Dole Questions Kerry's Vietnam Wounds

[Nambe]

By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer

Former Republican Sen. Bob Dole suggested Sunday that John Kerry apologize for past testimony before Congress about alleged atrocities during the Vietnam War and joined critics of the Democratic presidential candidate who say he received an early exit from combat for "superficial wounds." Dole also called on Kerry to release all the records of his service in Vietnam. ..

Dole added: "And here's, you know, a good guy, a good friend. I respect his record. But three Purple Hearts and never bled that I know of. I mean, they're all superficial wounds. Three Purple Hearts and you're out." ..

"Senator Kerry carries shrapnel in his thigh as distinct from President Bush who carries two fillings in his teeth from his service in the Alabama National Guard, which seems to be his only time that he showed up," John Podesta, former chief of staff in the Clinton White House, said on ABC's "This Week." ..

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[htuttle]

1. Yawn...

Shut up, Bob.

[Yogi]

7. Bob Dole not even much of a tool.

n/t

[DulceDecorum]

21. Well, since you tried to bring it up.....

WARNING
GRAPHIC LINK
http://fotm.rotten.com/fotm/ruler-says.html

[UnderPaidMinion]

65. That's disgusting

I just lost my appetite.

[TahitiNut]

70. Was the water cold?

:eyes:

[Sugarbleus]

41. LOL n/t

[TheDebbieDee]

49. Bob Dole should take 2 Viagra................

See Liddy, make her smile twice and then roll over and STFU!

[volosong]

56. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME AND ENERGY ON DOLE

He's only a small fish. Not worth going after in my opinion.

We should concentrate on the big crappers and the media.

[lottie244]

63. They were "atrocities" not "alleged atrocities"

Our soldiers did some damndable things in Viet Nam and Dole knows it.
Just because you can't admit that you were wrong, doesn't mean you weren't.

[whistle]

2. Bullshit, ask Dole to tell George Bush to make his medical records

...public. Republican prick!:grr:

[Kukesa]

39. There ya go, whistle. Great idea! n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

3. For a bonafide war hero, Bob sure is...

...dishonest and dishonorable!!! :grr:

[Democat]

4. After Democrats showed so much respect for Dole's self inflicted wounds

Unbelievable how low the Republican party has sunk.

Sometimes you just wish Kerry would walk up to one of these guys and kick their asses.

Dole is Bush's little ass kisser.

[UnderPaidMinion]

68. Is this true?

I thought he was in a plane crash.

[Gregorian]

5. OK, when do we start getting serious about the AWOL issue?!

Bush was AWOL.
A dishonorable discharge is what he has to his name.

Traitor in the White House, America! Anybody listening?

[wryter2000]

6. That's really disappointing

Can't he imagine how he would have felt if Clinton had belittled his war record? They're all disgusting.

[bvar22]

8. John Kerry left Vietnam after 4 months....

... INTO HIS SECOND (2ND) FUCKING TOUR!!!!
ASSHOLES!

[WillyT]

30. Amen !!! - Why Isn't This A Standard Dem Response ???

I yell that phrase at the TV during EVERY discussion of the Smearboat Vets. And those defending Kerry, NEVER BRING IT UP!!!

What the hell is going on???

:wtf:

[DeepModem Mom]

9. LINK TO DOLE'S WEBSITE CONTACT PAGE --

thanks to Proud2BAmurkan, who posted it in GD2004:

http://www.bobdole.org/contact.html

Kerry's service meets the standards of Max Cleland and John McCain, both of whom have denounced the Swift Boat Liars -- what's up with Dole, so to speak???

[Career Prole]

20. Done...sent the following:

Senator Dole,
I am disappointed beyond words at your stance against John Kerry. The whole thing is distasteful, but I had considered you above the fray somehow. That started to slip during CNN's coverage of the Democratic convention but now...now you're just another Limbaugh. You have lost my respect, sir.
You have chosen politics over honor.

(Name Withheld From Freeper Lurkers)
Proud Navy Veteran
Abilene, TX

[Mizmoon]

42. In a sense, it's not worth the effort

The man has no shame.

[Lizzie Borden]

47. Thanks

for posting that address.

[Name removed]

10. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Fovea]

11. I have always paid close attention to Bob Dole's opinion

on such matters, ever since the junior senator showed up outside the White House with the statement that he had talked to president Nixon, and he could assure America of his innocence.

[Dickie Flatt]

12. B/C '04 says no question about Kerry service, but Dole was a campaign prop

U.S. Senator Bob Dole Announces Bush-Cheney '04 National Veterans Leadership Team. That's a B/C '04 news release.

