Ninety lashes for adultery - UAE - let's attack and kill this evil regime!

[dArKeR]

An appeals court in the United Arab Emirates has upheld a sentence of 90 lashes and deportation handed down on a 15-year-old expatriate girl for committing adultery, a newspaper reported Sunday.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1403420,00.html

http://darkerxdarker.tripod.com/

[Nay]

1. Really. Let's. This place is a hellhole, and as deserving of attack as Ira

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. I want to know what the punishment

was for the man. I agree that this is a harsh and draconian punishment. Wonder why she hasn't sought political asylum in a foreign embassy? Since she's an expatriot, she must have ties to some foreign country.

On another note-if this were Saudi Arabia, she and her lover would be beheaded.

[dArKeR]

3. Someone has to find a detailed story. What nationality was the girl?

Being only 15, what year did she enter UAE? When did she get married? What kind of VISA did she enter UAE with?

This sounds strange! I wonder if she was bought as a bride on the international female child market? There is much more to this story. It's definetly worth Bush dropping at least one nuke on the UEA.

[phgnome]

30. Retarded inmates on death row

Perhaps the US deserves at least one nuke dropped on it, as well then, because it puts retarded people on death row and executes them in electric chairs and gas chambers. </sarcasm>

[0007]

4. LOL!!

........and if a theif is caught stealing they cut off his hand, 'eh? The moral of the story is ya just don't find many with missing
hands. So which is faster the hand or the eye?

The Carlyle boys know all about these kind of things. Let's ask 'em, 'eh?

[sham]

5. but...but the UAE is a Democracy!

They're not like the rest of those heathen Arabs! They're proof that Amurkkka's brand of Democracy works in the ME!

/sarcasm off

[dArKeR]

6. A little more info but no details. Cover-up

http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=95354

[premjan]

7. UAE

you have to stick to the laws of the land.
nothing wrong with a few strict laws on adultery.
on the other hand, note: prostitution is rampant in the UAE.

[sham]

9. "nothing wrong with a few strict laws on adultery"

:wtf:
that statement is so fundamentally wrong I don't even know where to start.

I guess I'll start with this:
nothing wrong with beating the shit out of a 15 year old girl? are you fucking insane? I guess it's not your daughter so it doesn't matter, eh?

[phgnome]

31. You can't make foreign policy based on this

You would be at war with every single country in the world. Once you start intervening, do you intervene all the time? Do you propose to put guards at the doors of every woman on the planet to make sure she's not oppressed? Do we actually have the resources to do this?

Cultural rules like this are reformed when the social conditions are right. Look at the Chinese government -- they're going through massive reforms. They're beginning to give little freedoms to people a piece at a time (to not shock the system). To give total freedom all at once without adequate social infrastructure would cause anarchy, famine, and economic/social demise. Without adequate literacy levels, some of the more desperately profit-driven corporations (who have skimped on R+D during the boom for the sake of reporting higher profits) will go in there, keep those people illerate, give them contaminated water to drink, destroy their social order (and ability to organize to ensure their own human rights are met), and make them basically slaves.

They went through a similar "violating women's rights" phase and it was a result of increased literacy that women began entering the workforce and working legally. Economic independence for women in a society is the first step -- there must be lawyers who challenge the legal system in their country and give legitmate arguments so that it's changed in their laws. They must be given rights to own property. They must be literate, along with the men of the society so that the woman may intellectually fight for her equal place in society.

You cannot change it from here. You cannot change their minds with soldiers. The presence of soldiers will only reinforce oppression of women because it destroys the social infrastructure that will teach them to read and to think like a member of that society.

The girl may receive 90 lashes today and it WILL enrage her. More importantly, she will work 150 times harder to gain literacy skills, she will learn to read and write because she is enraged. She will use her familiarity with her culture and her rage to speak out against her social oppressors. She will use her language to speak to these women, they will unite, and they will fight the fight that's rightfully theirs. We cannot rob the society of this point in development. You cannot hurry the process. They must arrive at the ideology on their own. The ONLY thing we can do is to develop social program that will teach their women how to teach more women to read and write so that some will become lawyers. To send troops in to help them is cruel because the society will see the woman as the force that brought the enemy to their land and caused the country's demise. As soon as US troops leave, they will oppress their women with a billion times greater force to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

[1monster]

10. Ninety lashes could kill her.

Talk about torture to the death! And there's nothing wrong with that?

