Satellite images 'show Atlantis'

[DoYouEverWonder]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3766863.stm

Sunday, 6 June, 2004

A scientist says he may have found remains of the lost city of Atlantis.

Satellite photos of southern Spain reveal features on the ground appearing to match descriptions made by Greek scholar Plato of the fabled utopia.

Dr Rainer Kuehne thinks the "island" of Atlantis simply referred to a region of the southern Spanish coast destroyed by a flood between 800 BC and 500 BC.

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Satellite photos of a salt marsh region known as Marisma de Hinojos near the city of Cadiz show two rectangular structures in the mud and parts of concentric rings that may once have surrounded them.

"Plato wrote of an island of five stades (925m) diameter that was surrounded by several circular structures - concentric rings - some consisting of Earth and the others of water. We have in the photos concentric rings just as Plato described," Dr Kuehne told BBC News Online.

[PVnRT]

1. Right, like the canals on Mars

Probably just a previously undiscovered Roman garrison, or a Greek or Phoenician colony.

[IndianaGreen]

8. Did you even bothered to read the story?

The age alone is enough to eliminate a Roman garrison.

[Peregrine]

15. What age

The story doesn't give an age to the archeological find. Actually, did you read the story?

Tony Wilkinson, an expert in the use of remote sensing in archaeology at the University of Edinburgh, UK, told BBC News Online: "A lot of the problems come with interpretations. I can see something there and I could imagine that one could interpret it in various ways. But you've got several leaps of faith here.

and

"What we need here is a date range. Otherwise, you're just dealing with morphology."

What you have here is a person who wants to find Atlantis, analyzing images for which he has no training to do. No work has been done at the site, nothing dated, nothing!

[Renew Deal]

2. I doubt it.

How did Plato get to Spain? It is more likely in Greece. Here is a site that is more likely:

http://www.helike.org/

[xcentrik]

3. Yeah, but even more likely...

Insofar as there are no other references to Atlantis in any other ancient writings (even in Egypt, where the whole story supposedly started), and no Atlantian artifacts have ever been found in any other European, African or Asian location, it is even more likely that the whole thing was just a parable to start with.

[alfredo]

4. Oh wow, what will

Donovan think of that?


The continent of Atlantis was an island which lay before the
great flood
in the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean.
So great an area of land, that from her western shores
those beautiful sailors journeyed to the South and the North
Americas with ease,
in their ships with painted sails.
To the East Africa was a neighbour, across a short strait of sea
miles.
The great Egyptian age is but a remnant of The Atlantian
culture.
The antediluvian kings colonised the world
All the Gods who play in the mythological dramas
In all legends from all lands were from fair Atlantis.
Knowing her fate, Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the
Earth.
On board were the Twelve:
The poet, the physician, the farmer, the scientist,
The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends.
Though Gods they were -
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
Let us rejoice and let us sing and dance and ring in the new
Hail Atlantis!
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be,
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be,
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be.
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be,
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be.
My antediluvian baby, oh yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah,
I wanna see you some day
My antediluvian baby, oh yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah,
My antediluvian baby,
My antediluvian baby, I love you, girl,
Girl, I wanna see you some day.
My antediluvian baby, oh yeah
I wanna see you some day, oh
My antediluvian baby.
My antediluvian baby, I wanna see you
My antediluvian baby, gotta tell me where she gone
I wanna see you some day
Wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up, oh yeah
Oh glub glub, down down, yeah
My antediluvian baby, oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

[CaptainClark23]

14. And what would Zappa think?

....The oil, in patches
All over Atlantis, Atlantis
You remember Atlantis
Donovan, the guy with the brocade coat,
Used to sing to you about Atlantis
You loved it, you were so involved then
That was back in the days when you used to
Smoke a banana
You would scrape the stuff off the middle
You would smoke it
You even thought you was getting ripped from it
No problem
Ah Atlantis, they could really get down there
The plankton, the krill
The giant underwater pyramid, the squid decor
Excuse me. Todd
The big ol' giant underwater door
The dome, the bubbles, the blue light
Light, light, light, light
Blue light blue light
The seepage, the sewage, the rubbers, the napkins
Your ethos, your pathos
Your flag hole, your port-hole
Your language
You're frightened
Your future
You can't even speak your own fucking language
You can't read it anymore
You can't write it anymore
Your language
The future of your language
Your meat loaf
Don't let your meat loaf
Heh, Heh, Heh
Your Micro-Nanette
Your Brut
Cologne....

