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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:04 PM
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US forces postpone attack on holy city
12/08/04
US forces postpone attack on holy city

By Todd Pitman, Najaf
US TROOPS yesterday postponed a planned offensive to root out Shi'ite militiamen they have been battling for a week in the holy Iraqi city of Najaf.

The militant Mahdi Army's leader, cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, urged his followers to battle on even if he is killed.

Fighting persisted in the vast cemetery near Najaf's holiest site, the Imam Ali Shrine, where US commanders say Mahdi Army militiamen have been holed up.

Gunbattles between militants and coalition forces in two other southern cities killed 18 people.

In Najaf, the US Marines said earlier in the day that they were training Iraqi security forces in preparation to launch a major assault to root out the fighters.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:09 PM
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1. Field Commanders Taking Charge?
i always thought the field commanders pulled us back from the brink in faluja... how bout now?

r they looking out for their own interest or did the politicos act?

dissent from the officer corps on the tactics being used to fight the Iraq


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5662745 /

By Michael Moran
Brave New World Columnist MSNBC
Updated: 4:03 p.m. ET Aug. 10, 2004 In the grim calculus of the Iraq war, August already is shaping up as a particularly ugly month for the U.S.-led coalition. Only 10 days into August, 25 American troops have lost their lives, 21 of them in combat.

What to make of such figures is a question troubling the nation at many levels – in politics, the media, in the military itself and, of course, among the families of those fighting in Iraq. Has Saddam’s fall made America safer? Was it worth all the deaths and casualties absent weapons of mass destruction? Does it matter whether Iraq emerges as a democracy, or is it enough to put “our bastard” in place of the one America toppled?

But the debate likely to have the most direct affect on the death toll is raging inside the cadre of officers commanding Army and Marine units inside Iraq. More than a year of aggressive patrols and counter-insurgency tactics have failed to slow the insurgency, and as a result an increasing number of officers are questioning the military’s core strategy: maintaining a high-profile in Iraq’s cities and villages in order to bring security, and ultimately, democracy to Iraq.

In fact, many officers are now saying the tactics adopted by American forces since Saddam’s regime fell last year are more suited to peacekeeping in regions where conflicts have already run their course than occupying a nation with an active insurgency. Aside from rare full out confrontations with enemy forces, like the battles raging right now with Shiite militants in Najaf, the emphasis on being a "presence" in Iraqi neighborhoods is being questioned.

“It seems to me we are provoking more than we are deterring,” says an officer with the 82nd Airborne Division who is serving in Iraq and asked not to be named. “We wind up getting shot at, and then we shoot back, and that means people who are just in the way wind up getting killed.”

A growing number of officers advocate pulling American troops back to a few large garrisons, from which they can launch missions in strength in support of Iraqi security forces. While not yet official policy – indeed it is fiercely opposed by some in the Pentagon and the Army -- the idea was lent some weight recently by Gen. Peter Schoomaker, the Army’s chief of staff, who told the House Armed Services Committee last month that “exposing more and more of your formation to this kind of warfare may not be the smartest thing to do. And we’re looking and working very hard to do that through the commanders over there.” <snip>

more...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5662745 /

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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:36 PM
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2. It's a dominance thing
Edited on Wed Aug-11-04 09:37 PM by teryang
Senior military officers in particular confuse their behind the lines machismo with meaningful tactics. Hey! Go out there and show these s...n......rs who's boss!

However, the whole strategy was an ideological conquest and dominance move based upon chauvinism and blissful indifference to international law from the beginning. None of these people believe in diplomacy, persuasion and finesse. They believe in the bandwagon. And when that doesn't work, they believe in slaughter.

Might makes right, right? Negroponte is a hatchet man who believes in killing people to establish dominance like those who direct him and appreciate his dispicable services. But this isn't Guatemala, Honduras, or Nicaragua.

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 10:06 PM
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4. i wonder how much restraint the neoCONs will muster
i doubt though that hole in up in large garrisons will do much good either if they controll the supply lines :shrug:

:hi:

peace
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 10:06 PM
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3. Newsflash from Montana Territory
"In the wake of the Little Bighorn fight, it is probable that Colonel Custer will not pursue further offensives against the hostiles in the immediate future." --Murdoch (Texas) Foxtail, July 6, 1876
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