CBS: Bizarre New Link in Berg Murder (Berg and Moussaoui)

[markses]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/11/iraq/main616842.shtml

But CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin reports on what is turning into a bizarre mystery with a connection to 9/11.

U.S. officials say the FBI questioned Berg in 2002 after a computer password Berg used in college turned up in the possession of Zaccarias Moussaoui, the al Qaeda operative arrested shortly before 9/11 for his suspicious activity at a flight school in Minnesota.

The bureau had already dismissed the connection between Berg and Moussaoui as nothing more than a college student who had been careless about protecting his password.

But in the wake of Berg's gruesome murder, it becomes a stranger than fiction coincidence -- an American who inadvertently gave away his computer password to one notorious al Qaeda operative is later murdered by another notorious al Qaeda operative.

---snip---

[4_Legs_Good]

1. Wow.

I have a feeling this isn't a coincidence.

Are we ready for one helluva ride?

david

[abracadabra]

60. WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE THIS ? did we beilieve WMD claims?

ALL LIES

Infinite endless lies to cover up the truth--
Why has the story completely dissapeared that Berg was in U.S. custody for 14 days prior to the execution--
Just scrubbed clean now and no mention on our "nightly news"


BELIEVE this and you'd probably believe Saddam was behind 911!!

[Junkdrawer]

2. Bizarre isn't the word...

curiouser and curiouser

[Octafish]

90. Wellstone Pilot and Moussaoui Link

Michael Guess, 30, had 650 hours of flying time and was employed as a pilot by Executive Aviation in April 2001.

In a chilling footnote The Minneapolis Star Tribune reported on October 26th that Guess had performed administrative work at the Pan Am Flight School in Minneapolis where Zacarias Moussaoui had been taking flight lessons. Not only had Guess and Moussaoui known each other but Guess had "inadvertently" given Moussaoui access to a computer program on flying a 747 jumbo jet. The FBI later found the proprietary program copied on his laptop computer - the one which Supervisory Special Agent David Frasca - head of the Radical Fundamentalist Unit in Washington - had been preventing the Minneapolis field agents from searching.

SOURCE: COPvCIA -- http://64.239.13.64/free/ww3/112702_wellstone_update.html

More info:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/PWcopilot.html

[eyesroll]

3. WTF? This doesn't even make sense...

This story's omitting something. What was the computer password? What was it for? (Berg's e-mail? The university supercomputer? There's a difference.) And why did the FBI care? How did they know? How did they link it to Berg?

[markses]

4. My question as well

I expect Moussaoui had his user ID and password for the computer access account. That's the only thing that makes sense here, as I see it.

[dave29]

5. how did they know his college computer password

is what I want to know

[Just Me]

20. Could common passwords be just a coincidence?

Are the feds able to access everyone's passwords and do a computer generated matchy thingy?

Are they just making shit up, again?

[markses]

24. Here's the problem

You and I could have the same password (the name of our childhood cats, plus our mother's birthday reversed and multiplied by 8). That's completely possible. But it seems to be something more here. That would be random, and while it is - in principle - discoverable with the correct level of surveillance (DMCA, etc.), it would not generate an interrogation without something else to rouse suspicion. I think what happened here is that Moussaoui had user ID and password for a specific system, say, the University of Oklahoma, where Berg attended college. So, if Berg had a

user ID: nberg671

and a

password: mycatmomtimes8

Moussaoui had in his possession a user id and a password, as follows:

user ID: nberg671
password: mycatmomtimes8

I really can't see any other reason to question the young man.

[zbdent]

34. How would anybody ever guess my password is

Fluffy?

I bet nobody ever used it before! It's unique! And also my pet's name!

[Just Me]

41. I was "over-thinking". I do that sometimes. *hmpf*

[RedSock]

56. hotmail account

moussaoui's email was a hotmail account -- in most if not all of the news accounts. his name was something like "x-desertman"

why would 2 people share a hotmail account?

??????????

[MrPrax]

78. Now you mention it...

FBI Says Hotmail Hard to Find
Sep. 04, 2002
ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- The government said Wednesday that a vigorous investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui's computer activity turned up no sign of an e-mail account the accused Sept. 11 conspirator said he used.

In response to a judge's questions, prosecutors and an FBI computer expert said "[e-mail]" was not found because Microsoft's free Hotmail service does not verify an account user's identity.

The Hotmail service also is unable to provide the account of a particular user on a particular computer at a specific date and time, according to the government's written motion.

