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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:50 PM
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More Incriminating Enron Tapes
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/16/eveningnews/main623569.shtml

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Tapes given to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, or FERC, show Enron and its partners in Nevada gouged consumers and forced utilities in that state— and others throughout the west— to sign expensive long-term contracts at the height of the crisis.

"I want to see what pain and heartache this is going to cause Nevada Power Company," says one Enron trader on the tapes. "I want to f--k with Nevada for a while."

"What do you mean?" a second trader asks.

"I just, I'm still in the mood to screw with people, OK?" the first trader answers.

"This was not a smoking gun, this was an audio tape of the bullet coming out of the chamber, hitting the victim and the killer standing over the body and laughing about it," says Nevada Power Company's Campbell.
:grr:
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:54 PM
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1. Lord Almighty!
How much more of this do we have to take before we grab our torches and pitchforks?

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:54 PM
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15. Do you HAVE a pitchfork?
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:58 AM
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31. I have a scythe
and a machete. Will that work with very noxious weeds?
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:55 PM
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2. And these ASSHOLES have the nerve to charge CA
another $270 million? Put them all in jail NOW!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:45 PM
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23. Yeah. These FUCKERS are now demanding that WE pay THEM.
They can eat my shorts. From incarceration!!!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 11:38 PM
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28. Grandma Millie?
Is that you? :)
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:36 AM
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38. LOL!
My hip just cracked from sadness!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:58 PM
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3. Each and every one of these enron traders needs to be horsewhipped...
How many people suffered because of their manipulations?
How many businesses went under because of their policies?

"I just, I'm still in the mood to screw with people, OK?" NO, IT'S NOT O.K.!!!

Who let this sadistic piece of shit out of his hole? Identify the bastards.
Hold up their actions and conduct to the light so EVERYONE can see just what kind of lowlife scum these bastards were. And keep in mind these traders were raking in BIG BUCKS.

Let's let the court of public opinion decide what happens to them.


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camby Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:59 PM
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4. I'm having a hard time imagining
what kind of corporate environment would foster this kind of juvenile, irresponsible behavior. I've worked in the business world for 30 years, and I have worked for some pretty shoddily run organizations, but I have NEVER....repeat....NEVER heard the likes of this. Somebody needs to go to jail.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:05 PM
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7. Bush is their Ideological CEO ...
Ken Lay was their Greedy CEO ...
Skilling was their Alcoholic CEO ....
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:59 PM
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16. Well, I have seen it before.
I spent 3 years on a financial crimes grand jury and screwing people over is the name of the game. There was nothing too small or too big for those sweeties to steal. They took veterans, grannies, CEOs...

Enron just did it on a bigger scale.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:55 PM
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24. It is a RICO group.
And the sort of thing our current executive branch is part and parcel of.

This is the same sort of mentality you see driving KBR, HB, and CACI.

I am sure that they will do the same to Iraq, assuming they run the grid. It is officially the world vs. the energy oligarchy. They all need to discover why civilization is better than anarchy, which is what they are creating in California, Nevada, India, Iraq, and soon Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, and anyplace else where oil is pumped from the earth or people threaten the reign of big oil.

Remember, all corporations are equal, but some, such as Unocal, Enron, and Halliburton are more equal than others.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:04 AM
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32. American Corporatism
has removed greed from being a capital sin and shifted it to be a virtue. Arrogance, chauvinist Murican asses don't stink. And the SHEEPLE! Gee If I win the Lottery, I don't want my million dollars taxed, ergo, don't tax the corporations.
Murican laissez-faire neo-liberal capitalists do this to the rest of the world every day, why not to Muricans?
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:42 PM
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40. The USPS does it too
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 09:50 PM by kgfnally
but to its own employees. For example, two years ago my father was terminally ill with cancer. I submitted the proper FMLA certification forms PLUS twelve pages of medical documentation signed by two doctors, two oncologists, and two specialists. The documents spanned six years of treatment.

Six days after he died I got a letter from out plant manager stating that my FMLA request was denied "due to insufficient documentation."

FUCKERS!!!!!

(I'm not about to mention the mass mailer subsidies. Shocker here- take a look at the postage on your next "Presort standard" postmark-stamped junk mail.)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:59 PM
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5. If they haven't already, those traders will get what's coming to them.
A friend of mine worked at one of Enron's competitors and she told me that when she had meetings with these guys at Enron, they thought their shit didn't stink. She couldn't stand them, they were very cocky. And I consider this friend of mine as a pompous republican and for someone like that to say that about those Enron pricks is very telling.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:05 PM
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6. So, how much is Nevada going to have to refund ENRON?
The crazy world we live in...
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:37 PM
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12. Five electoral votes
Nevada narrowly went Bush in 2000.

