry saved lives. Nixon spun the truth, turned honesty into disloyalty.

It should be obvious to everyone now that Kerry was right twice: right to fight, and right to speak up about an atrocity.

[Lizzie Borden]

83. Here, here.

That's why I've been waiting to vote for him since he first spoke out against 'Nam.

[GoBlue]

31. WE LOST THE VIETNAM WAR

Because we were on the wrong side. Just like the confederates. Will the numbnuts ever learn to be good losers.

[nolabels]

46. Everybody lost in the Vietnam War

The difference is some lost even bigger. Lost an idealogical battle, a battle that says 'On High' has the say so, that they decide (they lost that one). A war that was clearly one for corporate colony.

A war where the government officials like Kissinger thought troops were just expendable resources. A war some thought they could throw technology at to win. A war that had government believing they could do any thing they want in spite of what the evidence was or what most others thought.

Ideas about traitors and bickering with people that got sent there instead of people that sent them there. Sounds like others just want to rub more salt in the wound. I am glad that there some who did there duty on both sides of the world. Having been sent to do things that never could be done. Sent there for officers and politicians whose only concern was for their career.

I got to serve when Jimmy Carter was in office. Carter served in the Navy, and did it and left with out a lot noise. He never bragged about it. Carter might be a mixed bag a few things, but with so much going on while he was in office he had more than a few chances to involve the US in hostilities, but never did. What Carter did says a lot to me.

[snippy]

33. So this guy supports Lt. Calley and what happened at My Lai?

Just how sick are republicans?

[MODemocrat]

60. No doubt he supports Colin Powell too

I'll never forget that murdering jack ass.

[Career Prole]

36. So how come George "Bud" Day didn't sign the infamous letter...

"16% of Medal Of Honor winners support Bush"?
Did he miss class that day? Or does he hate shrub too? :wtf:

[ismnotwasm]

37. This is so sickening

I've worked with many Vets as a health care professional. The "atrocities" not only are "real", but continue to haunt the damaged lives of many of these men, so many years later. And it's not only atrocities, it's the stress of actual combat, the hell of war that leads to mental illness, alcoholism, damaged personal relationships etc. I don't care how decorated someone is. To call Kerry a "traitor" for having the guts to speak out is so deeply disgusting I don't have words.

[annabanana]

40. AS a professional...

Do you find that there are Viet Vets who can't admit to their knowledge of atrocities that they may have personally witnessed? Could this be what's motivating some to smear Kerry's record?

BTW: Welcome to DU ismnotwasm.
:toast:

[ismnotwasm]

68. yup

Worked in long term care a long time.  Got a lot of Vets. 
MOST don't talk about it, except in vague terms, or, an
occasional detail.  It wasn't my job to psychoanalyze them,
but the reason a lot of them  ended up in nursing homes was
due to behavioral issues because of PTSD.  I'll never forget
one, who was the exception, he lived a successful life after
the war ended.  He was in for rehab after a surgery. He had a
roommate die during the night--a very elderly gentleman, but
an unexpected death. It took him three days to stop shaking
and crying, with support from his VA, and of course,
medication. This guy maybe didn't commit atrocities, given his
position/job during the war, but I can guarantee he was a
witness.

[progressivebydesign]

38. My house is highly decorated. I say Kerry is a hero! N/T

[CO Liberal]

41. CO Liberal Calls "Decorated ex-Iowan" an Asshole

:-)

[AlCzervik]

42. I cant believe this guy is a * supporter

Check this out. Clearly * did nothing to help his cause here.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:5ygh-jPcwswJ:mrgrg-ms.org/cag-rule.html+George+%22Bud%22+Day&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[The_Casual_Observer]

45. This is probably the beginning of an endless parade

of these guys. They hate Kerry for many reasons, foremost because of the V V A T W. This has emerged as their main theme. I fully expect that we will seen the congressional testimony thing played over and over a million times before the end of this bloody mess.

I sometimes wish that there had been a candidate that didn't have any baggage like this, but that would be impossible. The freepers would just as soon invent something. For example, they were already slamming Wes Clark before he started.

The stakes are high here, we are looking right into the face of the elimination of all social programs, a police state, and an emerging landowner/serf society ruled by wealthy trustfunders.

[A_Possum]

47. Concentrate on THIS in Kerry's testimony when you write letters...

Kerry, the Congressional Record, 1971:

"Mr. Kerry: Well, Senator, frankly it does not appeal to me if American men have to continue to die when they don't have to, particularly when it seems the Government of this country is more concerned with the legality of where men sleep than it is with the legality of where they drop bombs. (Applause.)...

...But at the present moment that is not going to happen, so we are talking about men continuing to die for nothing and I think there is a tremendous moral question here which the Congress of the United States is ignoring...

...But I think if we can talk in this legislative body about filibustering for porkbarrel programs, then we should start now to talk about filibustering for the saving of lives and of our country. (Applause.)

And this, Mr. Chairman, is what we are trying to convey."


*****

That's no Benedict Arnold. That's a true patriot trying to save American lives.