U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema last week ordered the FBI to explain how it examined the computers Moussaoui said he used prior to the Sept. 11 attacks, and to tell her why it could not find the account.

Some computer experts disagreed with the government's conclusions, saying indications of Hotmail usage would automatically show up in a number of locations on a user's computer.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,54935,00.html

[Occulus]

80. WOW.

Was it simple incompetance, revelaing this?

"The Hotmail service also is unable to provide the account of a particular user on a particular computer at a specific date and time, according to the government's written motion."

Holy Shit!! Let's just hand out information on how global terrorism might communicate, shall we?

SHEESH!!!

edit: I'm not against Hotmail being able to do this; however, some responsibility comes with a free press, and if the lightbulb went off over my head over this one, you can bet it went off in other places as well.

This paper just handed terrorists with net access here a convienient way to get in touch without it being known. Wonderful!

:eyes:

[Occulus]

81. was it just the password, or the username as well? n/t

[progressivebydesign]

The way I had read of it earlier was that the terrorist used Berg's email.

Which tells you how completely and utterly we are watched in this new America. Supposedly Berg gave away his email password to people at college in Oklahoma and this guy used the acount. I'm sorry.. but this makes no damn sense.. There is SOOO much more to all of this.

[goodhue]

42. the FBI "interviewed" him at least 3 times in Iraq by US gvmt accounts

plus they interviewed his parents during his detention
they probably know quite a lot about him
way more than the public will ever know

[Just Me]

21. Keep in mind this is "US officials" who tend to make sh*t up all the time.

We have already had "US officials" release bogus or inaccurate information including that Berg was never in their custody or under their jurisdiction. In my view, this is merely a mind-bender bone to detract from the bzillion of questions related to a questionable video.

[koopie57]

44. that though crossed my mind also

but who could have thought something so wierd up? It is all just so wierd.

[BadGimp]

49. stop asking questions you!

:mad:

:argh:

[htuttle]

6. When logic and proportion have fallen softly dead,

And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said:
"Feed your head. Feed your head. Feed your head"

[Miss Authoritiva]

75. About offing heads....

Has anybody noticed the repeated use of the phrase "heads will roll" in initial responses to the Abu Ghraib torture stories (including Sen Pat Roberts)? Just google it and you'll be amazed. And the only one who's head rolled was Berg's. Creepy. Creepy.

[TahitiNut]

7. "al Qaeda operative"?? (Bullshit!)

:grr:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

22. Your theory is looking more and more correct moment by moment

[TahitiNut]

31. I don't know if it's a theory as much as skepticism.

They keep saying "peanut butter" and I keep smelling horseshit. They keep saying "Baby Ruth" and I keep seeing dog turd.

I'm just not going to taste it to 'prove' anything. I'd have to wash it down with Kool-Aid. :shrug:

[hang a left]

59. CIA......maybe n/t

8. Dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1595230

[markses]

11. That's in General Discussion

This counts as breaking news.

[FlemingsGhost]

9. Guess we finally found a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda?

:shrug:

[The Stranger]

10. Exceedingly bizarre.

Did Berg know of Moussaoui's plans or identity? Does Moussaoui know of Berg's plans or identity?

Could Berg's testimony convict or acquit Moussaoui?

Why did the FBI continually interrogate and/or incarcerate Berg?

Why didn't the FBI seek to have Berg released if he had done nothing wrong?

Was Berg a spy or was he an agent tracking Al Queda? Was he working with Al Queda?

[dArKeR]

12. Excuse me, Moussaoui hasn't been convicted of anything. Is it possible

he's another James Yee or Lee Wun Ho?

And, you're all correct, not enough detail here in this story.

[markses]

13. This seems like a pre-emptive release by the FBI

They know that it will come out that he was questioned regarding the password, so they spill the thing to CBS and try to frame it. However, he was not taken into custody as a result of the questioning.

Strange indeed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Tin foil moment

Deep Cover that got blown?

WOW, the thought of it... and most folks will not even think of it

[stopbush]

16. Based on bushco's "use" of deep cover agent Plame to serve their

ends, you wonder if the Berg murder is just another big ol' Valencia onion waiting to be peeled, layer by layer...

[shrike]

26. I thought of it

Hope I'm wrong.

[Just Me]

35. I just don't think so,...maybe a "target" but not a blown cover. n/t

[hang a left]

61. Yes the boy sure did travel around quite a bit with what, 3 trips to

the middle east.

