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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 07:29 AM
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NYT: The State of the George W. Bush Joke (anti-Bush humor)
The State of the George W. Bush Joke



Will Ferrell, in flight suit, as President Bush at a benefit for the Natural Resources Defense Council in Los Angeles this spring. The impersonation has shifted from a bumbler to an ideologue.


By JASON ZENGERLE
Published: August 22, 2004


....To mangle a presidential line, the state of the George W. Bush joke is mean and partisan. On late-night shows, in political advertisements and in the fertile new realm of Internet comedy, jokes about the president are much harsher than were the jokes about his father or Bill Clinton, or even the jokes that were circulating when George W. Bush first took office. Back then, the president was teased about poor syntax and low I.Q. Now many Bush jokes portray the president as an irresponsible, duplicitous menace. In part, this change is due to an increasingly unpopular war and an unsteady economy. It also may be that all comedy has become harsher in recent years. But partly it is because, since Mr. Bush took office, the left has belatedly rediscovered humor as a political tool.

The best indicator of the state of George W. Bush humor may be Will Ferrell. Like Mr. Carvey, Mr. Ferrell made a name for himself playing a President Bush on "Saturday Night Live." Initially, Mr. Ferrell's impersonation was also of the kinder and gentler variety. During the 2000 campaign and the president's first years in office, Mr. Ferrell's Bush was a harmless, amiable dunce — a man who answered "strategery" when asked to sum up his candidacy in one word, and who played with a ball of twine while his brother Jeb and Al Gore discussed the disputed election....It's doubtful anyone at the White House is laughing along with Mr. Ferrell now. Although he left "Saturday Night Live" in 2002, Mr. Ferrell recently reprised his Bush impersonation, first at a fund-raiser for the environmental organization the Natural Resources Defense Council in May and then in an Internet advertisement for the liberal political group America Coming Together released late last month. (The ad can be viewed at http://whitehousewest.com.) As Mr. Ferrell plays him today, the president is still a dunce, entranced by his Gameboy and terrified of a horse grazing innocently nearby. But he has become an ideologue. "There are certain liberal agitators out there who'd like you to believe my administration is not doing such a good job," he warns in the ad. "Of course, these are people such as Howard Stern, Richard Clark and the news."...

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Jon Stewart, the host of "The Daily Show," has repeatedly insisted that he's nonpartisan ("I'm a Whig," he recently told Fox News). But lately his Bush jokes have started to seem like a sustained argument with the president, as when Mr. Bush recently made a speech in which he declared, eight times, that as a result of the war in Iraq "America is safer." Speaking directly to a videotaped image of the president, Mr. Stewart demanded: "What criteria are you using to prove this? What evidence is there other than you saying it?" But thanks to a montage, the president only repeated the claim. "So that's what it comes down to," Mr. Stewart intoned. "The Bush administration's strategy to fight terrorism is repetition."...

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.... the recent success of Mr. Stewart, as well as best-selling authors like Michael Moore and Al Franken, may have convinced Democratic strategists of the value of comedy. "One of the reasons people get involved in politics is social," says Sarah Leonard, a spokeswoman for the liberal group America Coming Together, which is running anti-Bush voter registration drives in 17 swing states. "And people want to belong to something that's fun and has a lot of energy behind it."...And it's not just political pros putting Bush jokes to political use. The spirit seems to have also taken hold at the grass roots. When MoveOn held a "Bush in 30 Seconds" contest last fall in which it asked people to come up with their own anti-Bush ads, it received more than 1,500 submissions — a number of them making their political points with humor....This same lightheartedness will be on display among some of the protesters at the Republican National Convention next week. "Billionaires for Bush," for example — the political street theater group that features protestors in tuxes and ball gowns chanting slogans like "Blood for Oil" and "Small Government, Big Wars" — has planned a "Million Billionaire March" and a "Vigil for Corporate Welfare."...The greatest evidence of this new jokey spirit on the left can be found on the Internet, which is home to hundreds if not thousands of independent sites put up by random people who happen to have a political grudge and a sense of humor. Shortly after 9/11, David Rees launched a cartoon strip called "Get Your War On" (www.mnftiu.cc /mnftiu.cc/war.html). While the mainstream media were still waving flags and speaking in hushed tones, Mr. Rees was attracting a devoted following for his devastatingly sarcastic take on the news....The strip eventually migrated beyond the Web into a book and onto the pages of Rolling Stone magazine....But perhaps the greatest limitation of the Bush joke as a political tool is that its audience is self-selecting. "Humor is used to incite the faithful, not convince swing voters," says MoveOn's Laura Dawn....