[leQ]

49. got a link for that?

n/t

[Judi Lynn]

76. Here ya go. Found it in google.........

http://www.nationalreview.com/document/kerry200404231047.asp

[Hobarticus]

51. Current Iowan disavows former *hole Iowan...

Believe me, he doesn't speak for all of us.

[Karenina]

53. DYSFUNCTION.

So "now" the 27 yr-old is a traitor for revealing how the "parents" horribly abused and tortured his teen-age sibs.

Yo, kids, don't believe all these references to Viet Nam are in the "past." Please read and get up to speed. Maybe PM DemoTex and look at thos phenomenal aerial shots he has in his cache. He'll tell you straight about where the explosive turd were landing and WHEN.

The debacle of the last few weeks lays bare an open festering sore that is VERY MUCH in the present. James Darby is in hiding...

[kwolf68]

54. This is the propaganda parade at work

They will destroy John Kerry...Trust me...They will stop at nothing. TRUTH is not at issue, politics is.

This is dispicable.

[MODemocrat]

55. People like him are the Paula Jones of the 90's

At no time did John Kerry turn against his country, and that old bird just doesn't know what he's talking about. I take people like that with a proverbial grain of salt.

[Hobarticus]

56. To paraphrase Carville: just drag a dollar bill through a VFW hall!

[MODemocrat]

61. Thanks, I love that quote

They did everything to Clinton, but they never were able to defeat him. They're just a sick bunch beyond belief.

[Hobarticus]

64. Never gets old with these bastards, does it?

[Career Prole]

59. I just sent the following letter to the editor

of the Des Moines Register...

Dear Register Editor,
I just read Bill Petroski's article of 8/27/04, "Decorated ex-Iowan calls Kerry a traitor".
Bud Day has earned the right to express his opinion on John Kerry's anti-war stance after his return from Vietnam, no matter how much I disagree with it.
What I am curious about is why Colonel Day didn't sign the letter endorsing George Bush which was signed by 21 other Medal of Honor winners and featured on the campaign's website. It may be found at http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=2971
If he doesn't support either candidate I think in the interests of fairness the reasons why should have been pointed out.

[dave123williams]

62. Atrocities are often rewarded.

Just ask Colin Powell; that dude was at MyLai.

[tblue37]

71. Not really.

He was the one responsible for orchestrating the attempted coverup of My Lai, though.

[tom_paine]

63. Well, being a Tyranny Party "activist" certainly makes THIS asshole a

traiotr.

A particularly bad one, too.

Hey "Bud", why the fuck do you hate America so?

[Piperay]

66. Repulsive

that a man who fought for his country would call another man who not only fought but was a hero a "traitor" just because he doesn't agree with his politics, that really makes me sick...it's shameful :puke:

[Isere]

70. Can we go back

and re-examine his decorations? Let's demand his file on a FOIA request and nibble it to death.

The time has come to say NO more of this shit!

[Disturbed]

77. Character Assasination.

This is what the full tilt attack on J. Kerry is about. The Neo Fascists have nothing to run on because they are miserable failures that have filled their own War coffers via the blood of others so they must destroy J. Kerry.

[Borgnine]

75. Yeah, and the Holocaust never happened.

Right?

[struggle4progress]

81. Have We Forgotten Anger in the Eyes?

By James L. Larocca .
James L. Larocca, a professor of public policy at
Southampton College, was a naval officer in Vietnam during 1967-68.
August 13, 2003

<snip>
The concept was simple enough: instead of surprising people with conventional gunfire during raids, the boats would first set the houses and buildings on fire with bows and arrows. The brass called this early version of "shock and awe" Operation Flaming Arrow.

Of course, the flimsy huts burned like matchbooks, leaving the families homeless and destitute. The next day, civil action teams of GIs would arrive bearing sheets of corrugated tin for new roofs and bags of rice to help the villagers get started again. There would also be bars of Dial soap and clothing from church groups in the states.

I remember a particular time when, with the fires still smoldering in the stultifying heat of a Delta morning, the teams distributed boxes of heavy sweaters.

I'm sure the church folks back home felt good about their gifts. But we shared with the villagers a sense of absolute mystification at a policy that would burn down people's homes in the middle of the night, then give them tin and soap and sweaters to rebuild their lives.

Our government called it "pacification." We called it madness. It all has come back to me while watching the news from Iraq, where we should be applying more of the lessons so painfully learned in Vietnam. Instead, we seem to be repeating our mistakes.
<snip>

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[oasis]

82. "Bud" Day has a new nickname: "Payday".

:eyes:

[agincourt]

84. I guess this is on of the reasons,

I had favored Dean over Kerry, they would have just called Dean a draft-dodger like Clinton, and that would have been the end of it. To see these decorated vets eating one of their own for the bush-fuhrer is one of the most sickening sights I've seen in awhile. Support your country honorably 30 years ago, and then go to bat for that piece of texas ratshit,it's just infuriating. My respect for for any veteran for bush is nil right now.

[trumad]

86. Now that I know Conservative Underground is monitoring this thread

I just want them to know that I enjoyed having my way with their dissatisfied washed up wives. They were so god damn horny and when I showed them that there's more than the traditional style they fainted in unison.

[foo_bar]

87. is ex-Iowan like ex-parrot?