[colorado_ufo]

19. That's what I was thinking -

there will be nothing left to deport.

[dArKeR]

8. Gulf News daily, which withheld the girl's name and nationality

Under Islamic Sharia law, the penalty for adultery can range from flogging to stoning to death.

Its implementation varies among Muslim states.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s926226.htm

[leesa]

11. Yes!! Let's meet violence and ignorance with violence and ignorance!

You can't fight this with violence, when will Amerikans learn this???

[rook1]

13. I am confused

For weeks people have been ranting about the sovereignty of Iraq and how we should not have become involved in another nations business. Whether we agree with it or not nations have the right to deal with crime and punishment as they see fit. You can't have it both way's.

[sham]

14. you certainly are

I don't think anyone who finds the treatment of this girl disgusting is trying to have it both ways. What I believe (and I don't think that I am alone) is that there should be a standard of human rights in the world - that ALL people deserve that - and that the UAE is falling horribly short of those standards. We are not in Iraq to help them solve their human rights issues. Don't allow yourself to be misled.

And even if we WERE in Iraq on a human rights mission (which I reiterate, we are NOT), the way to accomplish it is through activism and grassroots organization of the people, not violence. Not war. Not murder.

"Whether we agree with it or not nations have the right to deal with crime and punishment as they see fit."

Wrong. Have you heard of the extermination of the Jews, or of child labor in developing countries, or of any of the other human rights atrocities of the past century? Are you saying we should just shut up and accept that those things happen, and that those people's governments have some sort of RIGHT to treat them that way?

[alaine]

16. If they violated the civil rights of males as the same rate

that they do females, then all the civilized countries of the world would have invaded them at once, or ended the Islamic fundamentalist revolution before it gained any speed in the 1970s.

Iraq is not a relevant example because Iraq was a secular state pre-invasion, not comparable to Muslim states.

There may be punishment, but there is no proof of crime. Any number of things could have happened, probably the least possible one is actual consensual sex. The woman could have been sentenced because of a rumor. She could have been betrothed, and then raped by someone other than her fiance, and now is deemed not marriage-worthy. Her fiance may have developed other interests and is looking for a way out of the marriage. He may have been angry at her and told a lie, or someone else who was angry at her may have lied. All of the above scenarios are more likely since there is no mention of punishment of the male. And all of these scenarios are common in Muslim countries where honor killings, which this
may turn out to be, are acceptable.

In the case of adultery the Koran calls for three eye-witnesses to the crime in order for the accused to be charged and prosecuted. So the world is supposed to believe that three people witnessed the young woman and her uncharged male partner copulate. Absolutely not, since he is not named as having been charged, which he certainly would have been had there been three eye witnesses. She is being used as an example to other women.

And I have to say, with regards to some of the nonchalant answers people have given, that there are some sick motherfuckers on this board.

[phgnome]

33. Are we talking about rape or adultery

Are we talking about rape or adultery? I was under the impression we were talking about adultery.

What we are doing is using the Western yardstick to gauge the UAE law. Hegemony -- imposing western values onto non-western countries. "Kill them all unless they agree with us." ??? Is that what we ought to do?

Are we seriously considering waging war that will kill hundreds of thousands of people because one girl got lashed 90 times for breaking a law in her country? Where will it stop?

[CBHagman]

35. BTW, sometimes rape is regarded as adultery

I kid you not. In some areas of the world, if a woman is raped, she is regarded as unchaste, as though she had been seduced or done the seducing herself.

Never mind that it makes no sense. Such are the practices and attitudes in some parts of the world.

[varun]

12. thats just sick!

Some of those middle eastern governments (more like monarchies) remind me of the "American Taliban" - who want to prohibit music and entertainment. They are not much different from the "Religious Right" here in the USA who want people punished for sodomy, adultery and fornication.