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/22/arts/television/X22ZENG.html
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 07:33 AM
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1. when it's anti-Bush, the stories are analytical
but when it's anti-Kerry, they don't analyze, they internalize the criticism and suggest Kerry deserves it.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 07:34 AM
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2. gag
Edited on Sun Aug-22-04 07:40 AM by thebigidea
"the state of the George W. Bush joke is mean and partisan"

Funny, that. Considering that the state of George W. Bush is mean and partisan.

"the left has belatedly rediscovered humor as a political tool."

Let me just belatedly undiscover my humor and simply say: Oh, fuck that. I REPEAT: FUCK THAT. Fuck you, Jason Zengerle.

Also, Ferrell's "change in tone" is caused by the fact that he's not being muzzled by SNL's decayed sense of so-called humor. Their anemic political comedy has been braindead for years.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 01:31 PM
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12. Great post! I agree on everything!
Especially about snl "so-called humor"

Yes the state of humor regarding bush does reflect bush himself.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 07:36 AM
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3. Harsher than the Clinton jokes?
Well.........maybe. But we'd need six or eight years of these jokes to be able to make a valid comparison, wouldn't we?

:evilgrin:
dbt

Hi, Mom!
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 10:20 AM
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8. I think the writer was asleep during the Clinton years..
.. he survived the most vile "jokes", and they STILL circulate.
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 07:38 AM
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4. We know more now
"Back then, the president was teased about poor syntax and low I.Q. Now many Bush jokes portray the president as an irresponsible, duplicitous menace."

More people are getting a handle on the truth.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 01:34 PM
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13. This writer did bring out, however inadvertanly, that
bush is a "irresponsible, duplicitous menace."

I'm going to have to try and remember that!

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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:05 AM
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5. Bush is the joke, his tom-foolery has ruined our once great country
and where is he today? VACATION...he is the jester pResident. I'm embarassed by him, he's like watching a train wreck. We have a mad man in the oval office, credibility hasn't been restored, Bush has lowered the bar even further. I'll say it again, The Mean Team vs. The Dream Team....no one has to ask which team is which.
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Lizzie Borden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 03:54 PM
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23. Here here!
n/t
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:18 AM
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6. Mommy, the liberals are SO MEEEEEANNNN!
Waaaaahhhhhhh! :cry:
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GOPEC Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 10:14 AM
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7. Mean and only "very mildly funny at best and plain old stupid at worst."
At least, that's how my site (toostupidtobepresident.com) was described. I may be stupid, but I didn't buy the lies of Chalabi and the administration.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 02:38 PM
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16. GOPEC, your response is brilliant! Hope you don't mind my posting it...
here:

Top 11 reasons The New York Times described TooStupidToBePresident.com as "very mildly funny at best and plain old stupid at worst." - 08/22/04

11. The Times doesn't get a lot of things.

10. Story based on notes of Jayson Blair.

9. The Times' Judith Miller offended by TooStupidtoBePresident.com's "Top 11 New York bridges purchased by Judith Miller."

8. Miffed by TooStupidToBePresident.com's ridicule of The Times' "plain old stupid" aluminum tube exclusive (see The Oily Grail cartoon from February 2002).

7. Scooped by TooStupidToBePresident.com's early 2002 mentions of the now infamous August 6 Presidential Daily Briefing (PBD) ( Star Trek: The Wrath of Condi and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre).

6. TooStupidToBePresident.com was so "stupid" that it didn't believe the administration's WMD claims, as any intelligent publication would have.