Between this and the Yucca Mountain fiasco, a lot of Nevadans are bound to be pissed when they vote in November.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:06 PM
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8. De-regulating monopolies
A really really really really really really baaaaaaaad idea.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:01 PM
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17. Privatization: A license to steal.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:31 PM
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21. Especially when those monopolies are the infrastructure...
...nationalize the power grid, the natural gas distribution lines and, oh yeah, nationalize the fuel system. If it's important enough to go to war over, it's important enough to nationalize.

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olddem43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:20 PM
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9. Why the hell
isn't Ken Lay in jail or at least under indictment? These criminals need to have every last penny they have confiscated and spend 30 years in jail. I hope Kerry makes the clean up of the Enron crooks a very high priority. I don't live in the west but my company's pension plan lost 7 million to these scumbags.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 06:58 AM
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34. 'Tis amazing how quiet the media is about 'Kenny Boy', the prize
and loving good friend of the bush family.

'Ya think maybe the media has been warned by the big boys to leave 'Kenny Boy' alone or else?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 07:12 AM
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35. Welcome olddem43
Ken Lay is not in jail because the Republicans are still in power. He donated to their campaign so he's under their protection program. He probably went further and was part of a nefarious plan dreamed up by Cheney in those Energy meetings. Stay tuned. I suspect we'll soon know just how involved Ken Lay was.
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Fire_wasp Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:21 PM
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10. FERC
Did anyone see later in the story that the FERC, the body supposed to regulate these people, actually knew about the tapes since 2002 but suppressed them?

Has there ever been an administration more in the pocket of big business? I heard (I forget where I saw this part, anyone have a link?) that the FERC director was also fired in 2002, and I was wondering if it was connected somehow. I wouldn't be surprised.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:28 PM
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11. Great point
And welcome.

The relevant quote:

"But officials at the FERC, the very agency charged with regulating energy companies, has (sic) not only known about the tapes for two years, but fought attempts to release them. "

Something really stinks here, needless to say.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:56 PM
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25. Had to make sure Ahnuld the Barbarian conquered California first. n/t
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:40 PM
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13. welcome to DU Fire_wasp!
Glad to have you here!

The information that you seek is this:

Ken Lay gave a list of 8 names that he suggested to the Bush Admin to the FERC board - 2 of those were put on the board and the chairman, a man named Curtis Herbert was canned and Pat Wood was put in his place. Read Molly Ivins column regarding this here:

http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/08212003/commenta/commenta.asp

here's another well written article here:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1015-03.htm

and finally, from the "liberal" Independent Power Producers news:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:4MWHjHYBjWsJ:www.ippbc.com/details.asp%3Fid%3D2310+ken+lay+pat+wood+ferc&hl=en

FERC mom on Enron trader's guilty plea"

