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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:08 PM
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Tip of the Iceberg?
Officials of the NSA and DIA declined to comment. But law-enforcement sources confirmed that the FBI has opened an investigation into the codebreaking leak. The investigation will look into whether Chalabi or his group supplied information about U.S. codebreaking efforts to the Iranians. But, given that Chalabi is not a U.S. citizen and does not have a U.S. security clearance, the more critical issue for investigators will be to find out who in the U.S. government might have leaked such highly sensitive information to Chalabi and the INC, some officials say. Law-enforcement sources indicated that the American investigation will likely focus on whether sensitive information might have been leaked to Chalabi by officials in either the Pentagon or the U.S. Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad.

U.S. officials say the investigations into Chalabi’s activities may have a long way to go. In addition to the inquiry into the leak of classified information to Iran, Chalabi and the INC are under investigation for corruption by Iraqi authorities, who last month staged a raid on his home and office in Baghdad, and last weekend drove INC personnel out of a satellite office in the Iraqi provinces.

One Bush administration official said that in addition to harboring suspicions that Chalabi had been leaking sensitive U.S. information to Iran both before and after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, some U.S. officials also believe that Chalabi had collected and maintained files of potentially damaging information on U.S. officials with whom he had or was going to interact for the purpose of influencing them. Some officials said that when Iraqi authorities raided Chalabi’s offices, one of the things American officials hoped they would look for was Chalabi’s cache of information he had gathered on Americans.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5123436/site/newsweek/
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:18 PM
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1. Very interesting post...thanks!
This is worth repeating-

"some U.S. officials also believe that Chalabi had collected and maintained files of potentially damaging information on U.S. officials with whom he had or was going to interact for the purpose of influencing them. Some officials said that when Iraqi authorities raided Chalabi’s offices, one of the things American officials hoped they would look for was Chalabi’s cache of information he had gathered on Americans."

Seems to be an MO of how this guy operates. I wonder what kind of compromising information he has on the players in this administration. Wanna bet it has to do with rebuilding contracts?

What a completely insane and evil administration. Sharing our secret war plans with the Sauds. Outing CIA agents. Telling lies to get a War that kills 800 Americans. War profiteering. Letting 9/11 happen. Picking a Cheney-class criminal to lead Iraq.

We really have to remove the entire cancer this time.
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rfkrocks Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:21 PM
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2. Amen!
We must also send Delay back to the doghouse and Undertaker Frist back to the minority-This is the most important election since FDR.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:22 PM
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3. Did you see who bush's lawyer is?


June 02, 2004 -- 07:50 PM EDT // link // print)
More on the president's lawyering up in the Plame case.

The lawyer in question is identified as Jim Sharp. I assume that's James E. Sharp, a Washington attorney who also represented Iran-Contra luminary Richard V. Secord.

That may prove convenient since the case will quite possibly involve some of the players from the old days.

And here is the next logical question.

From everything we know about this case, the probable connections would far more likely be to the vice-president rather than the president. So someone should ask whether Vice President Cheney has lawyered up too.

-- Josh Marshall
more
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/


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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:31 PM
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16. NYT Confirms Jim Sharp of Iran-Contra era
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/03/politics/03leak.html

Mr. Sharp, who represented Gen. Richard V. Secord of the Air Force in the Iran-contra affair but is not widely known in Washington legal circles, could not be reached for comment late Wednesday.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:34 PM
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18. Jim Sharp Also Represented Jeb Magruder
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Unperson 309 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:26 PM
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13. I'd Love to see
someone who makes flash movies online do this:

Run headline images, one after another of all the scandals that have come out of this administration: "Bush Implicated In..." "Rumsfeld knew of..." along with pictures of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib.

The soundtrack? Bush's speech wherein he stated "This Administration will be the most ethical administration..." You know the speech. where he promised that NO scandals would happen, etc...

I SO want to see that!!

309
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:36 PM
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42. Did you see Chalabi talk about his opinion of Tenet?
He and George didn't seem to get along. If Chalabi had the capacity to show emotion (doubtful) he would've cheered at the news of the Tenet resignation. He was mad that the CIA had said bad things about him. He said they were all lies and didn't know why they would target a man like him.