[oneighty]

13. Dear Bob Dole

I read in a national magazine that you avoided the draft as long as possible during WW2. I also read that your first purple heart was caused by an errant hand grenade which YOU TOSSED YOUR VERY OWN SELF and were wounded by shrapnel from that very same hand grenade and that said wound was treated with a band-aid and that you returned forthwith to duty. The article went on to dispute the truth of your second serious wound for which I am sincerely sorry, but still?

Now YOU are criticizing a fellow veteran, questioning his courage.

Well Sir I question yours.

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[starroute]

17. Self-inflicted by his own admission

"He ruefully confesses in his 1988 autobiography that his wound was self-inflicted: 'As we approached the enemy, there was a brief exchange of gunfire. I took a grenade in hand, pulled the pin, and tossed it in the direction of the farmhouse. It wasn't a very good pitch (remember, I was used to catching passes, not throwing them). In the darkness, the grenade must have struck a tree and bounced off. It exploded nearby, sending a sliver of metal into my leg -- the sort of injury the Army patched up with Mercurochrome and a Purple Heart.' The wound was so minor that he led another patrol two nights later."

http://www.tedellis.net/dole-article.htm

[oneighty]

25. Yes.

Thank you. Boy I wish I had kept that article.

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[LisaL]

28. That's where they stole it!

The swifters are lying that John Kerry's wound was inflicted the same way.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

14. Bob Dole also killed his Radio Operator too.

Not too "brave" to kill one of your own comrads Mr. Dole, now is it?

:puke:

[LauraK]

15. GOOD for the AP Writer!!

I have read several articles on Dole's appearence today and This writer went our of his way to nail him where it hurt.

PETE YOST rocks. Is that why you put his name in there Nambe?

[RamboLiberal]

16. DU'er Starroute posted this great info in thread on GD 2004

Dole's War Record
As published in The Nation (Aug12/19, 1996).
http://www.tedellis.net/dole-article.htm

Most journalistic accounts of Dole's wartime experience pass along, without questioning, the versions from several biographies, some based on interviews with him; some from interviews with the same soldiers who were interviewed for those books; some from the autobiography Dole wrote with his wife, Elizabeth, The Doles: Unlimited Partners, an updated version of which was published in time for the campaign; and some from G.O.P. campaign literature. Although these sources sometimes contradict one another, the following composite picture of Dole's combat exploits emerges:

<snip>

* Slightly wounded on a night patrol by a grenade, he returned to lead his platoon on a second patrol only two days later.

<snip>

Yet all of the above is either untrue or exaggerated. Dole's first wound, in the night patrol, was self-inflicted (a story the candidate once told himself), but that fact does not appear in an extremely laudatory profile the G.O.P. distributes with a cover letter by Dole.

<snip>

# He ruefully confesses in his 1988 autobiography that his wound was self-inflicted: "As we approached the enemy, there was a brief exchange of gunfire. I took a grenade in hand, pulled the pin, and tossed it in the direction of the farmhouse. It wasn't a very good pitch (remember, I was used to catching passes, not throwing them). In the darkness, the grenade must have struck a tree and bounced off. It exploded nearby, sending a sliver of metal into my leg -- the sort of injury the Army patched up with Mercurochrome and a Purple Heart." The wound was so minor that he led another patrol two nights later. He does not mention that others were also injured by his misguided throw -- which Woodruff's account attributes to an enemy machine gun.

[Briar]

18. What the...?

"Bob Dole suggested Sunday that John Kerry apologize for past testimony before Congress about alleged atrocities during the Vietnam War."

Apologise for telling the truth?

Oh yeah, real patriots and heroes don't talk about the atrocities. They join in with the pretense that they haven't happened.

[aquart]

19. Bob Dole is both impotent AND pathetic.

And he didn't support his wife's career. A pig, in fact.

[democrat_patriot]

22. Kerry=Schrapnel *=2 fillings

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Amaya]

23. Dole is a good example

of what happens when you pop too much Viagra.

[IndianaGreen]

24. This is all very ugly!

Bod Dole is an authentic American hero, just as much as Kerry is.

We should have never reawakened the ghosts of the Vietnam War. This is all very ugly and it is going to get uglier.

While we are refighting a war that ended 30 years ago, people are getting killed in Iraq and neither Bush nor Kerry want to talk about the carnage we have unleashed over there.

Let's get back to the issues that our country faces today!

[LisaL]

26. Hmm.

Viagra must be no longer working for him.
:spank:

[oneighty]

46. Yes it is ugly.

And the 'Hero' thing is bandied about too lightly.

In a sense all who serve are heroes, some have more courage, some have less courage, some have poor luck and become accidental 'heroes', some cut and run and never speak of their experiences, some tell lies and are wannabee heroes.

There are many types.

