CNN Radio reports Johnson has been beheaded....

[Red State Rebel]

CNN Radio said there are reports out of Bagdad that Paul Johnson - who has been held hostage has been beheaded.

But at least they didn't make him stand naked with a dog barking at him...

[Justice]

1. How Sad

Don't say at least anything.

There is no good thing that can come from torture. This is awful.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

2. Lived happily in Saudi Arabia for years. Yet another Bush* casualties

We can't vote these scumbags out of office soon enough.

[earthside]

16. WHY was he there?

He worked for Lockheed Martin on Apache helicopters is what I understand.

The truth is simple ... in contrast to this tragedy: Americans should not be in Saudi Arabia. Mr. Johnson should not have been in that country doing work in support of a theocratic dictatorship.

If Bush had responded to 9/11 by aggressively working to end our dependence on Saudi oil, Paul Johnson would still be alive.

This is less about terrorism than it is about American consumerism sucking the wealth out of every square inch on the planet. It is really about us needing to understand some humility, self-control, and equanimity.

It is just sad that a good guy like this becomes a victim of a power struggle between the super wealthy and the frustrated, religiously-crazed oppressed.

And it is going to be even sadder to watch the Bush regime exploit this poor man's murder to justify their illegal and immoral war in Iraq.

[sampsonblk]

27. Why are we giving Apaches to this corrupt Saudi regime??

WTF???

Johnson seems to have been a decent fellow who just wanted (or needed) to make money. He was warned to leave, and did not do so. None of us (I hope) wanted him to die. But this whole episode is screwed up. Why does Lockheed continue to operate there after all Americans have been told to leave the kingdom??

I disagree with the murder, but on the political points, the murderers are well within the bounds of common sense to insist that all "infidels" leave the holy land. That is very reasonable.

[Just Me]

3. I thought he was captured in Saudi Arabia.

Why are reports being issued out of Bagdad?

I'm confused.

:wtf:

[Cush]

4. CNN/MSNBC/FOX now have it as well

[geek tragedy]

5. He was dead before that tape hit the air

Saudi Arabia is enemy territory.

[David__77]

6. The thing that's interesting in the coverage of this abduction...

...is that no one focused on what are the demands of the criminals holding the man. Weren't they demanding a release of prisoners? Who were the prisoners in question? I'm quite curious.

[Alpharetta]

7. rightwingers will say this justifies all torture, past and future

[Goldmund]

8. This is the second post you've made...

...in which you said "But at least they didn't make him stand naked with a dog barking at him...".

What do you mean by that?

[bluestateguy]

9. The Saudi Arabian Nazis are responsible for this

They have tolerated and excused these extremists for years, and now it is beyond their token abilities to control.

Far more than just about any other Muslim nation, Saudi Arabia has allowed Al Qaeda to thrive. The war in Iraq is a terrible deviation from the fight against Al Qaeda, and in fact has worsened the situation.

[chrisdfer]

12. Got what he had coming to him.

uhh so what? Another American mercenary killed, what is the big deal? How many people died do this guy could steal money from the Saudi people?

[a_random_joel]

15. BS.

The poor guy was just doing his job. That is a pretty insenstive remark...

My heart goes out to his poor family.

[wryter2000]

17. That's sick

No one deserves that, not even Bush*. For all you know, he had to be there because he had no other way of making a living.

[RebelOne]

22. It certainly is sick.

Someone seems to be lacking compassion.

[RedEarth]

21. You might want to post that at freeperville

[frylock]

28. i'm sure that was the intent..

probably a thread discussing it now.

[Sushi-Lover]

18. This is what I believe as well.

I think we should have concentrated on funding our anti-terrorism intelligence and chaseing down individuals and cells in whatever country we found them in. We have, in my opinion, dangerously drained our resources and allowed terrorism in places other then Iraq to go unchecked.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

10. Saudi Arabia is behind this!!! Saudi Arabia is the real enemy here!

We should be on their facsist asses!!! :grr:

The Saudis have tolerated and promoted the Islam Extremists!!!

They are NOT our freinds, they are * friends, but NOT mine!!!!

Damn that country to Hell!

:argh:

:mad:

[Ilsa]

11. Earlier, from the Associated Press:

"How can we inform on our brothers when we see all these pictures coming from Abu Ghraib and Rafah," Muklas Nawaf, a resident of Dhahar al-Budaih, said as he ate meat grilled on a spit at a restaurant called Jihad, Arabic for holy war.

He was referring to the pictures of Iraqis abused by U.S. soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad and Israeli military incursions and killings in the Gaza refugee camp of Rafah.

"This is not a little skirmish. It is a war," Nawaf said.

Mizahen al-Etbi, a man shopping in the Sweidi district with his family Friday, praised the kidnappers as "holy warriors, heroes, who never waver ... All Saudis hate Americans, not only these heroes."


May he rest in peace. That poor family.

But to the rest of the sleeping US: THESE WEREN"T IRAQIS DOING THIS!

[Worst Username Ever]

13. My thoughts go out

to his family. He has a wife of 10 years from Thialand. poor guy.

[a_random_joel]

14. DAMN IT!!!!!

THIS SUCKS!!!!

[sniffa]

19. we need to retaLiate by invading yemen

[wryter2000]

20. WTF?

But at least they didn't make him stand naked with a dog barking at him...

Most people don't see this as an either/or sort of thing. Most of us condemn evil on all sides. Most of us would like to think we're better than terrorists.

This is horrific, but it doesn't make what we've done any better.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

23. Yeah. Moral relativism doesn't work here.

Say you've got a murderer and a rapist. Does the fact that the murderer killed his victim after raping him negate the crime of the man who just raped someone? What happened at Abu Grahib cannot be excused by the argument 'well, they're worse'. Of course they're worse. The point is, we should be better.

[dryan]

25. Feel terrible for his family

especially with Father's Day on Sunday.

[Robert Oak]

24. come on these guys are murderous thugs

I mean really, have they once, even once, targeted anyone who is
actually responsible for the united corporations of America?

Not even close...they grab some guy out trying to make a living
who isn't a decision maker and brutally and publically kill him.

Who cares about their demands, their reasons? Their actions are the same as an organized pack of serial killers.

[kimchi]

26. Why do you insist on equating the two?

Do Bush's * policies make you feel any safer yet?

[grl2watch]

29. He is a casualty of war

"We" see the conflict and react according to our view,
citing their atrocities and outrages.

"They" see the conflict and react according to their view,
citing our atrocities and outrages.

Each side interprets hell in its own way, but as this
goes on, everyone will truly come to understand that war
is hell.

Condolences to all families affected by this war.

[Moderator]

30. duplicate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=629134