Anyone else think the split between BushCo and the CIA on the Chalabi fiasco was the last straw for George? If you saw Chalabi's comments about Tenet, you'd know that there was a serious problem there.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:01 PM
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45. Send your suggestion to DUer symbolman
If he follows up on your idea you have to donate, though! :)
His website is www.takebackthemedia.com
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:06 PM
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36. no honor among thieves?
Who coulda guessed that?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:24 PM
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4. Now we have "one Bush administration official" leaking this info?
Hmmmm,...weird. Very weird leaky stuff going on.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:48 PM
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9. That must be the only "one" on whom Chalabi hasn't got the goods.
I'd nominate Norm Mineta.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:21 AM
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32. Chalabi must be very confused with NSA and DIA being involved.
He was pointing fingers at that "evil" CIA.

Now, what will he do? Advocate that the NSA and DIA have also tried to "undermine the president's efforts in Iraq"?

Boy O' they must have gotten some really juicy hard-copy material from Chalabi's computers and et al. stuff they collected.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:39 AM
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33. It'd be interesting to see how "off their reservation" the NRO and NSA ...
... have gotten. Their missions don't formally include humint or counter-espionage. That said, the NSA ('owner' of code-breaking mission) has got to be royally pissed.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:34 PM
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41. Well, hell, the OSP et al neocon-invented SAP stuff,...
,...has basically thrown the chess-board out the window. It's coming off like a chaotic shadow war. What coherence had existed is apparently in a state of total friction, division and battle.

It's just,...insane!!!! At least, it sure seems that way to me.

All I can say is,...let the "good" guys win.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:25 PM
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5. The first question that the worlds wants answered is:
Why were we even doing business with the thief? He's wanted in Jordan for taking down a bank?

Sits in the box with Laura?

Friends in the WH and the Pentagon and PNAC?

He robs Jordanians and they wanted to make him number 1 in Iraq?

Lord, tell us, where is the logic?

What is being done to our country?

From thief of money to thief of secrets.

And he's buddy-buddy with our leaders.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:32 PM
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7. Birds of a feather.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:26 PM
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12. Because they all all cut from the same cloth
Neil Bush...taking down a bank.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:28 PM
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6. More good news!
Couldn't happen to a more *evil* administration. Dominos are falling...
:evilfrown:

:eyes:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:35 PM
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8. My guess is that the leaker is Wolfowitz or Perle
Not that anything will be done to them, the BFEE is above the law evidently.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:39 PM
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22. I think it's Douglas Feith. He seems to have a really big mouth lately.
He may be the one who brings it all out.
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birdbrain Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:47 AM
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28. I bet it was W himself that blabbed.
Chalabi himself said his source was "very drunk." 'Nother reason to get him one of them lawyerin' fellas.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:02 PM
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10. This is obvious. It's a no brainer
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 10:03 PM by Cronus
Hillary Clinton did it. The drunken tollop was having an affair with Chalabi to piss Bill off and she let it slip while in her slip after drinking too much hooch.

/sarcasm

Click here for "HERO KERRY ZERO BUSH", "VETERAN KERRY AWOL BUSH" and other fair and balanced yet stunning, insulting, shocking, funny buttons, magnets and stickers
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:12 PM
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11. I watched Condi's interview on the Today Show this morning...
with all due respect, why is Katie Couric whoring for this band of criminals? Listening to the interview, the ill placed reverence, the atypical political politeness couched in carefully chosen rhetorical questions. Condi's quaking voice tremoring the words "it is perfectly clear" and "let me be perfectly clear" made absolutely no sense whatsoever until reading this article.

Yup, if this is the "Tip of the Iceberg"... we all are swimming in dangerous waters. These criminals know it's 'The Jig is Up time'...

I don't believe we will ever see them face the music, unless drastic action is taken to preempt another catastrophe befalling the American people. Their intent would be engulfing us in endless chaos and grieving.. allowing Bush and his sycophantic administration to regroup, shifting baselines and declaring a state of emergency..*martial law*

I hope the Secret Service realizes, we are all in jeopardy from this ruthless gang of malcontents who would rather see the world come to an end, than to be tried and convicted, for all the world to see, of High Crimes and Misdemeanors..

These misfits have nothing to lose.

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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:06 PM
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20. Katie "come fly up my asshole" Couric?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:21 PM
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21. If you must?
:hi:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:28 PM
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14. How does this link up with the Turkish intelligence issues
raised by the U.S. translator (see 9/11 threads) - ?
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:28 PM
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40. Sibel Edmonds?
Sorry, perhaps I am not following your train of thought...

