Lawmakers Say New Abuse Photos Disturbing

[Shadder]

"The whole thing is disgusting and it's hard to believe that this actually is taking place in a military facility," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

"I expected that these pictures would be very hard on the stomach lining and it was significantly worse than anything that I had anticipated," said Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore. "Take the worse case and multiply it several times over."

"I don't know how the hell these people got into our army," said Ben Nighthorse Campbell, R-Colo., after viewing the images. "There were several pictures of Iraqi women who were disrobed or putting their shirts up," he said. "They were not smiling in the pictures, that's for sure. But it didn't look like they had been beaten or hurt." He also said there were several pictures with dogs. "Iraqis were against the wall and you could see that the dogs were pretty much terrorizing them because the dogs were snarling and crouching like they were about to attack," he added.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&e=1&u=/ap/20040512/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_prisoner_abuse

[trumad]

1. Uh..yah sure...like we're going to believe a bunch of fucking politicians!

I'm so glad they're watching out for us....:eyes:

[saigon68]

28. MORE OF THIS TO COME YOU FUCKING POLITICIANS

THE WAR IS OVER




A banner depicting the abuse of a hooded Iraqi prisoner is seen Tuesday, May, 11, 2004, on an overpass over the
Interstate 10 West Freeway in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes)

There is more of this to come.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

36. Wow. Powerful image and banner.

wow.

[yellowcanine]

2. "But it didn't look like they had been beaten or hurt." Campbell can tell

from a grainy photo whether a woman has been raped or otherwise sexually molested? Or does he think that doesn't qualify as "hurt"?

[UpInArms]

14. wasn't it Frist that "knew" it was ricin

before testing?

:puke:

[goodolegal]

3. How much more do you think they'll tell us...

and besides this site, what would you say the best source would be?

[Shadder]

7. This is by far the best

Anything that is out there gets found and shows up here fast.

[BeHereNow]

43. Patience...

patience.
More shall be revealed.
BHN

[denverbill]

4. WO-HOO!!! Party on dudes. Toga, toga, toga...

</sarcasm>

[Tellurian]

5. Nighthorse, you're partially responsible for this disaster. You voted for.

Bush, you and your consorts have put the people of this country in grave danger. What do you intend on doing about it?


"I don't know how the hell these people got into our army," said Ben Nighthorse Campbell, R-Colo., after viewing the images.

[Shadder]

6. And it gets better

Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana, said the pictures depicted "vulgarity," but he said they were similar to a limited number of images that have been leaked to the news media.

He said he saw nothing to suggest the abuse was more than the work of a "small number" of soldiers.

[Minstrel Boy]

9. no of course not:

He said he saw nothing to suggest the abuse was more than the work of a "small number" of soldiers

They'd have needed one helluva a wide-angle lense for that, to bring the Pentagon into the frame.

[daleo]

8. Since they claim they are not so bad, no reason not to release them

Or is it only "Al-Queda" who believes in making these things public.

The statements don't correlate:
"Take the worse case and multiply it several times over."
vs
"it didn't look like they had been beaten or hurt"

Withholding these pictures will only make things worse in the long run - speculation, etc.

On edit - this is interesting too:

"Several senators, speaking on condition of anonymity, said photos of sexual intercourse were among the images that Pentagon (news - web sites) officials screened for lawmakers in a top-secret room in the Capitol. At least some of them appeared to depict consensual sex involving U.S. military personnel, they added."

So, if only some appeared to portray consensual sex among military personnel, what did the rest portray? Once more, they wanted avoid lying about something, without bothering to tell the whole truth.

[0007]

10. I have a feeling they're not gonna release 'em to the public

I'd also like to see the beheading released to be scrutinized.

[Judi Lynn]

12. I believe you may be right.

If they are as bad as the less Republican viewers say, the _Bush admin. is going to have a hell of a tough time riding it out, and we know THEY don't confront ANYTHING themselves. If there's any hard work to be done, anything like DYING and SMOKIN' THEM OUT, they've got people to do that for them.

They have NEVER had to do anything tough whatsoever. They are moral cowards. I'm positive their view is, if there's a lashback when they refuse, so be it. The soldiers can handle any outbursts of violence overseas, and they've got us all cowed so we won't be acting up here.

[0007]

17. Why have US television stations refused to broadcast this documentary?

Check out this documentary, if you haven't already.
Filmmaker Jamie Doran has uncovered evidence of possible war crimes that point to the U.S. -

Accordingly, this is the only counry in the world that won't broadcast the documentary

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3267.htm

[Judi Lynn]

23. 0007, thanks so much. I can't believe it's possible to hear this.

I just started it on my computer and had to come back to thank you before going forward another moment.

I plan to send this link to others, as well. You are excellent to post it here. I PRAY it gets played publically, in larger formats, to far, far larger numbers, and I hope there are enough Americans who will care.

Hope it's one more step on the way to discovering that given enough rope, they have hung themselves.

On edit:

Still listening to the film. Wanted to add this from the info. offered at the link:

“Afghan Massacre” is produced and directed by award-winning Irish filmmaker Jamie Doran. Doran is has worked at the highest levels of television film production for more than two decades. His films have been broadcast on virtually every major channel throughout the world. On average, each of his films are seen in around 35 countries. Before establishing his independent television company, Jamie Doran spent over seven years at BBC Television.

The film was researched by award-winning journalist Najibullah Quraishi, who was beaten almost to death when he tried to obtain video evidence of US Special Forces’ complicity in the massacre. Two of the witnesses who testified in the film are now dead.
(snip)

Thanks, again, 0007. I'm going to watch it twice. It's very important.

[truthseeker1]

31. For a link to the documentary.....

try this:
http://www.acftv.com/archive/article.asp?archive_id=1

I just ordered a copy last week and am anxiously awaiting its arrival.

