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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:43 AM
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Kerry Calls for More Troops to Bolster U.S. Military
Kerry Calls for More Troops to Bolster U.S. Military (Update1)
May 28 (Bloomberg) --

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry called for increasing the U.S. military by 40,000 troops, probably for a decade, in order ``to match its new missions'' in the war on terror and homeland security.

``I make this simple pledge,'' Kerry, 60, said in remarks prepared for delivery to veterans and military families in Green Bay, Wisconsin. ``If I am president, I will fight for a constant standard of decency and respect for those who serve their country in our armed forces -- on active duty and as veterans.''

The added troops would help ``relieve over-extended'' National Guard and reservists in Iraq and Afghanistan, Kerry spokesman David Wade said. Half of the additional 40,000 troops would be used as military police and for civil affairs, tasks now mainly carried out by reservists; the other 20,000 would be combat troops. The U.S. now has about 138,000 troops in Iraq.

Kerry's plan is one of four priorities for a new U.S. security policy he outlined yesterday in Seattle. His other three priorities are: to forge new international alliances, use diplomacy and economic leverage in addition to military might and reduce dependence on Middle Eastern oil.

entire article--
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=71000001&refer=us&sid=apQHTegvEtDo
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:47 AM
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1. I hope he is lying
just to help his election chances. A draft army would be better - a military made up of non-voluntary citizens would be less likely to carry out illegal orders and would have more of the country concerned about their deployment. Adding more soldiers to the Iraqi conquest is not the way to go.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:53 AM
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4. They should send
* and thugs over there to do their time. When's the shit going to hit the fan about * and the truth about everything?! Are they all involved and is that the reason for the coverups? It's time for people to take to the streets.
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Solidarity Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:56 AM
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6. I Think Kerry Is Telling The Truth
" I hope he is lying just to help his election chances."

If Kerry is lying on this issue what other issues is he lying about just to get elected? If your right, it seems we can't place very much confidence in a man who lies in persuit of personal ambitions.

I think he is telling the truth, what he actually will do on this issue.

Move to the right of George Bush and advocate more money for war and less money for social programs in order to finance war. That's the ticket!


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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:21 PM
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14. GWB sent too few troop, security is crap, our troops are getting killed
because of that. . .and they can't get the infrastructure rebuilt etc etc because security is crap. Listen to what Zinni et al are saying. More troops means better security means getting the infrastructure rebuilt means bringing stabilization means handing it over to Iraq means getting the hell out and coming home ASAP!
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 02:30 PM
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22. Sending more troops means more killing and a widening of the
conflict. Didn't we learn that in Vietnam? Pull the troops out. Look, is the US being aided by even a small part of the Iraqi populas? No. Only a percentage of the Iraqi people may be actively fighting the US, but a huge majority are either supporting the insurection or just watching from the sidelines. So why are we there? The polls show that over 80% of the Iraqi people want the US out. So why are we there? The best way to insure our troops security is to withdraw them - all of them out, now!
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:10 PM
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42. I concur...
I've read somewhere that Israel is involved, but it's hush-hush...* has been USED for the chimp that he is, and our sons are coming home in BOXES!!
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:10 PM
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30. More troops = more security for those there.
Listen to Gen. Zinni, Bush didn't!
:think:
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:57 PM
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15. Sometimes you have to "stretch" the facts to get what you want...
and I'll support it, but if he brings back the Draft then
he knows that he'll be booted out in 08'!
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:11 PM
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43. Booted out in '08....
and how many MORE of our children will be dead!
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 11:55 AM
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58. How do you send 40,000 troops to a country with 'full sovereignty"?
After June 30 won't it be up to the Iraqis to decide how many foreign troops they allow in their country?
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:48 AM
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2. John Kerry Is Offerring Specifics
All Bush and his handlers are offerring are attacks on John Kerry.

The choice becomes more and more obvious with each passsing day.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:49 AM
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3. 20,000 more Eleven-Bravo's and 20,000 more Thirty-One-Bravo's
Where's the Universal Service Act when we need one?
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:56 AM
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5. Why doesn't Kerry just come out and say...
"The war on terror is a contrived and cruel farce." We don't need more troops, we need leadership that has a vision to promote social and economic justice."

More troops, bombs and fighting only INCREASES our chances of creating more enemies.

Imagine if we had spent billions and billions of dollars on making friends instead of enemies.

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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:56 AM
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7. have a hard time supporting this
I cannot get a handle on what Kerry wants as far as empire goes. I do not trust him much, I regret to say.

Apparently, he approves of the fourteen new military bases that will be built in Iraq. Apparently he wants the same hegemony in the ME, but glosses over the reasons by saying diplomacy is important.

I am really having a hard time mustering up enthusiasm for this Kerry intiative.

We use the military to defend ourselves--not to station ourselves in strategic places so we can be posititoned to attack other small and defenseless countries.

Fed up with everything military that comes out of the halls of this government from both parties.