[KamaAina]

15. There's a Moussaoui connection to the Wellstone plane also

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/4379157.htm

The co-pilot who died in the crash of Sen. Paul Wellstone's plane played a minor role in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged Sept. 11 conspirator who briefly attended an Eagan, Minn., flight school.

Co-pilot Michael Guess, a 1997 graduate of the UND flight school, had performed administrative work at the Pan Am International Flight Academy last year as he continued accumulating flying hours. There he met Moussaoui, the school's most infamous student.

Two former Pan Am program managers who tipped the FBI to Moussaoui's suspicious behavior at the school in August 2001 told the Star Tribune that Guess inadvertently gave Moussaoui unattended access to a computer program on flying a 747 jumbo jet.

Unattended access to a computer program?! And now we learn that Moussaoui had Berg's computer password??!!

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[markses]

18. Six degrees of separation

Zawaqari is accused of beheading Nick Berg
Nick Berg's computer password ended up in the possession of Zacarias Moussaoui
Zacarias Moussaoui recieved computer access from Michael Guess
Michael Guess flew the plane that crashed with Paul Wellstone
Paul Wellstone sat in the 2002 State of the Union Address given by George W. Bush

(George W. Bush once made monkey love to Kevin Bacon;-))

[Just Me]

38. Ummm,...whoah!!! That post changed the picture for me.

Except, I don't see six whole degrees of separation anymore!

[aquart]

28. Does Moussaoui have high computer proficiency?

You could give me all the access and passwords in the world and I still would go for my email and surf.

[Just Me]

36. ,...nevermind,...

[Lostnote03]

65. Thank You!!!!!

.....A week or so ago I mentioned this "coincidence" but it did not go too far!!!.....Again thanks for the reminder!!!...

[cosmicdot]

17. when do I know when "US Officials" are telling the truth?

the prime sources aren't available

[shrike]

19. My first thought was that he was an operative of some sort

but then I dismissed the idea as too outlandish. Maybe not ...

Not that any 26-year-old deserves to die in such a manner.

[Barrett808]

27. Starting to think of him like those Israeli "art students"

who were making rounds in early 2001.

[T Bone]

77. I am starting to liken Berg to Oswald or Daniel Pearle

Young, all over the map. Overlapping aquaintances with all sorts of spooky people, and events. maybe he was being set up as a fall guy of some type, then his cover got blown, or he found out his paycheck wasn't from who he thought it was from.... or he found out too much about something he wasn't supposed to know about, something where he was just supposed to be on the periphery for later use. Something is rotten in Denmark.

[RobinA]

88. Why Is This Outlandish?

To me, his being an operative crossed my mind the minute I heard he made other trips to the ME. Frequent trips to the ME (he had just gotten back when he left on the ill-fated trip); frequent trips to other weird places; some brother of an Uncle who lives in Iraq; now Moussaui (sp?); winds up dead in a gruesome way; nobody can agree/admit who had him in custody, IF they had him in custody; he's supposedly a civilian cruising around a hellhole war zone seemingly under the orders of no one....

[scottxyz]

23. What's the password?

What if it's something generic they both could have independently hit on, like

jerusalem
mecca
newyork
qwerty
70virgins

What's the big deal about having the same password? People are told (a) not to use their social, (b) not to use their birthday - so maybe multiple people think of the same password by coincidence.

[markses]

25. See post #24

Simple password match would not provoke questioning. That's the problem. It HAD to be a more specific match. (One would wonder how they would even MATCH if it were a simple password match!)

[KAZ]

29. I'm just breathless by the depth of an investigation...

...that can put this particular 2 and 2 together.

[bobbieinok]

47. and SO quickly - like SOME stuff that came out within ca 24 hrs after WTC

and OKC bombing

[Eloriel]

76. I saw Mr. Berg in a clip on TV tonight

explain what happened. As has been pointed out in some of the news items so far, Nick was someone who made friends with people of all cultures. One of his Arab acquaintances asked if they could use his email account. The password was subsequently given to Mousaoui as were a number of others.

[scottxyz]

83. This makes a lot of sense to me

When I've traveled to countries where the people don't have a lot of computer access, I've found that people really appreciate it if you can take them to an internet cafe and setup a hotmail account or whatever for them.

It's free and it only takes a few minutes and it's easy for a newbie to learn. So I wouldn't be surprised if lots of more tech-savvy Americans have been doing this sort of favor for people they meet overseas.

Sometimes the person you're helping is a bit confused over choosing a user id, then a password, and then also the additional back-up question (what is my pet's name?) etc.

