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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 11:23 AM
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State approves paper records for e-voting (CA)
California approved the nation's first standards Tuesday for a paper record to be produced by electronic voting machines and verified by voters.

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California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley ordered all e-voting machines in the state to offer the paper trail by July 2006 and had promised to define it by May.

"California is at the forefront of the movement toward a paper trail, and these standards help lead the way," said Kim Alexander, a paper-trail advocate and president of the Davis-based California Voter Foundation.

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Manufacturers and some elections officials say the paper trail adds an unnecessary and costly element to e-voting machines that generally are more accurate than other voting methods, except hand-marked and counted ballots.

But Shelley and other California officials say instability and lax security of the current generation of e-voting machines have made a paper trail inescapable.

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http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82%257E1865%257E2215866,00.html
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 11:33 AM
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1. hmmm... I am VERY happy about this, but this statement is not totally true
But Shelley and other California officials say instability and lax security of the current generation of e-voting machines have made a paper trail inescapable.

WHAT MADE IT INESCAPABLE WAS BEVERLY HARRIS AND THE PEOPLE WHO JOINED HER in her struggle.
:loveya: :headbang: :headbang: :yourock: :yourock: BEV!!!!!
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:01 PM
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3. Very true, but of ALL the public officials I know of
Kevin Shelley has been THE BEST. Not perfect, sometimes not fast enough for me, but among the very best. A real leader on this issue, one who has really been an important addition to the matter.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 11:41 AM
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2. Gotta love California....
They lead and the rest of the states follow.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:04 PM
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4. Well that's a step in a better direction....but my cynicism says......
....that paper proof may not be any more reliable than a LOT of peoples VALID voter registration cards were in previous elections...that were completely disregarded. The computers just aren't a solution...no matter if there's a record...they'll just find a way to say it was some sort o'malfunction when they change the outcome...sorry but they should be completely shitcanned.

"It's enough that the people know there was an election...the people who cast the votes decide nothing...the people who cout the votes decide everything." Joseph Stalin...aka GOP/PNAC :evilfrown:
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:30 PM
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5. Key to the paper trail system is a system of random, mandatory audits
If they are mandatory and random, they will keep the machines both functional and honest.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:36 PM
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6. but its's not just the machines...it's the people in control of them......
....too that can't be trusted anymore...too many people haven't even been allowed to cast a vote since 2000 much less have it counted.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 06:11 PM
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7. Manditory paper trail by July 2006 will be too late for Nov 2004
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:12 PM
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8. 2006 Will Be Too Damn Late!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:53 PM
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9. We'll be in death camps by then
Don't you get it? We need paper NOW!!! Go and vote absentee if you can.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:18 PM
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11. Hi There Buddy!
Good to see you here!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:53 PM
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10. kick
:kick:
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