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shawn703 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:53 AM
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Libertarians pick their nominee
Michael Badnarik, a computer programmer from Texas, won the Libertarian Party’s presidential nomination on Sunday.

Badnarik, 49, of Austin, defeated former Hollywood movie producer Aaron Russo on the convention’s third ballot, after former radio host Gary Nolan, who was eliminated on the second ballot, endorsed Badnarik.

“If I can win the nomination, there’s no reason I can’t win this election,” Badnarik told a cheering convention that drew more than 800 delegates.

more...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5100095/
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:56 AM
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1. Haha....
"“If I can win the nomination, there’s no reason I can’t win this election,” Badnarik told a cheering convention that drew more than 800 delegates."

I can think of a reason, those 800 delegates represent about 1% of your anticipated vote total. Hey, but maybe Republicans will cross over in droves to vote for him. That would be funny, and after 2000, I'd love to see the GOP spend the next 4 years blaming Bush's loss on some "third party vanity candidate"...
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:48 AM
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4. did you hear them ?
i saw some of the convention on tv. and they say things like how if they can get their message out they can win. and they play the whole two parties are the same and principle over voting for the lesser of two evils. if you take out most of their positions on specific issues they sound very familiar.
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detoth1967 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:08 AM
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2. Libertarian Could Cost Chimpy the election
WASHINGTON, DC -- The Libertarian presidential candidate who will be nominated in Atlanta on Sunday may have a bigger impact on the race than Ralph Nader and “could cost Mr. Bush his job in 2004,” according to an analysis by David Paul Kuhn, chief political writer for CBSNews.com.

The May 21 article, headlined “Bush’s Third-Party Threat,” says many conservatives are so upset with Republican spending increases that they may abandon Bush in November. If that happens, the Libertarian nominee “may do for Democrats in 2004 what Nader did for Republicans in 2000” and cost Bush the election, Kuhn says.

http://lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=658
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:56 PM
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10. Hi detoth1967!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:25 PM
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14. fed2dneck to Libertarians: Give Bush some of his own medicine
Let's see how well he--and the Rethugs--can take what they so easily dish out!!!

I can't wait for the fun we can have when Bush is sent home packing because a Libertarian splitting the conservative vote :evilgrin:.
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:04 PM
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17. welcome to DU detoth1967
n/t
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:42 PM
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22. a vote for Badnarik is a vote for Kerry
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:44 AM
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27. Welcome to the DU...
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 03:44 AM by Pachamama
... :hi: :kick:

Nice to have Newbies' join in on the fun with the rest of us insomniacs....



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amjsjc Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:35 AM
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3. Remember kids...
...tell your right wing friends to cast a principled vote for the Libertarian/Constitution party candidate of their choice....

... and tell your left wing friends to get half a brain, shunt their reservations down the crapper, and vote for the candidate who can win the election.
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 04:22 AM
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6. So...What yer saying is...
Principles are only for folks on the right while the left should be mindless bots? I'm sure they would love that sound byte.

Seems in actuality both of the major parties seem fairly bereft of any principles or guiding vision, other than the neo-con vision of Armageddon.

I shall vote my conscience and principles on election day.
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amjsjc Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:42 PM
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13. No I'm saying...
Tell your conservative friends to vote for a candidate who can't win, and your liberal friends to vote for a candidate who can.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:56 PM
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15. libertarians have just as much in common
With the left as they do the right. Remember they are social liberals and fiscal conservatives.
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amjsjc Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 12:45 AM
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24. But the ones who vote for the party...
Do tend to be of a rather conservative bent, in my estimation.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 01:35 AM
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25. Where I come from there are a lot of libertarian leaning liberals
But then again I live in LA and just about everyone I know is a liberal...
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amjsjc Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:35 AM
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26. True
I have a bit of a libertarian streak myself... I'm unabashedly socially liberal, but I could think of a few parts of the govt that should be done away with.

Regardless, most of the people I know who actually voted for the Libertarian party were closer to being Republicans than Dems
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 04:22 AM
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5. Silly, Silly Looneytarians. nt
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:12 AM
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7. I wonder why the libertarians were against Iraq war...
...They have a 'Libertarian paradise' in Iraq now: There's no effective policing; there's no government; no public services; no taxation and no Department of Education. They would love us to live in that same type of mess.
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:19 AM
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8. Religious police
are in control of Falluja, so that's not quite true everywhere.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:49 PM
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29. Yeah, but they're not the official government:

they're more analogous to the private corporate goon-squads that would rule our streets if we abolished the government.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:56 AM
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9. Lol! Yes a working model of Libertarianism...
I'd love to hear their response to that argument.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:58 PM
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16. liberatrianism does not advocate a land without laws
Merely fewer of them and ones that do not restrict the rights of the citizenry.

Iraq would not be a working model of a libertarian society, far from it in fact.
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:09 PM
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11. The convention was hilarious
It is so funny that they can keep a straight face during the entire thing.

The internal politics of the party are complicated.

Apparently, Gary Nolan and Aaron Russo have an ongoing feud. So, when Nolan lost on the second ballot Nolan endorsed Badnarik so that Russo wouldn't win. Then, Badnarik won and Russo, in his concession speech, said that he really had wanted to win so that Nolan wouldn't get the nomination so he was happy. And I've heard that Badnarik is really just a pawn of Harry Browne, the 2000 nominee who still runs the party along with his allies. All this so one of them can get .4% of the vote or so in November.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:14 PM
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12. I'd like to see this played up a lot
The better known blogs ought to run with this as a big story. I'd sure like to see this guy get some press. There are as many people in the RW who want to be mavericks as on the left. I'd like to see that they have the chance. And do we have a PAC that can get this guy some money?
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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:09 PM
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18. They're going to tip the election to Bush by not voting for Kerry!!!
Damn Libertarians, damn Nader!!! Dammit, EVERYBODY HAS TO VOTE KERRY, haven't they heard??
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:27 PM
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20. Unlike some around here, the Libertarians do believe in the Bill of Rights
I believe in the Bill of Rights and I am not even a Libertarian. The PATRIOT Act is the greatest threat to our liberties since the Alien and Sedition Acts. Nothing short of outright repeal of PATRIOT will do!

Dennis Kucinich supports total repeal of PATRIOT. How about you? Do you want your civil liberties restored, or do you trust Big Brother to protect you from Big Brother?

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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:43 PM
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21. I hear ya IG
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:09 PM
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19. If the Libertarians come knocking at your door....
...asking you to sign a petition to get on the ballot in your state, sign it. Disgruntled Repubs will vote Libertarian before they cross over to vote for Kerry. Certainly this is true in the South. Every little bit helps!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:49 PM
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23. Sweet! So long as they are not voting Bush or Nader. n/t
n/t
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:47 AM
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28. My Dad's a Reagan Republican - he voted Libertarian in 2000 & will again..
...this year....He's a hard-core Republican who can't stand Bush, especially regarding what he sees as too much Gov't control and attacks on civil liberties....atleast my Dad is a Republican with principles that he stands behind...oh yeah, and he's pro-choice...go Dad!

:kick:
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 05:39 PM
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30. 'Am encouraging conservative relatives to vote libertarian as they
would never pull the lever for a Democrat and at least a Lib vote will help mess up Shrub.
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