:puke:

[The Zanti Regent]

15. Let Bush take 90 lashes for impregnating a 15 year old girl

and forcing her to have an abortion!

[pfitz59]

17. Slavery and sexual bondage in Arab lands!

This issue is huge in UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, etc! "Marriage" brokers go to poor families in India, Pakistan, Malaysia etc and "buy" unwanted girls to sell as brides in Arabia! The girls become the 4th, or "disposable" wifes of wealthy businessmen and royalty. When the men tire of their toys they either divorce or deport the youngsters! The victims are powerless. They have no money, no passport and no legal standing. The young women inevitably wind up as prostitutes! (What other job for a "soiled dove".) Other forms of slavery exist for so-called "guest workers" who come in-country to work, and find themselves held in bondage. (Pasports confiscated, forced to pay for room and board exceeding wages, etc). Our Arab "allies" are hypocritical freaks! you have to see it to believe it! (I've seen it!)

[varun]

21. also very racist

these oil rich "Gulf" nations (most of them) also treat the "foreign workers" like slaves. Racism is very much alive there.

[JCMach1]

18. Adultery is sometimes a code for she was caught

being a Prostitute. Sad and sick, but true.

[colorado_ufo]

20. Is it too late for Amnesty International or perhaps the Red Cross

to intervene in this? Is it possible?

[Kellanved]

23. usually her gouvernment would intervene

"Western" Gouvernments usually help their suspects to get out - as this hasn't happened she's most likely from an islamic nation herself.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

22. Let's update that anti-SUV ad

"I beat to death a 15-year old girl."

Great.

Everyone who has a car buys from these psychos.

[alaine]

24. I will never feel the same way about driving again.

I have always driven japanese compacts, but since we invaded Iraq I hate it with a passion. I can't bike on my road, I live near a Nascar track and people around here act like every trip to the grocery story is a qualifying run. I'm not working right now, so I never go anywhere. I have driven once a week maybe, for the past month. If I lived on a bikeable road I would give up driving completely. I just hate it, it has never been clearer to me that the terrorists I am supporting are the BFEE, and gas money is blood money.

I'm going to have to go back to work soon, and I am trying to find a job as close to here as possible.

[Jesus Christ]

25. This case seems all too familiar to Me

It can be compared to the case of the woman whom the Pharisees wanted to stone to death. And I say to these Muslims, as I hath said unto them....

Let he among you who is without this sin throw the first lash

It also seems familiar to Me as the Son of an unwed teenaged mother :-(

And I can assure you that Mohammed is not pleased with this either.

[LivingInTheBubble]

32. Are you taking the piss?

What are you trying to do, inflame, troll or just plain offend with your pretence of being Jesus Christ?

If you want to talk biblical quotes the correct one for this context is the one where it tells not to point out a splinter in someones eye while ignoring the plank in your own. See caribmons post for further details.

[Franx]

26. Stoning in the Bible Punishment for sexual misconduct

Stoning in the Bible Punishment for sexual misconduct

Deuteronomy 22:13-29 "If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and then spurns her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings an evil name upon her, saying, `I took this woman, and when I came near her, I did not find in her the tokens of virginity,' then the father of the young woman and her mother shall take and bring out the tokens of her virginity to the elders of the city in the gate; and the father of the young woman shall say to the elders, `I gave my daughter to this man to wife, and he spurns her; and lo, he has made shameful charges against her, saying, "I did not find in your daughter the tokens of virginity." And yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity.' And they shall spread the garment before the elders of the city. Then the elders of that city shall take the man and whip him; and they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver, and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought an evil name upon a virgin of Israel; and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. But if the thing is true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has wrought folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; so you shall purge the evil from the midst of you. "If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; so you shall purge the evil from Israel. "If there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbor's wife; so you shall purge the evil from the midst of you. "But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But to the young woman you shall do nothing; in the young woman there is no offense punishable by death, for this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor; because he came upon her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her. "If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her; he may not put her away all his days.

