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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:43 PM
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Bush camp wary on approval
I thought these people paid no attention to polls.

The chief strategist for President Bush's re-election campaign yesterday said that if the president's declining approval ratings, which are already at record lows, slip an additional seven percentage points, it will be "very difficult to win."

Citing a Gallup poll that shows Mr. Bush's approval rating at 46 percent, strategist Matthew Dowd said the election could be decided by a relatively small shift in support.

"I have no idea where it will end up, but all the president's numbers have to move is plus or minus five or six ... which can easily happen, because of events," he said. "If his approval numbers move above 50, it's very difficult to lose. If his numbers move below 40, it's very difficult to win. Those are facts."

But Mr. Dowd also said that a downward shift is far less likely than an upward shift "because he's got such a solid level of support among Republicans.

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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040518-120219-3843r.htm
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:49 PM
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1. Wouldnt it be great....
To see the mood over there? I wonder what Skank Karen Hughes and the Walrus Karl Rove are coming up with to pump up the ratings. Who would want a job like that at such a pivotal time? In addition, I think they dont like each..hahahaha
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:50 PM
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2. yes indeedy!
Let's face it, if he's at 33-38% at any point within 5 months of the election, even an Osama bump won't get him to victory.

the hole is getting deep

keep diggin dubya
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:06 AM
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5. We need to help gw* dig a deeper hole
Keep the issue out in front of the people.

I printed up a sign for my car...

Iraq... a Mistake
Bush... a Mistake
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:51 PM
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3. In addition.....
The members of the House and Senate don't really care about Shrub. What really matters to them is their reelection. So in some ways this election isn't really about Kerry at all.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:01 AM
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4. bush is bad shape and they know it
it's all desperation and spin from the RNC


no way in hell should an incumbent be at 42-45% now. My guess is that there internal numbers are closer to 42%.

Nixon, Reagan, and Clinton were much better off at this point. He's following the pattern of Carter and Bush Sr.


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:09 AM
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6. And tehy know it
that is why they are SPINNING
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 05:34 AM
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14. um they've been doing nothing but spinning
I haven't noticed an increase or decrease.

http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:16 AM
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7. At what level
does he think chimpeachment should start?
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:26 AM
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8. Hi cosmic...welcome to DU EOM
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Lou_C Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:34 AM
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9. The next thing that we will see is * with bruises on his face
What's he going to choke on this time? His vial spit!
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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 03:34 AM
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10. give me a break
"because he's got such a solid level of support among Republicans"

Last I saw the polls indicate that Bush have the support of only 80% of the republicans. There is no way he can win with just 80% of his base. He will need this number go up to 90% and he will need at least 50% of the independents. Currently he trails in both these groups by 10%.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 08:03 AM
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20. True. Why have we seen items in the last few months quoting them
talking about the priority of "solidifying their base"? If their base is shaky, they're in trouble. That appears to be the case now. At this point, this late in the game, their base should be the last thing they're worried about. They shouldn't even HAVE to give it a thought by now, and should be going after the independents like nothing else mattered, because the independents are the key. But if they're still working on solidifying their base, they have more problems than they admit. And I think they know it. Matthew Dowd wouldn't be conceding this much, publicly, if they weren't. He's actually admitting there's a realistic chance that they'll lose.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 03:45 AM
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11. and why would they reveal such "secrets" about the "plan"?
don't be sucked in by this. they are already scared sh*tless and they're making up numbers to create spin so the sheeple flock doesn't get completely gripped by fear and simply turn over to the sensible choice, or not turn out at all.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 03:50 AM
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12. CNN ysterday - GOP choir member
shrugged off the poll numbers --(paraphrased) "...the numbers will go up and the numbers will go down, we expect this to happen as people react to the latest news...but the pResident doesn't lead based on poll numbers..."

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the "line" is getting tiresome.. ..."the pResident doesn't lead based on poll numbers..." -- should really read "...the pResident doesn't care what you think..."

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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 05:02 AM
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13. "a relatively small shift in support"
Thank you, Diebold.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 06:24 AM
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15. "Plus or minus five or six...because of EVENTS?!?!?!?"
How much more clear can the Regime make their ultimate message? They are planning an EVENT between now and Election Day. This is backed up by yesterday's US News & World Report:

White House officials say they've got a "working premise" about terrorism and the presidential election: It's going to happen. "We assume," says a top administration official, "an attack will happen leading up to the election." And, he added, "it will happen here." There are two worst-case scenarios, the official says. The first posits an attack on Washington, possibly the Capitol, which was believed to be the target of the 9/11 jet that crashed in Pennsylvania. Theory 2: smaller but more frequent attacks in Washington and other major cities leading up to the election.


www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/whisphome.htm

"A working premise" and "it's going to happen."

The hell of it is, that bu$h's handlers don't care which way things swing after this EVENT. If they "win" the election because of this EVENT, it's just four more years of rape, plunder, pillage and loot.

If they LOSE because of this EVENT, well, that just serves us right for not voting for the candidate who is strong on terra, DOESN'T IT?

Every Member of Congress needs to get that US News & World Report shoved up his/her/its ass roughly every 16.9 hours between now and the EVENT!

:grr:
dbt
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 06:31 AM
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16. Well they tried the
"WMD" card and that failed, whats left. Bin laden? I see they are floating the "terra attack on America" card to see the reaction and unfortunately I see none. Don't the Democrats find it strange the rethugs have been running around the last few years touting the fact that they have made us "safer" and all of a sudden they are discussing that they are certain there will be another "attack" right before the election? I sure as hell do and I think I know EXACTLY what they are planning.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 08:06 AM
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22. No WMD. But they found WMA

Weapons of minimum annoiance.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 07:44 AM
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17. "I thought these people paid no attention to polls."
Bush polls on whether to wipe.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 07:58 AM
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19. They spent $1 Million on polling in 2001
2001! that was their first year. We know that the terror color system is directly the result of focus groups and the stem cell "decision" (pressure building to change that horrible triangulated campaign fluff) was straight from polling and focus grouping me thinks.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 07:54 AM
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18. Just last month Rove supposedly was "happy" about the lower numbers
That was the spin (I am sure the Moonie Times echoed it) that was going around to anyone who was willing to print such dribble. Supposedly Rove loved that W would appear as an underdog (the incumbent POTUS?) and show how tough he is.


Seriously that was the spin.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 08:05 AM
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21. More lipstick on a pig. Or is that - a "pig-farmer"?
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 08:16 AM
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23. are there any betting pools on what/when "the event" will be?
possible whats:
osama
wmds
turrist attack on amurkan soil
any others?

possible whens:
democratic convention
republican convention
weekend before the election
election day

any others?

just thinking if someone predicted when and what it was, it would make a nice news story for that day. of course, if someone were to predict it they'd surely be shipped off to an undisclosed location -- and not one where they'd be hanging with cheney.
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 08:20 AM
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24. Glass is half full?
But Mr. Dowd also said that a downward shift is far less likely than an upward shift "because he's got such a solid level of support among Republicans.

I would say that it is because Bush has no where else to go but up since the country has been in the toilet for a number of years now.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 08:24 AM
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25. ". . . which can easily happen, because of events . . . "
Hmmmmmmm. What kind of "events" do they have planned? LIHOP or MIHOP?
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 08:40 AM
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26. 6 or 7 points? Try 1 or 2 points
Dowd is taking the most optimistic polls. Both Zogby and other polls have Bush's approval at 42%. Anything above 50% is considered hard to beat. Anything below 40% is considered hard to win.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 11:46 AM
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27. Ah yes, just goes to show 'ya
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
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