We are dying because some have no health care. Seniors are suffering, and are suffering beyond what anyone can imagine, while, 130 million A DAY goes to support our rah rah, warmongering hepped up bully boys who are fighting for our "freedoms" and seem to be totally corrupt or at the least, support their CIC, the AWOL Bush.

Do not seniors in our own country have the freedom to have access to health care that the rich do without going totally bankrupt and headed toward poor house? Is that NOT a freedom? To be able to care for oneself if one is sick withouit having to bankrupt themself and leave huge bills for their children to pay? Where are our troops fighting for that freedom? What we should be getting is now given to the Iraqi people whom for some reason are more destitute and deserve more support than our own suffering people. I mean--reconstruct what we destroyed costing us billions--and our own are dying because they are being turned away from expensive health care. It is obscene.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:15 PM
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10. the seeds of discontent have been sown
I hope there is more to Kerry than meets the eye.
We cannot afford to travel Bush road much longer.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:17 PM
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12. He wants the US soldiers there now to stop being killed
There aren't enough troops for adequate security. Bush has put our troops who are there in harms way. Likewise, there isnt adequate security to rebuild the crap we blew up. As soon as we do that we can get the hell out. It is pretty simple, get things in shape hand it over to Iraqis and get out.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:14 PM
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44. You're right on target...n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:10 PM
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8. Bring the troops home Mr. Kerry
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Solidarity Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:13 PM
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9. He Might!
He might yet be compelled to do that .... in a weak sort of way ..... if enough pressure is put on him by Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich and other liberals and progressives.

But if pressure is required, one would have to ask if Kerry really means it should he change his position.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:19 PM
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13. He needs to start saying that - loud and clear
Dems and Progressives want to hear it.
They need to hear it. Young people want to hear him say,
'No draft for a war on Iraq.' If he must draft at some point,
he must. But not for this.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:15 PM
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11. Did you support the U.S. intervention in Haiti under Clinton?
What about Kosovo?

I think there will be places in the world where U.S. peacekeepers will be helpful. I think the Repubs cut down the military so that they could send in mercenaries. That way there is less personal responsibility for the fighters and MORE profit for Halliburton.

Kerry's idea is truly better for our country.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:18 PM
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17. No I am sorry, but after the fact analysis like that only supports the
Edited on Fri May-28-04 01:20 PM by Marianne
Bush initiative, which was totally and absolutely wrong.

I believe in my heart, that is the reason Kerry voted to give Bush the blank check. He actually wants those spoils also, but laid back, just like he is doing now, and he let Bush do the invading and the screwing up. Therefore he was positioned to take advantage , either way when he decided to run.

Except many people are not buying this holding back and having to guess or use magical thinking, or use logic such as our invasion and killing of thousands and thousands of children, innocent children on lies,was bad, but making the best of it by putting more troops there to remind the Iraqi people of what we have done, is better for our country and the establishment of fourtenn military bases on Iraqi soil, the grabbing of their natural resources and all of the rest of the humiliations that a colonizer brings with it in order to "help" is simply accepted as the inevitable, so we better just take it and make the best of it :eyes:

I do not buy it. It was a pre-emptive attack based on practically blatant and arrogant lies and was supported by Kerry, Clinton and a whole lot of others. They were looking ahead to the occupation or the colonization and not bothering to look at the cost in human life. That much is obvious.

It is not better for our country and it never was in any form that it is being presented for us to swallow, Have we forgotten how we went there, and how we murdered those people? . I also do not buy the schtick that "as long as it happened, we may as well do the best with it we can" Well that is what Bush says too, isn't it?

Please refresh my memory--did we invade and make war on Haiti under a man who declared imself a "war president"?
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 02:43 PM
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23. I agree.. no arguments from me Marianne!
Just putting more lipstick on the pig if you ask me. :shrug: The more the merrier, eh? NOT!

I'm having a hellacious hard time convincing myself to vote for his ass come November. Kucinich is my man, but I do agree that we can't afford another 4 years of this crap!

So, I'm between a rock and a hard place and Kerry knows that many like you and I are caught between this rock while he panders to the same crowd that worships the current admin. The ABB slogan is right up his ally! Sickens me.

There's something...I can't put my finger on it...about Kerry that I just do not like and that makes me feel he is no different except that he has sheeps clothing and is better at speeches and casual talks since he does have a brain.

If we don't vote for Kerry then we will be called the Nader pariahs of 2004 if Kerry doesn't get elected. That doesn't bother me, but another 4 years of this admin and what is possible during that times scares the daylights outta me!

Just my two cents worth and not asking anyone NOT to vote for Kerry.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:19 PM
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46. I feel the same as you...n/t
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:07 PM
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25. If Bush had allowed Inspections and Diplomacy to run its course
they would have found NO WMD's and there would have been NO Invasion.

This is what John Kerry was advocating all along. . .get the inspectors in and let them do their job, let diplomacy run its course.