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[Media_Lies_Daily]

54. Please send your concerns to Bob Dole.

[alcuno]

58. Here's his email address and my short email.

Dear Senator Dole, I found your questioning of John Kerry's Purple Hearts to be absolutely disgusting. I know that you were wounded in war but you talk as if you received shrapnel in your head. Please apologize.

http://www.bobdole.org/

[geek tragedy]

60. Fuck Bush for pitting veteran against veteran!

Uniter not a divider, my ass! Chickenhawk scum.

[IndianaGreen]

62. Vietnam was a very divisive war

We are now seeing that the wounds have not totally healed. This is a sad distraction from the war that is taking place right now in Iraq, and we have deep divisions about that one as well.

[dweller]

74. but the healing is coming, imo

with Kerry in the Whitehouse 04.

dp

[IndianaGreen]

78. The healing came with the Gulf War in 1991

but somehow, the wounds have been reopened today.

Meanwhile, we have another war in Iraq that is a bigger quagmire than Vietnam. People are dying while we debate a war that ended 30 years ago! How do we get out of Iraq?

[iamjoy]

27. This Makes Me Sick

For several reasons. Why should we question Bob Dole's war record? Why should we care if it was an enemy grenade or a grenade he carelessly threw? Let's just say, hypothetically, the military gives Purple Hearts too easily. Why should we criticize the men who earned/received them? They served in combat. Period. But, when Bob Dole decides to criticize Senator Kerry, he opens himself up for the same scrutiny.

I thought Willie Horton was the lowest thing I'd seen. Then, the whole smear job on Clinton made the Horton business look like nothing. Relatively speaking, they were easy on Al Gore, attributing quotes he never said and then calling him a liar or "serial exaggerator." Then, they dared to criticize Senator Cleland, comparing him to bin Laden (or was it Hussein?) and Ann Coulter even saying he wasn't a hero for losing three limbs because he lost them dropping a grenade when he was drunk.

And now this. Fuck, they're low. But, Bob Dole? It makes me so angry, it makes me want to cry. I expected this from Bush/Rove.

[LisaL]

29. YEP

It's very upsetting.
Bob Dole must have gone senile.
Kerry never bled?
Is Dole suggesting he was an eyewitness to Kerry's wounds to know that?
Only proves that all repukes are disgusting-even the best of them.

[brook]

50. Coming from Dole...

really upset me also. I emailed him that any respect I had for him was gone. Turns out he's just another waterboy for chimperoo.

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. Dole also

criticized the swift liars. But that hasn't been mentioned in anything I have read about this appearance. If I hadn't seen it, I would never have known.

[lancdem]

36. Of course that never makes it into the story

Par for the course from our "liberal" media.

[Octafish]

32. Then-US Rep. Dole helped Vietnam War last longer.

A stooge for Big Oil and Archer-Daniels Midland, the turd Dole said the latter half of the 20th century was "The Age of Nixon."

[Skittles]

33. DOLE YOU STUPID BASTARD

KERRY HAS NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR; HE DID THE RIGHT THING. DAMN I CANNOT BELIEVE THE GALL OF THESE F***ING REPUBLICANS - IT'S GOT TO BE SOME FORM OF SICKNESS.

[Lefty48197]

34. Fry in hell Dole. You've earned it.

Be sure to toss a couple of lumps of coal onto the fire under Ronald Reagan for me, eh?

[PurityOfEssence]

35. Let's talk about how many times Dole avoided the draft until he couldn't

any longer. Sure, he legitimately got clobbered while attacking Axis forces in Italy, but if he's going to be picky about things, let's bring up his repeated attempts at draft dodging (in what was an obviously moral war, not a questionable one) and his action under fire. If he's going to be a shithead about it, point out that his faulty leadership may have something to do with his injuries.

Yeah, it's a low blow, but so is Dole's, and it's scorched earth time with these desperate monarchists.

This is just shameful.

[tabasco]

66. My mother told me during WWII ...

NONE of the men in her college had to be drafted. They all volunteered. All my uncles and my dad volunteered. Dole must have been a real pussy to have been drafted. He is complete scum IMO. Just another tool of the ruling rich elite.

[are_we_united_yet]

37. And why aren't we

questioning Shrub and Hearltess Dick's military contributions?

[tuvor]

38. Funny.

This was in the Boston Globe today.

IMAGINE IF supporters of Bill Clinton had tried in 1996 to besmirch the military record of his opponent, Bob Dole. After all, Dole was given a Purple Heart for a leg scratch probably caused, according to one biographer, when a hand grenade thrown by one of his own men bounced off a tree. And while the serious injuries Dole sustained later surely came from German fire, did the episode demonstrate heroism on Dole's part or a reckless move that ended up killing his radioman and endangering the sergeant who dragged Dole off the field?