John 8: 1-11 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning he came again to the temple; all the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such. What do you say about her?" This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." And once more he bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. But when they heard it, they went away, one by one, beginning with the eldest, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. Jesus looked up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and do not sin again.”

Stoning for preaching a different religion

Deuteronomy 13:6-11 "If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, `Let us go and serve other gods,' which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples that are round about you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him; but you shall kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and never again do any such wickedness as this among you.

Stoning for practising a different religion

Deuteronomy 17:1-7 "You shall not sacrifice to the LORD your God an ox or a sheep in which is a blemish, any defect whatever; for that is an abomination to the LORD your God. "If there is found among you, within any of your towns which the LORD your God gives you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the LORD your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it; then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abominable thing has been done in Israel, then you shall bring forth to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones. On the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses he that is to die shall be put to death; a person shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness. The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from the midst of you.

Stoning for blasphemy

Leviticus 24:10-16 Now an Israelite woman's son, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the people of Israel; and the Israelite woman's son and a man of Israel quarreled in the camp, and the Israelite woman's son blasphemed the Name, and cursed. And they brought him to Moses. His mother's name was Shelo'mith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan. And they put him in custody, till the will of the LORD should be declared to them. And the LORD said to Moses, "Bring out of the camp him who cursed; and let all who heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him. And say to the people of Israel, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. He who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him; the sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

Leviticus 24:23 So Moses spoke to the people of Israel; and they brought him who had cursed out of the camp, and stoned him with stones. Thus the people of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.

John 10:25-40 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness to me; but you do not believe, because you do not belong to my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?" The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we stone you but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God." Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, `I said, you are gods'? If he called them gods to whom the word of God came, do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, `You are blaspheming,' because I said, `I am the Son of God'? If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father." Again they tried to arrest him, but he escaped from their hands. He went away again across the Jordan to the place where John at first baptized, and there he remained.

Stoning for cursing God and the King

1 Kings 21:1-16 Now Naboth the Jezreelite had a vineyard in Jezreel, beside the palace of Ahab king of Sama'ria. And after this Ahab said to Naboth, "Give me your vineyard, that I may have it for a vegetable garden, because it is near my house; and I will give you a better vineyard for it; or, if it seems good to you, I will give you its value in money." But Naboth said to Ahab, "The LORD forbid that I should give you the inheritance of my fathers." And Ahab went into his house vexed and sullen because of what Naboth the Jezreelite had said to him; for he had said, "I will not give you the inheritance of my fathers." And he lay down on his bed, and turned away his face, and would eat no food. But Jez'ebel his wife came to him, and said to him, "Why is your spirit so vexed that you eat no food?" And he said to her, "Because I spoke to Naboth the Jezreelite, and said to him, `Give me your vineyard for money; or else, if it please you, I will give you another vineyard for it'; and he answered, `I will not give you my vineyard.'" And Jez'ebel his wife said to him, "Do you now govern Israel? Arise, and eat bread, and let your heart be cheerful; I will give you the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite." So she wrote letters in Ahab's name and sealed them with his seal, and she sent the letters to the elders and the nobles who dwelt with Naboth in his city. And she wrote in the letters, "Proclaim a fast, and set Naboth on high among the people; and set two base fellows opposite him, and let them bring a charge against him, saying, `You have cursed God and the king.' Then take him out, and stone him to death." And the men of his city, the elders and the nobles who dwelt in his city, did as Jez'ebel had sent word to them. As it was written in the letters which she had sent to them, they proclaimed a fast, and set Naboth on high among the people. And the two base fellows came in and sat opposite him; and the base fellows brought a charge against Naboth, in the presence of the people, saying, "Naboth cursed God and the king." So they took him outside the city, and stoned him to death with stones. Then they sent to Jez'ebel, saying, "Naboth has been stoned; he is dead." As soon as Jez'ebel heard that Naboth had been stoned and was dead, Jez'ebel said to Ahab, "Arise, take possession of the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite, which he refused to give you for money; for Naboth is not alive, but dead." And as soon as Ahab heard that Naboth was dead, Ahab arose to go down to the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite, to take possession of it.