So your "theory" about John Kerry and Bill Clinton wanting to invade Iraq for its treasures really is unsupportable.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:31 PM
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26. Oh sure
Edited on Fri May-28-04 04:35 PM by Marianne
that means that Robert Byrd was wrong, as well as Kucinich as well as all of those millions of people who saw through it--right?

No not right.

The heroes are those, not Kerry, who, like us, who protested, and wrote and begged and did everything we could to stop this insanity were wrong too--right?

How is that we knew, that Kucinich knew, that a handful of brave souls knew and said so, and that those like Kerry and other entrenched, sophisticated Washington beltway senators, did NOT know?

No way. The excuse is too transparent.

There was politics involved here. There was politics on the part of all of those who voted to give Bush the blank check to do with Iraq and other places what he will. If he succeeded, they were with him, if he did not, they could claim they were duped and lied to.

and Bush thumbed his nose at the UN and NO ONE, including KERRY, saw fit to challenge him on that either.

and so he went on his murderous rampage--with the complicit silence of those in congress who voted for it in complete complicity with the slaughter of thousands of innocent people.

sorry, review the facts. Those who voted for it, KNEW --they paid no attention to our letters, NONE. They were playing the politics game--positioning themselves in case Bush failed, or, on the other hand,m in case Bush succeeded!!! voila, the quintessential politician!

and don't they learn fast a la Hillary Clinton.

A few did manage to preserve their sense of conscience, and integrity. I admire them all, including the Republican, Lincoln Chaffee from Rhode Island who was the only R senator to vote against i
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:43 PM
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27. Kerry challenged him, but the press did not report it
Edited on Fri May-28-04 04:45 PM by emulatorloo
Or they attacked him for being unpatriotic. . .an example:

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040303-084912-1122r.htm

DrFunkenstein has done some nice compendiums of JK challenges to Bush from DAY ONE. . .a search on his user name should turn some up.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:00 PM
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29.  well, I am not convinced
Edited on Fri May-28-04 05:03 PM by Marianne
A quote from that Washington Times, moonie publication"

"What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein in Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States."

a regime change is what was spun from the White House after they could not any longer defend the WMD claim.

Then, Kerry and others saw the opportunity to challenge Bush once it was obvious there were no WMD and perhaps that those who supported him in the congress had made a horrendous mistake. It was time to try to salvage something.

He never challenged the "pre-emptive attack" dogma at all and voted to give Bush the authority to attack Iraq and any others and with a pre-emptive philosophy.

He has not expressed regret or admitted to this mistake at all.

If he had, I would not be wondering where he stands now. and I am not the only one.

It is also possible, since he has never retracted that decision or admitted to the mistake in his vote to give Bush that blank check, that he, indeed does think that occupying Iraq, taking control of it's resources and establishing bases there is a plus for America and adds to our hegemony in that area of the world.

If a man does not say, or insists upon remaining obscure, then we are left to try to parse it out the best we can. and we are left to wonder how come we need to do that.

We should not have to do that in order to figure out whether or not we will give that person our vote. We should be a little more confident in the facts . We have not been granted that by Kerry so far. And, I regret to say, we probably will not be. So the vote will be based on a wing and a prayer, or magical thinking.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:27 PM
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35. With apologies to DrFunkenstein
I will paste a post of his that I saved to my Hard Drive. Dr Funkenstein wrote:


Topic: Key Floor Remarks Clear Up Kerry's IWR Position

There still seems to be confusion for some about Kerry's position about his vote. I hope this helps people understand that Kerry would have handled the situation very differently if he were Commander-in-Chief, and I believe that these statements make it clear that he is more than up for the job (not to mention the role of Chief Diplomat).

Key Passages To The Senator's Floor Speech

Making it clear

I am voting to give this authority to the President for one reason and one reason only: to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction if we cannot accomplish that objective through new tough weapons inspections. In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days - to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out "tough, immediate" inspections requirements and to "act with our allies at our side" if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force.

If he fails to do so, I will be the first to speak out.


Speaking prophetically

If we go it alone without reason, we risk inflaming an entire region and breeding a new generation of terrorists, a new cadre of anti-American zealots - and we will be less secure, not more secure, at the end of the day, even with Saddam Hussein disarmed.

Let there be no doubt or confusion as to where I stand: I will support a multilateral effort to disarm Iraq by force, if we have exhausted all other options. But I cannot - and will not - support a unilateral, US war against Iraq unless the threat is imminent and no multilateral effort is possible.


Was the threat imminent?

Every nation has the right to act preemptively if it faces an imminent and grave threat. But the threat we face, today, with Iraq fails the test. Yes, it is grave because of the deadliness of Saddam Hussein's arsenal and the very high probability that he will use these weapons one day if he is not disarmed. But it is not imminent.

None of our intelligence reports suggest that Saddam Hussein is about to launch any kind of attack against us or countries in the region. The argument for going to war against Iraq is rooted in enforcement of the international community's demand that Iraq disarm. It is not rooted in the doctrine of preemption.