[alfredo]

18. He's dead, so he's probably all dry and dusty now.

Not much to think about when in that state. Caskets are probably not the most inspiring environments.

[renegade000]

5. i thought they already

had a pretty strong idea that it was an island near greece, destroyed by a volcanic erruption.

[warrior1]

6. This was probably the site.

http://www.culture.gr/2/21/211/21121a/e211ua08.html

http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/europe_west_asia/santorini.html


The eruption of Santorini in Greece in 1,650 B.C. was one of the largest (VEI=6) in the last 10,000 years. About 7 cubic miles (30 cubic km) of rhyodacite magma was erupted. The plinian column during the initial phase of the eruption was about 23 miles (36 km) high. The removal of such a large volume of magma caused the volcano to collapse, producing a c aldera. Ash fell over a large area in the eastern Mediterranean and Turkey. The eruption probably caused the end of the Minoan civilization on the island of Crete.




Akroteri, a Minoan city on the south part of Thera, is being excavated. About 3-6 feet (1-2 m) of ash fell on the city which had a population of about 30,000. The residents appear to have been successfully evacuated prior to the eruption. No bodies hav e been found in the ash like those at Vesuvius. Archeologists also reported that movable objects had been taken from the city. Photography copyrighted by Robert Decker.

[PATRICK]

17. I was about to say that in much less

satisfying detail. Good presentation and the most likely. Some people are dazzled into looking for a more fabulous, personal discovery triumph.

I am more amazed our spy satellites aren't into the more lucrative business of finding undersea treasure wrecks, but maybe they are in the shallower seas.

[2cents]

7. If nothing else...

it will help Spain's tourist industry.

[truthisfreedom]

9. hey, people need something to believe in, and i'm all for something that

doesn't include crusades as part of the package.

[GoBlue]

10. Those concentric rings look photoshopped to me.

lower panel

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. Gee, I was wondering

why no one noticed them before?

I don't know whether this find is real or not, I just wanted to get some threads up that have nothing to do with St. Ronnie.

[Bob3]

12. Pick a number get in line with the others.

Every few years someone else claims that he or she has found Atlantis - the image that pops into my brain is the audition scene from the movie the Producers:

"Will all dancing discovers of Atlantis please move to the left, we are only auditioning singing discovers of Atlantis today"

Looking for Atlantis is the secular version of the search for Noah's ark - and it's as likely to come up with anything as that doomed quest. It can be entertaining but science it ain't.

[FlaGranny]

13. Atlantis may

or may not have been a real place, but I have no doubt that such a place could have existed. People 12 and and even 50 thousand years ago were just as intelligent and just as inventive as we are. The excavations, if possible in wetlands, will be interesting. If satellite images can reveal a meteor crater at Yucatan, they can certainly reveal the remains of ancient cities. Troy was once considered a mythical place.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=4032
"Modern scientists and archeologists use high technology such as satellite imagery to aid their search for ancient historical sites."

I didn't post any more because the whole article is only two paragraphs long.

Edit: I believe the scientist made a grave mistake by saying he may have found Atlantis, though. He should have kept quiet about what he thought it was and just said it was an ancient city. That would have deflected the criticism of skeptics, to whom nothing is even possible without irrefutable proof. I prefer to keep an open mind about nearly everything.

[lazarus]

16. of course

this all ignores the fact that Plato was using Atlantis as a metaphor, a fictional place.

I guess, in a thousand years, archaeologists will be looking for this Middle Earth place Tolkien wrote about?

[RedCloud]

19. Clearly we are doomed!

What impressive displays of ruins! How could such advanced honkies build things that would ruin?

Aztlan. Atlantis
Atlanta. Atlantis
Lines in Trinidade Brasil. Atlantis
Bolivia. Atlantis

Give it up. Did the ancient Greeks even have a symbol for zero?

And it the Atlantans were so smart, why didn't they see it coming?

Disney. Atlantis.
Star Gate in July. Atlantis.