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2004/08/22/big_lies_for_bush/

[daa]

40. Dole fakes arm injury to get elected

Bob Dole go fuck yourself. What an absolute phoney. Hey Dole, what's with your arm? Are you faking that you piece of republican slime.

You are no longer a hero to me but a piece od bush garbage, just like him.l How the hell do you look in the mirror?

Why is it that that on ly 3 republicans actually served and all 3, Miller, Dole, McCain denegrrate and disparage Viet Nam vets. We were treated like this back then and now its deja vu. You can bet your ass I will never serve again.

[Sugarbleus]

43. Son of a.....!! I agree with every poster here. WTF?

I'm really disappointed in that old fart. This is so intense, it makes me wonder what the hell they are REALLY hiding?? What is so damned important to them that they, even supposedly honorable men, stoop soooo low!?

This is mindboggling and outrageous. :nuke:

I thank the vet herein that wrote to Dole; your words were spot on.

[lebkuchen]

44. General Bell was in Wuerzburg Army Hospital passing out Purple Hearts

two weeks ago.

I'd like to see Bob Dole come to Wuerzburg and tell the medal recipients that their wounds are superficial.

[NashVegas]

45. Talking Points Memo Has Dole's Number

In a 1988 campaign-trail autobiography, here's how Dole described the incident that earned him his first Purple Heart: "As we approached the enemy, there was a brief exchange of gunfire. I took a grenade in hand, pulled the pin, and tossed it in the direction of the farmhouse. It wasn't a very good pitch (remember, I was used to catching passes, not throwing them). In the darkness, the grenade must have struck a tree and bounced off. It exploded nearby, sending a sliver of metal into my leg--the sort of injury the Army patched up with Mercurochrome and a Purple Heart."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[Media_Lies_Daily]

53. Good one....has Dole apologized for taking that Purple Heart?

[Dr Fate]

71. BUSTED. What a hypocrite.

n/t

[MagickMuffin]

48. Just Another Case of

Grand Ole Projectionist...
I have been saying that for awhile, that everything they say is just their way of projection....
So, whatever they say they are just projecting what they are, it's pretty obvious to those of us who can read between the lines

[Media_Lies_Daily]

51. Gosh, I didn't realize Dole also lost his brain during WWII....

...I also remember when Dole trashed Clinton's mom...Clinton never let up on Dole after that.

[indie_voter]

52. This is disgusting. WTF is Dole's problem? n/t

[MaryBear]

55. "... a good guy, a good friend. I respect his record."

"But three Purple Hearts and never bled that I know of. I mean, they're all superficial wounds. Three Purple Hearts and you're out."

Your kind of friendship and respect, I can do without, Mr. Dole. Shame on you! I keep forgetting how mean and nasty you can be in a campaign. Shame on me!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

57. Bob Dole

The same guy who in the 1976 Vice Presidential debate with Walter Mondale called WWII a Democrat's war. He's always putting his foot in his mouth.

Hey Bob, change your Depends and take some Viagra. I think Libby has needs you should attend to.

[0007]

64. Anyone who'd screw Libby should be put in for the medal of honor

[UnderPaidMinion]

67. Is that a bumper sticker?

Where can it be found?

[MaryBear]

73. uh uh uh uh

pardon me but this seems . . . misogynistic. I take it the two of them are disliked? Mr. & Mrs. Dole?

[deacon]

59. Well Bob, I declare your war injuries self-inflicted, you lied n/t

[SayitAintSo]

61. Dole should be ashamed for shilling for Bush in this way....

He just eliminated any semblance of honor or credibility he had left with his doubt casting meanness. I'd like to see his good friend the Big Dog kick his ass for such partisan bull shit. Thought he had moved past that into more statesman like behavior.

[nolabels]

69. I would like to question why a GOP presidential nominee that..........

would get up on the TeeVee trying to hawk Viagra would want to be taken seriously :think:

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/150/

[Gyre]

72. Senile fuckless nut alert!

Go cheney yerself bob! As usual you're out of your depth.

Gyre

[Tight_rope]

75. Screw Bob Dole...he's a boot licking ass kisser for Bush!

[Geo55]

76. POS stalking horse...

notice anything about the economy , OIL spike , Iraq going down the shitter?

[daleo]

77. This is really pathetic

Parsing and questioning the stories of combat, measuring the amount of blood lost, arguing about the depth of wounds - it is hard to believe that a political campaign could sink to these depths. I didn't think Dole would go along with this type of despicable analysis.

I don't like war, but anyone who gets stuck in one, and especially anyone who gets wounded in one deserves a certain amount of respect and sympathy. Dole ought to know that, after what he went through.