Saddam sought nuclear weapons, but did not have the capability

According to the CIA's report, all US intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons. There is little question that Saddam Hussein wants to develop nuclear weapons. The more difficult question to answer is when Iraq could actually achieve this goal. That depends on is its ability to acquire weapons-grade fissile material. If Iraq could acquire this material from abroad, the CIA estimates that it could have a nuclear weapon within one year. Absent a foreign supplier, the CIA estimates that Iraq would not be able to produce a weapon until the last half of this decade.

The 9/11 connection

In the wake of September 11, who among us can discount the possibility that those weapons might be used against our troops or our allies in the region? And while the administration has failed to prove any direct link between Iraq and the events of September 11, can we afford to ignore the possibility that Saddam Hussein might provide weapons of destruction to some terrorist group bent on destroying the United States?


No regional war, no regime change

The revised White House text, which we will vote on, limits the grant of authority to the President to the use of force against Iraq. It does not empower him to use force throughout the Persian Gulf region. It authorizes the President to use U.S. Armed Forces to defend the "national security" of the United States - a power he already has under the Constitution as Commander-in-Chief - and to enforce all "relevant" Security Council relations related to Iraq. None of these resolutions, or for that matter any of the other Security Council resolutions demanding Iraqi compliance with its international obligations, call for regime change.

As much as we decry the way he has treated his people, regime change alone is not a sufficient reason for going to war...Regime change in and of itself is not sufficient justification for going to war unless regime change is the only way to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction. As bad as he is, Saddam Hussein, the dictator, is not the cause of war. Saddam Hussein sitting in Baghdad with an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction is a different matter.


Bush scares off allies with loose talk

By beginning its public discourse with talk of invasion and regime change, the Administration raised doubts about its bona fides on the most legitimate justification for war - that in the post-September 11 world, the unrestrained threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein is unacceptable and that his refusal to allow U.N. inspectors to return is in blatant violation of the 1991 cease-fire agreement that left him in power.

By casting about in an unfocused, undisciplined, overly public internal debate for a rationale for war, the Administration complicated its own case, confused the American public, and compromised America's credibility in the eyes of the world community. And by engaging in hasty war talk, rather than focusing on the central issue of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, the Administration placed doubts in the mind of potential allies, particularly in the Mideast where managing the Arab streets is difficult at best.


We need allies to bear the burden of nation-building

If we do go to war with Iraq, we have an obligation to the Iraqi people, and to other nations in the region, to help create an Iraq that is a force for stability and openness in the region. That effort is going to be long-term, costly and not without difficulties given Iraq's ethnic and religious divisions in Iraq and history of domestic turbulence.

In Afghanistan, the Administration has given more lip-service than resources to the rebuilding effort. We cannot let that happen in Iraq. We have to be prepared to stay the course over however many years it takes and to commit the necessary financial and technical resources, which could amount to billions, to succeed. The challenge is great: an Administration which made nation-building a dirty word needs to develop a comprehensive, Marshall-type plan if it intends to meet it.

The President needs to give the American people a fuller and clearer understanding of the magnitude and the long-term financial costs of this effort. The international community's support is critical, because we will not be able to rebuild Iraq single-handedly. In the final analysis we will need the commitment of others, particularly nations in the region, to achieve this task.



What his own experiences as a soldier taught him

One of the lessons I learned fighting in a very different war at a very different time is that we need the consent of the American people for our mission to be legitimate and sustainable. I know what it means to fight in a war where that consent is lost, where allies are in short supply, conditions are hostile, and the mission is ill-defined. That's why I believe so strongly that before one American soldier steps foot on Iraqi soil, the American people need to know why -- they need to know we've put our country in a position of ultimate strength -- and that we had no options short of war to eliminate a threat we could not tolerate.



Bush originally tried to end-run Congress

The Bush Administration began talking about Iraq by suggesting that congressional consultation and authorization for the use of force were not needed...The Administration began this process suggesting that the United States might well go to war over Saddam Hussein's failure to return Kuwaiti property - last week the Secretary of State and on Monday night the President made clear we would go to war only to disarm Iraq.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:10 PM
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41. all of that is simply the beltway politics that have become really at this
Edited on Fri May-28-04 07:13 PM by Marianne
point, absolutely distasteful to me. The raw fact remains that he gave the blank check to Bush no matter how much he tried to gloss that over as events changed and as Bush changed the motiviation and the reasoning behind his invasion, and now is in the postion of saying that since Bush screwed it up, well, then we may as well make the best of it and while we are at it, let us increase the numbers of our troops by 40,000 members.