So in some cases, the instructor will just "give" the newbie an existing login/password combo to save time.

Eventually, these login/password combos could be passed on to other people.

So if Berg and Moussaoui shared a login/password combo, this would indicate that they at least knew something in common.

Reports I've read just said that they had the same PASSWORD - not that that they had the same login/password combo. Could anyone clear up whether it was just a password or a login/password combo?

[rumguy]

84. why did they not just open up their own free email accounts?

[pacifictiger]

30. You know one thing that strikes me as odd with that photo

is that all the guys behind seem to be really BIG. I saw a photo of Berg and he didn't look like a small guy, but, even though he's sitting down, all those behind him look really husky across the chest. Most photos of middle eastern guys seem to depict them as being more on the slender side. Either these guys have been eating like pigs, or they are not middle eastern. Thoughts anyone?

[sofa king]

73. Theyre almost certainly wearing body armor.

An interesting follow-up to that question is, "what kind of body armor is it?"

It would look really bad if the bad guys were wearing appropriated top-of-the-line Hallibruton gear. Any armor experts out there?

[pacifictiger]

79. the other thing is

the two guys on the left, are so much taller than the others. Especially the one wearing the white head wrap looks to be almost a foot taller than the guy on the right - most arabs are not that tall.

[TeeYiYi]

74. I have a thought . . .

. . . look at the color of the hand on Daniel Pearl's killer. Not white. Not light. Not FAT. It's brown and lean.



TYY

[crossroads]

82. More odd stuff from another DU thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=553455&mesg_id=553915&page=

[Junkdrawer]

32. Moussaoui - the guy the FBI repeatably refused a FISA for...

the guy who took flight lessons, but didn't want to learn to land...

The guy initially charged as the 20th hijacker, but then has his death penalty charges dropped because, horror of horrors, he wants to subpoena guys in Gitmo...

That guy??????

[maddezmom]

51. yeah, that one

things that make ya go HMMMMMMMMM. This story gets stranger by the hour.

[mountainvue]

33. The more we find out

the weirder it gets. The FBI reportedly asked Berg if he'd ever made a pipe bomb in Iraq. WTF?

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[Quetzal]

39. Maybe we should start questioning

whether Mossaoui is even an Al-Qaeda agent - maybe he is being held against his will.

[TrogL]

40. Ridiculous

How would they know the passwords?

In unix, the passwords are stored in a shadow password file. They are encrypted.

Want my encyrpted password? Here ya go. E0CZS7A1FD0QB. For all the good it's going to do you. You can't decrypt it.

NT uses a similar system.

[okcdem]

43. Sorry not so....

If they had access to the system they could encrypt the password and then match that.

[They_LIHOP]

45. Probably went something like this...

1) they turn on Zac's computer, and see he has a 'favorite' of YahooMail.
2) click the link, and his computer has his userID stored in a cookie, so it's auto-entered in the login screen
3) they contact Yahoo, and find out his password is something like TERROR911
4) thinking maybe other conspirators use the same mail system, they ask Yahoo to check for others with the same password.
5) they find one, and it's our young Nick Berg.

Now, if the password had been 'qwerty', then they would've found hundreds or thousands. No way they contact all those people. But if its DISTINCTIVE, and they get ONE (or very very few) match(es), then they might just contact the other(s) who shared this password.

Alternatively, this story is just not as descriptive as it could be, leading us to jump to wrong conclusions. Perhaps what they really found in Zac's possession was a piece of stationary from some college somewhere, and on it they found:
Login: nberg
password: frenchjihad
or some such, written on it. So they seek to find out who owns that account at the college, et voila, they find and question Berg.

I suspect the first, but there's no way to know for sure whether this author is telling us all we need to know to understand the whole scenario.

Fact is, it doesn't really matter, the details. For SOME reason, Berg was questioned in relation to Moussaoui, and WHATEVER the reason why, it's just a DAMN strange coincidence he ended up in that video.

When you add Wellstone's (RIP) pilot to the situation, it just gets NUTTY...

Lets all just hope that someone will get to the bottom of all this!

[Just Me]

50. I don't suppose sweet Wellstone was on a freeper list, too. *sigh* n/t

[maryallen]

48. Michael Berg's (the father) interview on CNN today ...

Mr. Byrd said that Nick was riding on a bus in Oklahoma -- where he was going to school -- and Mossaoui sat down next to him and asked if he could "borrow" his computer. Nick said yes, gave him his password, and allowed him to use it. Mossaoui sent some e-mails on Nick's computer.