Stoning for giving children to Molech

Leviticus 20:1-5 The LORD said to Moses, "Say to the people of Israel, Any man of the people of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, who gives any of his children to Molech shall be put to death; the people of the land shall stone him with stones. I myself will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, defiling my sanctuary and profaning my holy name. And if the people of the land do at all hide their eyes from that man, when he gives one of his children to Molech, and do not put him to death, then I will set my face against that man and against his family, and will cut them off from among their people, him and all who follow him in playing the harlot after Molech.

Stoning for being a medium or a wizard

Leviticus 20:27 "A man or a woman who is a medium or a wizard shall be put to death; they shall be stoned with stones, their blood shall be upon them."

Stoning for breaking the Sabbath

Numbers 15:32-36 While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him in custody, because it had not been made plain what should be done to him. And the LORD said to Moses, "The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." And all the congregation brought him outside the camp, and stoned him to death with stones, as the LORD commanded Moses.

Stoning for stubborn and rebellious sons

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, `This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Stoning for stealing

Joshua 7:20-26 And Achan answered Joshua, "Of a truth I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and this is what I did: when I saw among the spoil a beautiful mantle from Shinar, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a bar of gold weighing fifty shekels, then I coveted them, and took them; and behold, they are hidden in the earth inside my tent, with the silver underneath." So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent; and behold, it was hidden in his tent with the silver underneath. And they took them out of the tent and brought them to Joshua and all the people of Israel; and they laid them down before the LORD. And Joshua and all Israel with him took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver and the mantle and the bar of gold, and his sons and daughters, and his oxen and asses and sheep, and his tent, and all that he had; and they brought them up to the Valley of Achor. And Joshua said, "Why did you bring trouble on us? The LORD brings trouble on you today." And all Israel stoned him with stones; they burned them with fire, and stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones that remains to this day; then the LORD turned from his burning anger. Therefore to this day the name of that place is called the Valley of Achor.

Stoning of goring animals

Exodus 21:28-32 "When an ox gores a man or a woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be clear. But if the ox has been accustomed to gore in the past, and its owner has been warned but has not kept it in, and it kills a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death. If a ransom is laid on him, then he shall give for the redemption of his life whatever is laid upon him. If it gores a man's son or daughter, he shall be dealt with according to this same rule. If the ox gores a slave, male or female, the owner shall give to their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.

Stoning for touching Mount Sinai

Exodus 19:10-13 And the LORD said to Moses, "Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their garments, and be ready by the third day; for on the third day the LORD will come down upon Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people. And you shall set bounds for the people round about, saying, `Take heed that you do not go up into the mountain or touch the border of it; whoever touches the mountain shall be put to death; no hand shall touch him, but he shall be stoned or shot; whether beast or man, he shall not live.' When the trumpet sounds a long blast, they shall come up to the mountain."

Hebrews 12:20-22 For they could not endure the order that was given, "If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned." Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I tremble with fear." But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,

Egyptians stoning

Exodus 8:25-27 - Then Pharaoh called Moses and Aaron, and said, "Go, sacrifice to your God within the land." But Moses said, "It would not be right to do so; for we shall sacrifice to the LORD our God offerings abominable to the Egyptians. If we sacrifice offerings abominable to the Egyptians before their eyes, will they not stone us? We must go three days' journey into the wilderness and sacrifice to the LORD our God as he will command us."

Stoning of the prophets

2 Chronicles 24:17-22 Now after the death of Jehoi'ada the princes of Judah came and did obeisance to the king; then the king hearkened to them. And they forsook the house of the LORD, the God of their fathers, and served the Ashe'rim and the idols. And wrath came upon Judah and Jerusalem for this their guilt. Yet he sent prophets among them to bring them back to the LORD; these testified against them, but they would not give heed. Then the Spirit of God took possession of Zechari'ah the son of Jehoi'ada the priest; and he stood above the people, and said to them, "Thus says God, `Why do you transgress the commandments of the LORD, so that you cannot prosper? Because you have forsaken the LORD, he has forsaken you.'" But they conspired against him, and by command of the king they stoned him with stones in the court of the house of the LORD. Thus Jo'ash the king did not remember the kindness which Jehoi'ada, Zechari'ah's father, had shown him, but killed his son. And when he was dying, he said, "May the LORD see and avenge!"