I post this speech by Senator Robert Byrd

I only wish the others who gave a stupid man the blank check to do with what he would with our troops, had the balls of this 85 year old statesman, instead of playing politics and twisting and turning in the gyre.

and another annoying fact is that he is not supplying us with anything concrete at all that we may hang our confidence upon. We now know he wants to increas troops by 40,000. Uh huh--that does give us a clue and it is unfortunate that we must rely upon "clues" in order to support a candidate. It is almost as obfuscating as the Bush regime. Do not fear. Those of us who are aware, will vote for Kerry, reluctantly if he keeps it up inhis present mode, simply because we want the evil Bush removed and humiliated.


Truth, crushed to earth, shall rise again,--
The eternal years of God are hers;
But Error, wounded, writhes in pain,
And dies among his worshippers."



Truth has a way of asserting itself despite all attempts to obscure it. Distortion only serves to derail it for a time. No matter to what lengths we humans may go to obfuscate facts or delude our fellows, truth has a way of squeezing out through the cracks, eventually. But the danger is that at some point it may no longer matter. The danger is that damage is done before the truth is widely realized. The reality is that, sometimes, it is easier to ignore uncomfortable facts and go along with whatever distortion is currently in vogue.

We see a lot of this today in politics. I see a lot of it--more than I would ever have believed--right on this Senate floor. Regarding the situation in Iraq, it appears to this senator that the American people may have been lured into accepting the unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation, in violation of longstanding International law, under false premises. There is ample evidence that the horrific events of September 11 have been carefully manipulated to switch public focus from Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, who masterminded the September 11 attacks, to Saddam Hussein, who did not. The run-up to our invasion of Iraq featured the President and members of his Cabinet invoking every frightening image they could conjure, from mushroom clouds, to buried caches of germ warfare, to drones poised to deliver germ-laden death in our major cities. We were treated to a heavy dose of overstatement concerning Saddam Hussein's direct threat to our freedoms. The tactic was guaranteed to provoke a sure reaction from a nation still suffering from a combination of post-traumatic stress and justifiable anger after the attacks of 911. It was the exploitation of fear. It was a placebo for the anger.

Since the war's end, every subsequent revelation that has seemed to refute the previous dire claims of the Bush Administration has been brushed aside. Instead of addressing the contradictory evidence, the White House deftly changes the subject. No weapons of mass destruction have yet turned up, but we are told that they will in time. Perhaps they yet will. But our costly and destructive bunker-busting attack on Iraq seems to have proven, in the main, precisely the opposite of what we were told was the urgent reason to go in. It seems also to have, for the present, verified the assertions of Hans Blix and the inspection team he led, which President Bush and company so derided. As Blix always said, a lot of time will be needed to find such weapons, if they do indeed exist. Meanwhile, bin Laden is still on the loose and Saddam Hussein has come up missing. The Administration assured the US public and the world, over and over again, that an attack was necessary to protect our people and the world from terrorism. It assiduously worked to alarm the public and blur the faces of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden until they virtually became one.

What has become painfully clear in the aftermath of war is that Iraq was no immediate threat to the United States. Ravaged by years of sanctions, Iraq did not even lift an airplane against us. Iraq's threatening, death-dealing fleet of unmanned drones about which we heard so much morphed into one prototype made of plywood and string. Their missiles proved to be outdated and of limited range. Their army was quickly overwhelmed by our technology and our well-trained troops. Presently our loyal military personnel continue their mission of diligently searching for WMDs. They have so far turned up only fertilizer, vacuum cleaners, conventional weapons and the occasional buried swimming pool. They are misused on such a mission, and they continue to be at grave risk. But the Bush team's extensive hype of WMDs in Iraq as justification for a pre-emptive invasion has become more than embarrassing. It has raised serious questions about prevarication and the reckless use of power. Were our troops needlessly put at risk? Were countless Iraqi civilians killed and maimed when war was not really necessary? Was the American public deliberately misled? Was the world?

What makes me cringe even more is the continued claim that we are "liberators." The facts don't seem to support the label we have so euphemistically attached to ourselves. True, we have unseated a brutal, despicable despot, but "liberation" implies the follow-up of freedom, self-determination and a better life for the common people. In fact, if the situation in Iraq is the result of liberation, we may have set the cause of freedom back 200 years. Despite our high-blown claims of a better life for the Iraqi people, water is scarce and often foul, electricity is a sometime thing, food is in short supply, hospitals are stacked with the wounded and maimed, historic treasures of the region and of the Iraqi people have been looted, and nuclear material may have been disseminated to heaven knows where, while US troops, on orders, looked on and guarded the oil supply. Meanwhile, lucrative contracts to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure and refurbish its oil industry are awarded to Administration cronies, without benefit of competitive bidding, and the United States steadfastly resists offers of UN assistance to participate. Is there any wonder that the real motives of the US government are the subject of worldwide speculation and mistrust?

And in what may be the most damaging development, the United States appears to be pushing off Iraq's clamor for self-government. Jay Garner has been summarily replaced, and it is becoming all too clear that the smiling face of the United States as liberator is quickly assuming the scowl of an occupier. The image of the boot on the throat has replaced the beckoning hand of freedom. Chaos and rioting only exacerbate that image, as US soldiers try to sustain order in a land ravaged by poverty and disease. "Regime change" in Iraq has so far meant anarchy, curbed only by an occupying military force and a US administrative presence that is evasive about if and when it intends to depart. Democracy and freedom cannot be force-fed at the point of an occupier's gun. To think otherwise is folly.