5. The Times has a humor chip on its shoulder because it doesn't have a comics page.

4. Transference: The Old Gray Lady doesn't have the ovaries to offer that criticism of the administration.

3. Inside joke: CIA operatives planted at The Times are at odds with those planted at TooStupidToBePresident.com.

2. TooStupidToBePresident.com is a media force too big to be ignored by the one-time newspaper of record.

1. Ahmad Chalabi said so.


LOL!!!
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GOPEC Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 03:48 PM
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21. Of course I don't mind, DeepModem Mom!
But, I was prouder of the link back to the article, "TooStupidToBePresident.com deemed 'very mildly funny at best' by very mildly reliable New York Times."
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 03:50 PM
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22. You got 'em!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 03:37 PM
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20. Who did?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 10:28 AM
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9. Who is this whiney Zengerle? From this article he would appear to be
Edited on Sun Aug-22-04 10:32 AM by merh
a 23 year old spoiled frat boy (revenge of the nerds or animal house type) that is upset that the mean ole dems and liberals are making fun of his frat brother in the same way that he and his brothers tormented others.

The elite don't like to have done to them what they "by birth, wealth and position" are entitled to do to others.

"jokes about the president are much harsher than were the jokes about his father or Bill Clinton"

I am sure the big dawg and his family take exception to this lie, I mean line in the article. Anyway, can't help it if the weed gives the comics such easy material to use. I mean sovereign means sovereign and if you are sovereign you are sovereign.

I betcha this zengerle guy would be much happier if he switched from Kool Aid to ice tea or milk or water. That Kool Aid messes with you after awhile, fella.

On Edit: I am sure the lurch and botox jokes of the conservative pukes like Dennis Miller are just good clean fun, not mean at all, no sure "we're just pickin'!"
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 10:54 AM
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10. Zengerle's "New Republic" bio --
Edited on Sun Aug-22-04 10:55 AM by DeepModem Mom
SENIOR EDITOR, New Republic
Jason Zengerle

Jason Zengerle has been with the magazine since 1997. He is a 1996 honors graduate of Swarthmore College with a B.A. in political science and a minor in art history.

A Washington D.C. native, Zengerle has also held the posts of associate editor, managing editor, assistant editor, and reporter-researcher at The New Republic. Prior to joining The New Republic, he was an assistant editor at The American Prospect. He writes about urban and racial politics, the environment, the media, and many other issues. His writing has appeared in The New York Times magazine, The New York Times Book Review, Motherjones, Newsweek, Slate, Salon, and The Texas Monthly.

http://www.tnr.com/showBio.mhtml?pid=19

The article does have a very curious point of view. And, given his bio, how could Zengerle be so clueless as to think Bush jokes "meaner" than Clinton jokes???
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 01:36 PM
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14. bush is meaner than Clinton so the jokes should
be meaner. I never listened to any Clinton jokes so I don't know.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 01:25 PM
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11. that's an awesome photo!
In a recent interview in GQ, Ferrell said that if he were still on SNL, he would want to show Bush dressed in a flight suit all the time -- school visits, meeting foreign dignitaries, etc. -- just to show how ridiculous he looked.

Great that he actually worked it into his act!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 01:39 PM
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15. I love Will Ferrell! I remember they interviewed him
when he was doing the snl bush schtick and he said he voted for Gore!

He's on my tube right now with the sound off in "A Night At The Roxbury" looking all stupid with Chris Kattan.:D
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 02:44 PM
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17. Anyone know where Frank Rich has been?
I've enjoyed some of his NYT stories (most tend to be anti *) in the Entertainment Section of the Sunday times, but he has been AWOL recently....is he due back soon?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 02:51 PM
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18. Probably Aug. vacation -- Still can't believe they took Rich off the op-ed
page. He has a lot of important things to say, and I think they're missed by a lot of people because they don't look at the Arts Section.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 03:32 PM
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19. If the jokes have gotten meaner, its cause the reality behind them....
has gotten meaner.

As for the Left rediscovering our humor, hey, we've always been the funny
ones! Even Dennis Miller was funny before he became a paid stooge.

When conservatives try to be humorous, they tend to retain the meaness and
miss the part of actually being funny.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 05:23 PM
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24. I Admit, I Laughed At Some Of The Clinton Jokes
you know, they were usually about his sex life, and I guess I have the sense of humor of an adolescent.

But, I laugh at the Bush jokes too (and not the ones from Whoopi Goldberg) and the Bush jokes are certainly sharper (if not meaner) than the ones about Clinton. But then, Bush just makes it soooo easy.
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