Lamentations 3:49-55 "My eyes will flow without ceasing, without respite, until the LORD from heaven looks down and sees; my eyes cause me grief at the fate of all the maidens of my city. "I have been hunted like a bird by those who were my enemies without cause; they flung me alive into the pit and cast stones on me; water closed over my head; I said, `I am lost.' "I called on thy name, O LORD, from the depths of the pit; thou didst hear my plea, `Do not close thine ear to my cry for help!'

Stoning by congregation of Israel

1 Kings 12:15-19 So the king did not hearken to the people; for it was a turn of affairs brought about by the LORD that he might fulfil his word, which the LORD spoke by Ahi'jah the Shi'lonite to Jerobo'am the son of Nebat. And when all Israel saw that the king did not hearken to them, the people answered the king, "What portion have we in David? We have no inheritance in the son of Jesse. To your tents, O Israel! Look now to your own house, David." So Israel departed to their tents. But Rehobo'am reigned over the people of Israel who dwelt in the cities of Judah. Then King Rehobo'am sent Ador'am, who was taskmaster over the forced labor, and all Israel stoned him to death with stones. And King Rehobo'am made haste to mount his chariot, to flee to Jerusalem. So Israel has been in rebellion against the house of David to this day.

2 Chronicles 10:15-19 So the king did not hearken to the people; for it was a turn of affairs brought about by God that the LORD might fulfil his word, which he spoke by Ahi'jah the Shi'lonite to Jerobo'am the son of Nebat. And when all Israel saw that the king did not hearken to them, the people answered the king, "What portion have we in David? We have no inheritance in the son of Jesse. Each of you to your tents, O Israel! Look now to your own house, David." So all Israel departed to their tents. But Rehobo'am reigned over the people of Israel who dwelt in the cities of Judah. Then King Rehobo'am sent Hador'am, who was taskmaster over the forced labor, and the people of Israel stoned him to death with stones. And King Rehobo'am made haste to mount his chariot, to flee to Jerusalem. So Israel has been in rebellion against the house of David to this day.

Acts 7:54-60 Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth against him. But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God." But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed together upon him. Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him; and the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. And as they were stoning Stephen, he prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." And he knelt down and cried with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

2 Corinithians 11:22-27 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they descendants of Abraham? So am I. Are they servants of Christ? I am a better one -- I am talking like a madman -- with far greater labors, far more imprisonments, with countless beatings, and often near death. Five times I have received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one. Three times I have been beaten with rods; once I was stoned. Three times I have been shipwrecked; a night and a day I have been adrift at sea; on frequent journeys, in danger from rivers, danger from robbers, danger from my own people, danger from Gentiles, danger in the city, danger in the wilderness, danger at sea, danger from false brethren; in toil and hardship, through many a sleepless night, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure.

Hebrews 11:32-40 And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets -- who through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, received promises, stopped the mouths of lions, quenched raging fire, escaped the edge of the sword, won strength out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. Women received their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they might rise again to a better life. Others suffered mocking and scourging, and even chains and imprisonment. They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were killed with the sword; they went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, ill-treated -- of whom the world was not worthy -- wandering over deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And all these, though well attested by their faith, did not receive what was promised, since God had foreseen something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.

Congregation of Israel desire to stone

Numbers 14:6-12 And Joshua the son of Nun and Caleb the son of Jephun'neh, who were among those who had spied out the land, rent their clothes, and said to all the congregation of the people of Israel, "The land, which we passed through to spy it out, is an exceedingly good land. If the LORD delights in us, he will bring us into this land and give it to us, a land which flows with milk and honey. Only, do not rebel against the LORD; and do not fear the people of the land, for they are bread for us; their protection is removed from them, and the LORD is with us; do not fear them." But all the congregation said to stone them with stones. Then the glory of the LORD appeared at the tent of meeting to all the people of Israel. And the LORD said to Moses, "How long will this people despise me? And how long will they not believe in me, in spite of all the signs which I have wrought among them? I will strike them with the pestilence and disinherit them, and I will make of you a nation greater and mightier than they."