One has to stop and ponder. How could we have been so impossibly naïve? How could we expect to easily plant a clone of US culture, values and government in a country so riven with religious, territorial and tribal rivalries, so suspicious of US motives and so at odds with the galloping materialism that drives the Western-style economies? As so many warned this Administration before it launched its misguided war on Iraq, there is evidence that our crackdown thereis likely to convince 1,000 new bin Ladens to plan other horrors of the type we have seen in the past several days. Instead of damaging the terrorists, we have given them new fuel for their fury. We did not complete our mission in Afghanistan because we were so eager to attack Iraq. Now it appears that Al Qaeda is back with a vengeance. We have returned to orange alert in the United States, and we may well have destabilized the Mideast region, a region we have never fully understood.

We have alienated friends around the globe with our dissembling and our haughty insistence on punishing former friends who may not see things quite our way. The path of diplomacy and reason have gone out the window, to be replaced by force, unilateralism and punishment for transgressions. I read most recently with amazement our harsh castigation of Turkey, our longtime friend and strategic ally. It is astonishing that our government is berating the new Turkish government for conducting its affairs in accordance with its own Constitution and its democratic institutions. Indeed, we may have sparked a new international arms race as countries move ahead to develop WMDs as a last-ditch attempt to ward off a possible pre-emptive strike from a newly belligerent United States, which claims the right to hit where it wants.

In fact, there is little to constrain this President. Congress, in what will go down in history as its most unfortunate act, handed away its power to declare war for the foreseeable future and empowered this President to wage war at will. As if that were not bad enough, members of Congress are reluctant to ask questions that are begging to be asked. How long will we occupy Iraq? We have already heard disputes on the number of troops that will be needed to retain order. What is the truth? How costly will the occupation and rebuilding be? No one has given a straight answer. How will we afford this long-term, massive commitment, fight terrorism at home, address a serious crisis in domestic healthcare, afford behemoth military spending and give away billions in tax cuts amid a deficit that has climbed to more than $340 billion for this year alone? If the President's tax cut passes it will be $400 billion. We cower in the shadows while false statements proliferate. We accept soft answers and shaky explanations because to demand the truth is hard, or unpopular, or may be politically costly.

But I contend that through it all, the people know. The American people unfortunately are used to political shading, spin and the usual chicanery they hear from public officials. They patiently tolerate it up to a point. But there is a line. It may seem to be drawn in invisible ink for a time, but eventually it will appear in dark colors, tinged with anger. When it comes to shedding American blood--when it comes to wreaking havoc on civilians, on innocent men, women and children, callous dissembling is not acceptable. Nothing is worth that kind of lie--not oil, not revenge, not re-election, not somebody's grand pipe dream of a democratic domino theory. And mark my words, the calculated intimidation that we see so often of late by the "powers that be" will only keep the loyal opposition quiet for just so long. Because eventually, like it always does, the truth will emerge. And when it does, this house of cards, built of deceit, will fall.


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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #41
49. Yes, Byrd was (and is) great . . . .
Let me assure you I was not happy w IWR.

But I can understand Kerry's position and I do not think that it was "all politics"

John Kerry has always been against arms proliferation. He doesn't want bad people to have bad weapons. . . .

What if Saddam had a Nuke?

Colin Powell (who no matter what you and I think of him) who they trusted, told them GWB needed IWR to go back to the UN and get the inspectors in to do their job. Powell promised them they would do everything to avoid invasion. And then they invaded w a war of choice anyway.

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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:22 PM
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48. Marianne, you're right.....
Edited on Fri May-28-04 07:22 PM by PaDUer
how many letters/emails/faxes were sent to the congressmen and senators about this so-called murderous war--MANY...Then they have the audacity to say they "didn't know"..I was sick to my stomach when one of our D congressman was on the local news saying he "didn't know"...I wanted to throw something at the tv! They're ALL covering their asses!
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #26
51. What Marianne said!
"We didn't know" is a piss-poor excuse for what is really "going along to get along". They have blood on their hands.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:52 PM
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33. I was confused about the points you were making, but
I did understand the last question, and no, Clinton did not go to Haiti as a "war president." He went as a peace keeper and to restore the man who had been democratically elected to his position (Aristide had been overthrown in a coup.)

For what it's worth, I see Bush as a man who would like to turn this country into a place like Mexico with a few rich people and many poor people.

I see Kerry as a man who would like to have a stronger middle class. I think the U.S. will function more like Massachusetts under his leadership.

Both Bush and Kerry are human and will make mistakes. But Bush's vision is too much like that of the people who governed Alabama when I was growing up.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:21 PM
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47. no doubt that Bush does not have a clue or even any considerations
when it comes to the people of our country. To him, it appears, it is only the rich that are worth any considerations.

