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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 08:47 AM
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Putin says Russia gave U.S. information about potential Iraqi attacks in t
Putin says Russia gave U.S. information about potential Iraqi attacks in the United States
By Bagila Bukharbayeva, Associated Press, 6/18/2004 09:13


ASTANA, Kazakhstan (AP) Russia gave the Bush administration intelligence after the September 11 attacks that suggested Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq was preparing attacks in the United States, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.

Putin said he couldn't comment on how critical the Russians' information was in the U.S. decision to invade Iraq. He said Russia didn't have any information that Saddam's regime was actually behind any terrorist acts.

''After Sept. 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, the Russian special services, the intelligence service, received information that officials from Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist attacks in the United States and outside it against the U.S. military and other interests,'' Putin said.

He said President Bush personally thanked one of the leaders of Russia's intelligence agencies for the information. There was no immediate comment from U.S. officials.
(snip/...)

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/170/world/Putin_says_Russia_gave_U_S_inf:.shtml
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 08:52 AM
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1. Was that anything like the intelligence that . . .
Mohammed Atta met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague?
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orthogonal Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 08:59 AM
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2. Suckered by Iran, suckered by Russia
Wait a sec.

Chalabi suckered us into bankrolling him, nearly putting him in power, and getting rid of his Iranian paymasters' biggest threat, Iraq...

and the Russians helped in order to get us to look the other way at their represion of Chechnya and be too pre-occupied in Iraq to oppose Putin's re-institution of totalitarianism in Russia?

And George Tenet never wised up to this?

Every time I think this current misadministration can't get more incompetetnt -- it gets more incompetetnt.

We've been manipulated into another Vietnam by our two biggest enemeines of the 1970s and '80s, Iran and Russia????
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finecraft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 09:07 AM
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5. And don't forget our funding the Mujadeen
in Afghanistan against Russia during their war. Remind me again of all the reasons why the "Evil Empire" fell? Oh yeah, one of them was their massive defense spending for their war in Afghanistan, which drastically cut their domestic spending. Evil is as evil does?
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 09:01 AM
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3. Putin will be working hard to keep Bush in office
because Putin thinks Bush is a controllable dupe.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 09:06 AM
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4. Of course Putin wants Bush elected
Bush's actions have been fabulous for Russia.

He's pushed numerous former US allies into Putin's camp, Bush's actions in Iraq make the whole Chechnya conflict look a lot less atrocious, and Bush's effect on the price of petroleum is making Russia RICH right now.

Besides, would Putin rather play chess against Bush or Kerry? Given that Bush thinks he's playing Liar's Poker instead of chess, the answer is obvious.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 09:24 AM
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8. The second phase of the Chechen conflict
...was instigated by terrorists on the CIA payroll. This war is a part of strategic American scheme to debilitate and cripple Russia on an indefinite if not permanent basis.

Putin's contradictory volte face regarding Iraq is a de facto recognition that the strategic "masterstroke" of the neo-cons is an unmitigated strategic diaster which is bleeding America white and weakening our country for decades to come. France and Russia are embracing this developement and are more than eager to expedite the American decline with their feigned expressions of friendship designed to get the erstwhile dictator and his incompetent and corrupt crew through November. Russia and France want the bushistas ever more tightly bound to their debilitating war for another four years.

This duplicitous transition is evidence that our former relationships with European powers has entered a new and more dangerous phase of permanent alienation. What has happened with Russia is little more than an undeclared conflict between two corrupt ruling classes dominated by security apparatchiki.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 10:40 AM
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12. I have to say I agree with you...
as an outsider, the only real solution to American arrogance that I can see is to keep America bogged down in the ME until the public decides they've had enough imperialism for a couple of generations.

There is no doubt that this is bleeding America to death, and whilst the forces are in Baghdad, the US won't be starting any major wars elsewhere for a while (note I said "major" wars)...
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 12:47 PM
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20. Don't forget, Poppy Bush has been over to visit Putin at least twice
within the past year, once with Babs. I posted stores both times in the World Media Watch.....
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 10:34 AM
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10. Putin gazed deep into Bush's eyes...
Yada, yada, yada
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 09:14 AM
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6. sounds like a 360 from what he had to say earlier
I found this in a thread over in GD

Putin 12/18/03 - There were no international terrorists under Hussein.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200312/s1013128.htm

"We do not want the United States to lose their war on terrorism - we are US partners in the fight against terrorism," Mr Putin said.

"But as for Iraq, this is a separate matter. There were no international terrorists under Hussein. This is a separate problem," he said.


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Immad2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 09:37 AM
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9. Thank you for the link
It offers great insight into puty-pute's dishonesty:thumbsup:
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 12:43 PM
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18. you are very welcome and
welcome to DU:hi:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 09:16 AM
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7. More discussion here:
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 10:37 AM
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11. It wasn't urgent enough that Russia was willing to support the US
urgency to attack, apparently.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 10:46 AM
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13. Is the writer of this article, Bagila Bukharbayeva, one of those plants,..
,...DUers have indicated are scattered about the press?

This story is just so "out there" and so inconsistent with Putin's past actions that it strains any credibility.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 11:04 AM
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14. Well it worked when the US made Russia bankrupt themselves
on an unwinnable war....Putin simply gave this group a dose of their own...all it shows is that this admin was so eager to go to war that they'd let themselves get outsmarted.
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 11:10 AM
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15. From one dictator to another...
"You are innocent of all charges."

I imagine Texas Rich Boy Bush got on the hot horn and agreed to ignore all of Putin's atrocities in Chechnya if Putin would only help him out with Iraq. Sounds like the kind of back room deal Bush and his cronies excel at.

:kick:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 11:19 AM
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16. Is there a paper trail that proves this actually occurred? Or must we
take Putin's word for it. Is foreknowledge of Putin's announcement why Cheney and Bush started their carefully worded second round of Iraq/al Qaida linkage excuses?

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Peachhead22 Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 12:09 PM
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17. On the other hand, a good thing is...
It's such obvious bullshit it should be very easy to debunk. With documentation and widely disseminated. Then it becomes a talking point for our side.

What kind of underhanded shit did BushCo pull to get Putin to go along, and what kind of scandal might that brew?
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 12:44 PM
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19. I'm guessing a big middle east contract
nt
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 01:13 PM
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21. You can bet the cost will involve blood and money....and perhaps
critical strategic losses.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 01:15 PM
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22. As predictable as British weather n/t
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