Luke 20:1-7 One day, as he was teaching the people in the temple and preaching the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes with the elders came up and said to him, "Tell us by what authority you do these things, or who it is that gave you this authority." He answered them, "I also will ask you a question; now tell me, Was the baptism of John from heaven or from men?" And they discussed it with one another, saying, "If we say, `From heaven,' he will say, `Why did you not believe him?' But if we say, `From men,' all the people will stone us; for they are convinced that John was a prophet." So they answered that they did not know whence it was.

John 11:7-10 Then after this he said to the disciples, "Let us go into Judea again." The disciples said to him, "Rabbi, the Jews were but now seeking to stone you, and are you going there again?" Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any one walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if any one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him."

Acts 5:24-26 Now when the captain of the temple and the chief priests heard these words, they were much perplexed about them, wondering what this would come to. And some one came and told them, "The men whom you put in prison are standing in the temple and teaching the people." Then the captain with the officers went and brought them, but without violence, for they were afraid of being stoned by the people.

Acts 14:1-23 Now at Ico'nium they entered together into the Jewish synagogue, and so spoke that a great company believed, both of Jews and of Greeks. But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brethren. So they remained for a long time, speaking boldly for the Lord, who bore witness to the word of his grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands. But the people of the city were divided; some sided with the Jews, and some with the apostles. When an attempt was made by both Gentiles and Jews, with their rulers, to molest them and to stone them, they learned of it and fled to Lystra and Derbe, cities of Lycao'nia, and to the surrounding country; and there they preached the gospel. Now at Lystra there was a man sitting, who could not use his feet; he was a cripple from birth, who had never walked. He listened to Paul speaking; and Paul, looking intently at him and seeing that he had faith to be made well, said in a loud voice, "Stand upright on your feet." And he sprang up and walked. And when the crowds saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in Lycao'nian, "The gods have come down to us in the likeness of men!" Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul, because he was the chief speaker, they called Hermes. And the priest of Zeus, whose temple was in front of the city, brought oxen and garlands to the gates and wanted to offer sacrifice with the people. But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their garments and rushed out among the multitude, crying, "Men, why are you doing this? We also are men, of like nature with you, and bring you good news, that you should turn from these vain things to a living God who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all that is in them. In past generations he allowed all the nations to walk in their own ways; yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good and gave you from heaven rains and fruitful seasons, satisfying your hearts with food and gladness." With these words they scarcely restrained the people from offering sacrifice to them. But Jews came there from Antioch and Ico'nium; and having persuaded the people, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing that he was dead. But when the disciples gathered about him, he rose up and entered the city; and on the next day he went on with Barnabas to Derbe. When they had preached the gospel to that city and had made many disciples, they returned to Lystra and to Ico'nium and to Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God. And when they had appointed elders for them in every church, with prayer and fasting they committed them to the Lord in whom they believed.

[phgnome]

34. good point

n/t

[caribmon]

27. Last time I checked

America is one of the few countries in the world to KILL juveniles and retarded people on death row. So before you get all uppity about America's superior morals you should look in your own fucking backyard. Go to amnesty.org and do a little reading.

This is wrong, of course it is. But, I don't feel rabid, blind anger works too well. That's exactly what has driven the USA into a war they don't need, can't afford and is killing their children... as well as dragging a lot of other children from countries that are part of the 'coalition of the willing' who are in it for favours.

Please.

[samsingh]

28. the extreme right-wing

in this country would have it the same way if given the chance.

[samsingh]

29. the extreme right-wing

in this country would have it the same way if given the chance.

[JCMach1]

36. She has about a 99.9% chance of being deported

before that sentence is carried out.