It is interesting that Mexico did not rubber stamp his invasion of Iraq and neither did Canada. If there is anything that would demonstrate the stupidity of Bush's unilateral approach to hiw invasion of a defenseless country it seems to me most evident graphically if one looks at a map, that the large country that borders us on the north and the country that borders us on the south, divested themself from any complicity in George's ill advised pre-emptive war. They virtually simply refused.

I really do not know how we can compare Haiti to Iraq and what it has to do with Bush's war or even how Clinton is relevant at this point.

Clinton is gone and is not running for president.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:12 PM
Response to Original message
16. Man, if this don't feel like LBJ
all over again.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:37 PM
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18. 40,000 more troops might
get rid of the "need" for mercenaries from private military corporations -- that would at least give some credibility to the situation.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:39 PM
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19. LOL... John Kerry will save us! Anybody but Bush!
Bullshit.
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:43 PM
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20. amen to that!!!! n/t
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 02:00 PM
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21. Meet the New Boss...
Same as the Old Boss.

(Only more nuanced)
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 02:46 PM
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24. stop it, john kerry, just stop it!
WE WANT OUR TROOPS OUT, OUT OF THERE! :grr: this really pisses me off!
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:59 PM
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28. Yes, more forces for colonial quests across the globe! n/t
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MirrorAshes Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:13 PM
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31. Lets be realistic...
Edited on Fri May-28-04 05:15 PM by MirrorAshes
We need to recognize that right now, after this foolish escapade in Iraq, Bush has severely damaged the strength of our military. I think many Americans, Democrat and Republican, both have lost confidence in our armed forces. I do not believe that Kerry will use this new military in anything close to what Bush has done--but rebuilding and restoring honor to our military is absolutely the right thing to do. We need to wipe the slate clean of Bush's mistakes, and Kerry recognizes this. He cannot win if he is seen as weak, and he is in the unique position of being able to sell himself as a much more competant and able military leader than Bush. That is a *GOOD* thing.

Remember, Rumsfeld's "light" army has proven to be a terrible mistake. I for one seriously worry about our country's ability to defend itself against a REAL threat right now. Kerry is doing the right thing.

He knows what Vietnam looked like. He knows we cannot escalate the conflict in Iraq. We should consider ourselves lucky, however, to see that he ALSO knows what a terrible hit to our military the Iraq occupation has been, and is thinking about the ways we will recover from it.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. I haven't lost faith in the armed forces.
I've lost faith in my governmnent, and the elected officials that call themselves "leaders."

That includes John Kerry.
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MirrorAshes Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. I'm sorry but...
I don't see why John Kerry needs to be included in such a statement. I have also lost faith in our current administration, obviously, but I see no good reason whatsoever as to why Kerry ought to be smeared as a result of it.

Your name is "DemsUnite" yet your statement promotes the very opposite. I am new around here, but that seems awfully confusing to me.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:51 PM
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38. President John Kerry = status quo
Some seem to think that George W. Bush is the root of all the woes that confront us globally and domestically. That is a mistake. He is simply a symptom of the disease; the result of a corrupt and failing system of government.

The kind of system that allows a criminal syndicate of corporate interests to take the reins and run roughshod over the will of not only the folks they are supposed to be working for, but the world. I simply don't see John Kerry being allowed to initiate the electoral and governmental reform needed to avoid an inevitable all-out systems failure. Even if he wanted to, which I seriously doubt is the case.

As for the moniker, it was chosen on or around the second week of December, 2000. What I have learned and witnessed since then has changed my perspective.
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MirrorAshes Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:04 PM
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40. Now is not the time for self-defeatism
Edited on Fri May-28-04 07:26 PM by MirrorAshes
Have you truly lost all faith in the democratic party since december 2000? Please give me some sort of reasoning to back up your claims against Kerry. The system was on the edge under Clinton/Gore due to the republican desperation to undermine their administration, but I do not think for a second it was guilty of widespread corruption and failure. If this is true, then the true corruption began under Bush.

I believe the right-wing attack machine is to blame for this sort of attitude, as it has stripped the left of its will to believe in the system. I believe in democracy and I believe in the Democratic Party. I do NOT believe that John Kerry will for one second support the path that the right has led us down, and will indeed do everything in his power to right the wrongs.

I do not envy him in this task. Will he be able to accomplish everything we'd like him to-political reform, social reform, and getting us out of Iraq with some shred of dignity intact? It won't happen overnight, but I believe electing John Kerry is absolutely the first step in accomplishing these things.

If you do not believe this is the case, then what will you do--vote for Nader? Not vote at all?

I will never understand why so many people seem to be so willing to give up in this fight, satisfied to simply stand above it all railing on about the "failed system".