Later, the FBI showed up in PA to ask Nick why his computer was used to send e-mails to terrorists. When Mossaoui was picked up as the "20th hijacker," Nick's password was in Mossaoui's possession.
By way of explanation to the FBI, the previous story was given and, supposedly, the FBI chalked it up to a young college kid who had been "conned."

That's what I understood Mr. Berg to say. I may not have it exactly, but pretty close, anyway.

[goodhue]

52. thanks for that

seems like a side issue
really issue is 13-day detention
who detained him and why?
who interrogated him at that time?
what did they learn
why did his release immediately follow his parents lawsuit?

[hang a left]

64. these are good questions.

The plot thickens. Those government bastards mush absolutely hate the internet in the hands of us serfs.

[Just Me]

53. So, he became a "target" accidently or on purpose?

Or a combination of both. My guess is a combination.

This kid just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time in crossing paths with the "M" and then was in the right place at the right time for our neo-fascists.

GAWD-DAMN!!!

That is what I am getting from all this.

S-O-B!!!!

:argh:

[daleo]

67. Hard to buy that one (innocent bus dupe lends computer to 911 suspect)

I suppose someone could be that naive, and unlucky. If that was all there was to it, fine. But when that same someone:

- travels to Iraq, to look for work (it is not clear from what I read if he was working or just climbing towers and giving estimates or what),
- works near the most infamous prison in the world,
- then gets arrested, held, and questioned by the FBI
- then captured, and brutally killed by someone, apparently wearing prison clothes, in the same way an investigative reporter who was getting to close to something was killed,

well at that point I begin to have my doubts about his father's story. The father may think the story is true, however.

I am afraid the fact that he was Jewish can't be ignored either, given the circumstances. Mossad is thought to have agents in Iraq, so Berg's presence was bound to raise suspicion on that score.

This one is piling up coincidences at such a rate, you have to really want to not see connections, to claim there isn't something deeper at work.

[Just Me]

69. Think as you please,...as will I,...and I believe he was "targeted". n/t

[daleo]

70. Well sure, one way or another he was targeted

The question is by whom, and for what? And was he an innocent dupe, or something more? I don't really know what I think at this point. This analysis is still at the fact gathering (amazing facts though they are) stage. But this 911 connection is pretty mind blowing.

Consider the chances of any particular American crossing paths with Moussoui (spelling is probably wrong) or one of the other people named as 911 suspects - 300 million Americans vs 20 suspects. If each of these suspects met 100 Americans that would come to 2000 connections. The probability of a random meeting is therefore about 7 in a million. Those are long odds.

Maybe he was a dupe, maybe a deep cover operative for someone, maybe a bit of both. Or maybe he was just an unlucky guy who happened to have lent his computer to a 911 Al Queda suspect, then later coincidentally was killed by people who claimed to be Al Queda agents (or so we have been told, although I have heard conflicting reports of translators by now).

All we know for sure, is that we will probably know something new by tomorrow.

[uncle ray]

72. gee, i guess that's 'bad luck"...n/t

[rumguy]

85. why would he GIVE his password to a stranger?

he could log on and sign on himself...

is there email access on buses?

[KAZ]

55. Come on. That's just silly.

It's encrypted on my platform too (AS/400), but easily breakable.

[OilemFirchen]

46. If 9/11 is Baby Bush's Iran-Contra...

then maybe Berg is Baby Bush's Danny Casolaro.

[Minstrel Boy]

71. possibly so

Let's hope Berg sees more justice than Casolaro.

Someday, the restless ghosts of the National Security State will find peace. I have to believe that.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

54. On L.A. Radio Today I Heard That Berg Had In His Possession A Copy Of

the book "Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion". This was this morning on radio station KABC, TV talk show host Ken Minyard having said that. I believe that this is a very famous anti-seminitic book (debunked, I believe) written during the time of the Russian Czar and made famous by Hitler's Germany about a so-called international Jewish cabale. Has anyone else heard this bit of information about Berg's reading habits? I have looked for this story on the internet without success. Supposedly, Nicholas Berg carried this book around with him (according to the radio program referenced above). If true, why would a Jew carry this anti-semitic trash around with him? I guess that anyone can read anything and I have known Jews who read Mein Kampf out of curiosity, but didn't carry it around. Again, anyone also hear about this? It's a small factual item but just one more weird detail, if true.

[RoyGBiv]

86. Odd -- David Berg? Nick Berg?

I have absolutely no idea if there is more than a coincidental connection here.