Sunday, October 27, 2002

"FERC mom on Enron trader's guilty plea" FERC mom on Enron trader's guilty plea October 17, 2002 5:52:00 PM ET (Refiles to fix typographical error in headline) By Tom Doggett WASHINGTON, Oct 17 (Reuters) - A former top Enron Corp electricity trader admitted on Thursday that he schemed to defraud California during the state's power crisis, but federal energy regulators refused to say whether that strengthened California's demand for $9 billion in refunds. The Justice Department said one-time chief Enron energy trader Timothy Belden manipulated the wholesale electricity market, allowing his company to "exploit and intensify the California energy crisis and prey on consumers at their most vulnerable moment." Belden, 35, appeared in federal court in San Francisco where he pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud and was freed on bail. He faces a maximum sentence of up to 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. His attorney said Belden would cooperate with prosecutors, who said they were continuing to investigate Enron's trading schemes. Pat Wood, chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, which is overseeing the California refund case, declined comment. "It's a pending case before our commission that is being adjudicated as we speak. And these issues have been raised in that proceeding," Wood told reporters at a news conference where the plea agreement was announced by the Justice Department. Wood, the former head of the Texas utility commission, was appointed to FERC by President George W. Bush. His selection to the agency that regulates utilities, pipelines and the electricity market, was endorsed by Ken Lay, the former head of Houston-based Enron. Wood has maintained he has no ties to Enron and proved his independence by imposing limits on California wholesale power prices one year ago. Ever since the California power crisis began in late 2000, state officials have accused Enron and other large power marketers of price-gouging that padded corporate profits while the state reeled from rolling blackouts. In a nearly two-year-old case before FERC, California is demanding $8.9 billion in refunds from Enron and a dozen other suppliers. Wholesale power prices soared tenfold during the crisis, as did natural gas, which is used to fuel electricity generating plants. A FERC administrative law judge will rule in California's refund case by December, Wood said. FERC's four commissioners will then vote on whether to accept, reject or modify the judge's decision. FERC, CFTC PROBES Under pressure from lawmakers, FERC earlier this year launched a broad investigation into manipulation of the California market. The probe involves Enron as well as other energy giants such as Dynegy Inc. (DYN), El Paso Corp. (EP), Reliant Energy (REI) and Williams Cos (WMB) -- many of which have seen their debt downgraded and stock price slide due to the cloud over the industry. "We do hope to wrap up our report to the public and to the Congress on the energy manipulation issues in the western energy markets by February of next year," Wood said. The Commodity Futures Trading Commission is also investigating the western power market, in addition to federal grand juries in Houston and San Francisco. Federal prosecutors said that Belden's trading schemes helped Enron receive prices for electricity above price caps set by the California's electric grid operator and FERC. Thanks in large part to Belden's trading strategies, his power trading unit generated $800 million in revenue in 2001 -- a sharp rise from just $50 million in 1999, prosecutors said. The trading strategies included so-called megawatt laundering, in which Enron deliberately moved electricity outside California borders then resold it into the state to sidestep price caps. Another technique involved selling the state electricity after creating phantom congestion on power transmission lines in California, thus earning a special payment from the state, prosecutors said. "Belden and other Enron officers and employees, directly and indirectly, engaged in trading strategies that involved the submission of false and fraudulent schedules, bids, and information to the Power Exchange and California Independent System Operator," federal officials said in a statement. Separately, Commodity Futures Trading Commission chairman James Newsome said Belden's guilty plea did not indicate that Enron's illegal trading activities affected electricity futures contracts traded on the New York Mercantile Exchange, mainly because there was little volume in the contracts at the time. However, Newsome refused to say whether Enron's trading influenced natural gas futures contracts traded on NYMEX. "I'm not going to comment about other parts of the investigation that are underway," Newsome told reporters. The CFTC has jurisdiction of regulated commodity exchanges like NYMEX and the Chicago Board of Trade, and can investigate fraud in the over-the-counter market where much of Enron's illegal trading activity took place. REUTERS

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:02 PM
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19. Has there ever been an administration more corrupt?
And I'm including Grant and Reagan.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:41 PM
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22. more like Tammany Hall than any presidential admin
Just unbelievably, blatantly corrupt.

And they're still in power.
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CaliforniaLady Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:41 AM
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29. Nixon was more corrupt, but did a few good things.
At least Nixon started the EPA and affirmative action.
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WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:18 AM
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37. Nixon was corrupt but pales
in comparison to these guys.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:46 PM
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14. And Ken Lay served on the Bush Transition Team...
...and there was much talk of him as Sec of Energy. And just like with the torture, and the corporate scandals so many members of the Bush admin were part of, this goes TO THE TOP. It's an atmosphere, an ethic, rubber stamped and approved by those at the top.

Torture? check
Corruption? check
Theft? check
Murder? check

Go down the list. A rap sheet is a prerequisite for being part of the Bush cabal.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:01 PM
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18. Is Tommy Chong still in jail?
Just asking.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 07:21 AM
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36. Tommy Chong's release date: 7/7/2004
So glad our government is protecting society from this 65-year-old comedian while the Enron scumbags go free.

www.cheechandchong.com/ --source for the latest information, your "Free Tommy Chong" T-shirt--or these "headlites":


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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:05 PM
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20. How is it that California has to repay Enron millions instead of
getting reparations for being cheated? Cheney, I bet.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 11:15 PM
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26. The slide show on the Enron Implosion on that page is interesting
Even touches on Kenny Boy's Indian adventure that was sinking them. He sure needed that Afghanistan pipeline deal.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 11:36 PM
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27. CBS has given great coverage to this issue
Can't say enough about that.

The Republican congress is the problem.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:57 AM
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30. Fuck the Justice system...Town hanging time. I'll bring the rope!
I have come to a finally conclusion that the Judicial, Executive, and Congressional systems are all corrupted to the point of no return.
And being so I say, "Fuckem all...Let's do it the ole fashion way...Let's hangem.":nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 06:45 AM
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33. Another story I heard nothing
about outside of this forum and CBS.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:30 PM
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39. kick
:kick:
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