Need some help here...thanks.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:30 PM
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15. Who is the leaker?
In this other thread, TheWraith makes a strong argument for it being Paul Bremmer.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:42 PM
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44. Anything is possible, I suppose.
After all, these guys have spent a lifetime brain-f*cking others to the best of their ability. If that's the case, I imagine they are finally confronting an overwhelming force of folks who simply will NOT tolerate being BS'd on a regular basis.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:32 PM
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17. Who in their right fucking mind could vote for junior?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:58 PM
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19. I don't know but lets track 'em down!
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:46 PM
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23. This Should Sound Familiar To Anyone Who's Been Following
The other threads on this story:

"One Bush administration official said that in addition to harboring suspicions that Chalabi had been leaking sensitive U.S. information to Iran both before and after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, some U.S. officials also believe that Chalabi had collected and maintained files of potentially damaging information on U.S. officials with whom he had or was going to interact for the purpose of influencing them. Some officials said that when Iraqi authorities raided Chalabi’s offices, one of the things American officials hoped they would look for was Chalabi’s cache of information he had gathered on Americans."

This has been brought up in other threads on the subject.

Yeah, this mother fucker did some serious damage. Nobody but Chalabi knows how much. The neocons and dupes of Bushco. have much to answer for. Treason is certain.


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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:48 AM
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24. i.e. He may have the goods on Cheney
Bush, Rummy, Perle, lots of these PNAC types. This could get very interesting, although I suspect Chalabi is not long for this world, unless he has convinced certain people that his death will create some automatic information leaks that would be highly damaging. Perhaps all this stuff about leaking code-breaking to Iran is for the purpose of discrediting him after he is killed, along the lines:

"Oh, well, he was a spy who sold vital national security information to the axis of evil, so why would you believe any of his claims".
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:08 PM
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46. chalabi is NOT stupid... remember, he was the first on the scene...
...(with US blessing, of course) at sadam's secret files. i have no doubt that chalabi has taken out "insurance policies" against the neocons. And now that the neocon cred is in the toilet, if ANYTHING happens to chalabi, many people throughout the world will point fingers at the us, and probably rightly so.

The neocons are a nest of vipers, as is chalabi. He's quite familiar with the species.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:05 AM
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25. Kick!
:kick:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:12 AM
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26. Another chunk of the icegurg fell off this morning
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x599147

Bush Knew About Leak of CIA Operative's Name

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4629.shtml

Witnesses told a federal grand jury President George W. Bush knew about, and took no action to stop, the release of a covert CIA operative's name to a journalist in an attempt to discredit her husband, a critic of administration policy in Iraq.

Their damning testimony has prompted Bush to contact an outside lawyer for legal advice because evidence increasingly points to his involvement in the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame's name to syndicated columnist Robert Novak.


The ship of state is sinking fast. Time to head for the lifeboats.


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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:58 AM
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29. Holy Mole with extra Chilis!! Someone said BUSH KNEW
and they probably aren't DUers!!!

:bounce:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:04 AM
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30. Not only did someone say this
they told it to a grand jury.

I can't wait till W starts ranting about tracking down the criminal who leaked grand jury testimony.

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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:11 AM
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31. A VERY BIG line has been crossed.
The last defense for these criminals I always hear is "prove he lied" or "prove they did something illegal" because Clinton "lied under oath."

No matter how small the lie, no matter what it's about...if Smirkaholic lies to a court...our long horrible nightmare will at last be over!

Thanks for that link!


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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:21 PM
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37. Bush may just stay overseas
Maybe he'll do what they're worried about Michael Jackson doing, and just stay in Paris.

He can hang out with Roman Polanski
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:29 PM
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38. Are you kidding. The French can't stand Bush!
The only true reason why France is letting him visit is so they can rub it in his face, "I TOLD YOU SO". :spank:
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:15 AM
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27. worst administration EVER!!!! n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:40 AM
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34. Amen! It's not even close.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:25 PM
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35. But who leaked the information to Chalabi? And why?
He allegedy hasn't set foot in Iraq since the Fifties. Why would he need to have information about military activities there?

:headbang:
rocknation
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:50 PM
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39. Ironic that they are not equally concerned about the Bandar-Iraq leak
when, according to Plan of Attack, Bandar was shown the war plans marked "Not for Foreign Eyes".
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:39 PM
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43. Such shades of 1973. Such Nixonian evil (only worse). Yeats said it best:
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.


From W.B. Yeat's The Second Coming.
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