But, given this, is it possible Nick Berg is related in some way to David Berg, founder of "The Family"? David had Jewish ancestry, and pretended to be a pious man, but he believed in the "Zionist conspiracy" and urged people to read the Protocols so that they could understand it.
David Berg was also something of a wanderer/adventurer.

Just a wild guess here, and I don't know that it means anything in a larger sense.

[MGKrebs]

57. Oklahoma? Like Oklahoma City?

"The owner of the motel remembers Atta being in the company of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called "20th hijacker," who was arrested prior to September 11 and now faces conspiracy charges in connection with the terror assaults.

If this recollection is correct, the entire incident, and its absence from the public record, raises new questions about the FBI investigation of Moussaoui and even the 1995 destruction of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Already the FBI has endured a withering political and media critique for failing to aggressively investigate Moussaoui and his contacts during his four weeks in custody prior to the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Some FBI officials have responded by characterizing Moussaoui as only a minor player. But the report from the motel owner, if proven, could change that. And it also could force the FBI to reopen its investigation of Middle Eastern connections to the 1995 Oklahoma City blast, because convicted bombers Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols reportedly stayed at the same motel, interacting with a group of Iraqis during the weeks before the bombing.

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/36/news-crogan.php

[TeeYiYi]

58. Is there any chance . . .

.. . that it wasn't Berg in 'the video'?

TYY

On Edit: Nevermind. Unless it was a huge coverup involving the family, which I doubt.

[stepnw1f]

62. This Will Be Used To Link The Two Again... (nt)

[MGKrebs]

63. More info, less clarity.

"A senior law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Berg volunteered information about the 2002 investigation when he was detained in Iraq. The official said that an e-mail address traced to Berg had been used by an unidentified individual with purported connections to terrorism.

The investigation showed that Berg had never met the suspect individual and had not given the e-mail address to that person. Investigators concluded that Berg's e-mail address had been spread among dozens of people with links to the university.

The suspect individual appears to have been acquainted with Moussaoui, an al-Qaida adherent now in federal custody and awaiting trial on conspiracy charges stemming from the Sept. 11 attacks, the official said.

Moussaoui attended flight school in Norman, Okla., home of the university.

So apparently it wasn't Moussaoui who used the account, it was someone else who was associated with Moussaoui. But his father said that Nicholas had crossed paths with Moussaoui on a bus. So, Moussaoui would have taken the password and given it to someone else to use?

edited for a tense error. Not to be confused with an anxiety error.

[Snazzy]

66. Pretty damn odd--any chance Berg was some sort of spook?

Whole thing is pretty damn strange.

I need to read up on Berg's bio. Unclear so far to me when he was at school/met Mossaoui or someone linked to him.

What was his involvement with the peace movement? I know he was on the Freeper hit list, but what did he actually do?

On spook--just thinking about communications towers--a prime job for that. I don't know anything, just not big on writing all this weird crap off to coincidences.

[MGKrebs]

68. Orange jumpsuits...

I think we can now say that they do in fact use orange jumpsuits for prisoners in Iraq:

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Haidar Ali Hamid, with his close-cropped hair, scarred face and bright orange jumpsuit, is one of about 30 accused murderers in Baghdad's hard-bitten juvenile prison.

..."I certainly don't expect that we can make all of them avid readers," said U.S. Army Capt. Dave Seiter, who oversees Iraq's juvenile justice system for the U.S.-led occupation authority. "But if we can affect a couple of them, that makes it worthwhile."

The boy prisoners, all wearing orange jumpsuits, ...

There are currently 34 other child prisoners in metropolitan Baghdad, but they are locked inside the massive Abu Ghraib prison for adults on the outskirts of the Iraqi capital, Seiter said. Those children are suspected insurgents, and many of them participated in ambushes of U.S. troops and remain too dangerous to release, he said.

http://www.theithacajournal.com/news/stories/20040329/localnews/167779.html

[TrueStory]

87. Nothing bizarre here, it's very logic

Berg was a double-agent.
He went to Irak to find info about the Iraq resistance.
He was put in jail by US just to get in contact and get friends between Iraqis.
He was recognized by Iraqis as a spy, so he was killed.
The video & beheading is fake.

[RobinA]

89. My Question About This Scenario

which I find quite possible, is why wouldn't the Iraqis who recognized him as a spy start screaming about how he was a spy? It seems weird they'd cook up this whole story and then make it look like they beheaded some innocent guy when they could finger him as a spy. Of course, by that token, they could have fingered him as a spy even if he wasn't.