The system only works if we make it work.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #38
50. And it seems that some would rather let Bush off the hook and Blame Dems
Edited on Fri May-28-04 09:20 PM by emulatorloo
for the evil Bush has done.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. Thnks for your post, AND WELCOME TO DU!
You have some very good points. . .

WELCOME TO DU!

:hi:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #31
57. "He knows we cannot escalate the conflict in Iraq."
Then why does he plan to do just that?

It's really simple: the vast majority of Iraqis want us gone. Yesterday.

Bringing in more troops will only escalate the situation.

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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:42 PM
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37. The only thing that would satisfy some DU'ers
would be if Kerry announced that he intended to dismantle the armed forces.

The fact is, the military is being streched way too thin by this administration. So unless troops are going to be rapidly pulled out of Iraq -- a move that would certainly prove no less disastrous than the military campaign to date -- we're going to have to expand the military. It's good to hear that Kerry is making sense, and has the courage to stand up to the militant pacifists on the far left.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. Militant Pacifists
Are certainly in allot of company. The rest of the world(ROTW)
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:53 PM
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52. I hope you aren't including me as some who want to dismantle
the military because I never stated that. The military the way it stands now (along with the CIA/FBI and all other such operations) ...yes it needs to be overhauled/dismantled/reassembled, whatever you want to call it because it is not working properly..it is dysfunctional!

We did not get here overnight nor only by this evil admin and those they appointed in the military. Everything that has happened since this regime took office was set in place early on. You can't just come in and take over a country without some ground work having been laid somewhere along the way.

Reminds me of a train. This regime is the train and the tracks...well exactly who laid then and when?

I agree we are on the verge of a failed state/nation and the same old same old will not cut it. Nor will just lipsticking or powdering the pig allow it to survive in anything but possibly a comatose(?) state.

This country needs grassroots changes from the bottom up or top down, doesn't matter to me as long as it's changed and I've not heard anyone who has a better idea of how to do that other than Kucinich. Everyone else seems to believe that you can put some white paint on the old fence along with some flags and we will be lookin' good!

IMO, we all might feel better for a while, but the track is running out while the train is going full bore towards the end of a cliff....

I hope you are right about Kerry, but I feel he is just too close/too involved with all the big $$$$ folks to actually make the changes that need to be made for this country, so we can move forward and never have to circle this mountain again.

Again, just my two cents and nowadays.. that ain't saying much!
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #37
53. Militant pacifist is a little strong for me
Edited on Fri May-28-04 10:13 PM by Catt03
but I do not see how we can possible just pull out of Iraq. If we did that, all hell would break loose and everyone knows that.

I think the troops want to have security, equipment and leadership, not to be pulled out by the next president. That is what Kerry saying; he will build up the military and bring home reservists.

WE are there. I, too, did by best to be heard in that we should not go to Iraq. But we are there and we have to have a plan to pull out, not just leave.

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dixielib Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:14 PM
Response to Original message
45. More troops for more fighting is wrong, but...
more troops for peacekeeping is right. I thought there were many good points in this Washington Post editorial this morning:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61969-2004May27.html

"Henceforth, American forces cannot afford to destroy villages to save them. They cannot afford to use artillery, gunships and ordnance from fixed-wing aircraft in populated areas, regardless of the provocation. They cannot afford to sacrifice innocent Iraqi civilians to reduce American casualties. They cannot afford to sweep up, incarcerate and hold for months thousands of Iraqis -- many of them innocent -- to apprehend a smaller number of guilty ones. They cannot afford to use pain, privation or humiliation to secure information."
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:50 PM
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54. It's too late
Bush and Rumsfeld have screwed this up so badly that 158,000 troops, instead of 138,000 will make very little difference. It's a country of 26 million, 88% of whom want the US out NOW.

or

Buy Enron at $80 a share. When it hits 50 cents....buy more! It's bound to get better somehow if you throw more money at it.

Sometimes it's just too late.
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StandUpGuy Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. undeniable fact
and perfect analogy
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:59 PM
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55. "Laugh about it, shout about it. When you've got to choose,
any way you look at this you lose."

We haven't arrived at the candidates' debate yet, but Mrs. Robinson is already reaching for her Valium.

I am fast arriving at the conclusion that it may be better to see B* impeached and his administration in gridlock for four years than to see Kerry turn into another LBJ, in charge of a war he knows is wrong yet won't end because it would make him and the US "look bad." If Congress gains the upper hand for a while, as it did 30 years ago, we'd have real regime change. The issue isn't so much who is president but how powerful the presidency is in relation to the other branches of government. If we want a more responsive and responsible presidency, first we need to weaken it.

A second B* administration may very well see an alliance of Rs and Ds against it in Congress, if for no other reason than to save their own skins. But if Kerry wins in 2004, he may set the stage for a reversal in 2008 by uniting the Repubs--who are now seriously divided--and a restoration of the imperial presidency.

Nader may be right. The best progressive strategy may be to give the neocons what they ask for and let them hang themselves with it. They're great at this job. Let them finish themselves off!
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