I have seen the Amy Goodman interview with Jamie Doran (which is what's in your link), but it's not the full documentary - just a few outtakes. I watched it just the other day and was left wanting to see the full documentary.

Here's another interview with Doran on Buzzflash:

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/09/23_doran.html

[Bandit]

26. Are those Republican Senators saying that consensual sex is okay?

But I thought it was the worst thing possible when President Clinton had Consensual Foreplay. I won't call it sex because by the definition that was given to Clinton by the Independent Council a blow job is not considered sex. Clinton did not lie if one uses the definition given to him. He did not have Sexual Relations with that woman. But in typical Republican manner everything gets twisted.

[cal04]

11. Senators call images of abuse ‘disgusting’

Rumsfeld denies techniques violate international rules for POWs

Members of Congress said Wednesday that new photographs and video clips of U.S. soldiers brutalizing Iraqi prisoners were even worse than they had expected, depicting “disgusting” and “appalling” instances of torture and humiliation.


“I expected that these pictures would be very hard on the stomach lining, and it was significantly worse than anything that I had anticipated,” said Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore. “Take the worse case and multiply it several times over.”

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., called the images “appalling,” saying they “go beyond” what much of the world has already seen in photos broadcast and published earlier this month.

Rumsfeld defends most techniques
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said the abuses at Abu Ghraib were unauthorized actions taken by a handful of personnel, but senators sharply questioned those statements after viewing the new pictures.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Good now that you all are horrified

time for the rest of us to BEAR witness....

Hell stop cudling us... we can take it, we are adults

Oh and THAT FULL DISCLOSURE may actually blunt, in the long term, the impact of this damn war.

Release them, and let all those who SUPPORTED THIS WAR, see what we can do when we suspend the protections of the Geneva Convention.

[democrank]

15. This really is the straw in the old camel story.

I`ve about had it with these Senate morons. So Campbell decides that the disrobed Iraqi women looked like they had not been hurt? That proves to me that he`s clueless on the subject of abuse.

I`m surprised the whole charge of them (except for those who insisted on keeping their comments SECRET) didn`t line up in the Rose Garden and ask the taxpayers for $500,000,000,000 more instead of the paltry $25,000,000,000 they`re considering. You know, as a gesture of support for our Commander in Chief and his Excellent Iraqi Adventure.

[MaineDem]

16. Lawmakers: New Abuse Photos Show Torture

THat's the headline on the article linked in the original message above. Does Yahoo change their stories?

From the article:
"It was yet another series of pictures depicting horrific acts, examples of torture and sexual abuse," said Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota.

[lancdem]

20. Now the headline is

"Lawmakers say new abuse photos even worse."

[Shadder]

24. Looks like

Every time they update the story they also update the headline

[Judi Lynn]

18. Wow! Did anyone take the time to look at the Yahoo slideshow

accompanying the article, showing related shots, like this one?

U.S. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) leads a group of congressmen into the House Committee on Armed Services room to view unreleased photographs on the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq (news - web sites) by U.S. military personnel, May 12, 2004. REUTERS/Larry Downing Photo #7

The Reps. look damned serious. And that was before.

Here is Texas's Sheila Jackson Lee, aftaer she saw the collection:


U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX) after viewing unreleased photographs of the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq (news - web sites) by U.S. military personnel in the House Committee on Armed Services room on Capitol Hill, May 12, 2004. REUTERS/Larry Downing Photo #2

[Just Me]

30. Yup. They look way pissed-off.

As they should be. This shit was covered-up. A conspiracy to cover-up is a freakin' crime.

The Busholinis also covered-up their real intentions/motivations in waging war on Iraq and the real cost of the medicare bill and the underfunded education bill and the air-quality post 9/11 and the energy policy group and the scientific evidence against its dirty air legislation and the,....

WORSE THAN WATERGATE!!! A bzillion times worse.

[saigon68]

32. the people meanwhile are registering their disgust

THE WAR IS OVER

[KittyWampus]

19. I don't know how the hell these people got into our GOVERNMENT

nighthorse campbell you fucking enabler scum.

I don't know how the hell these people got into our army," said Ben Nighthorse Campbell, R-Colo

[maddezmom]

21. FORCED SEX???? it's called RAPE

:mad:

[saigon68]

22. THIS IS A VERY EVIL MAN



This man doesn’t think you are smart enough to handle the truth. He wants and likes censorship
so His Master R. Cheney can achieve re-election and you can exist as a robot in this wonderful
DEMOCRATIC (tm) country

HE IS A VERY EVIL MAN

[Judi Lynn]

25. Went to high school in a Kansas City suburb, in Kansas.

When he makes trips home, someone always makes sure there's a news clip on the local news.

Shawnee-Mission, Kansas native, Shawnee-Mission North graduate.

On edit:

Hard to imagine he was ever a regular little kid!

[saigon68]

29. repost from locked thread THANKS MORAN POLITICIANS

Here is your handiwork--You voted for this shit I hope you're satisfied

Now GENERAL Myers Air Force is delivering





WAY TO MAKE AN ORPHAN MYERS


Sarah Haider, a wounded eight-year-old Iraqi girl, sits in a hospital bed after her house was destroyed in an overnight air strike, which killed her both parents, in Najaf, May 12, 2004. U.S. troops killed at least 20 militiamen loyal to rebel Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in fierce fighting in the Iraqi city of Kerbala, a senior U.S. military officer said. REUTERS/Faleh Kheiber

[0007]

33. This is worse than all those Abu Ghraib photos

Those dirty bastards!!

[tuckessee]

40. Thanks for ruining my day with that photo.....

....and every other American should have to look at it as well so that they may get a glimpse of the reality of this illegal and immoral war.

No amount of "rebuilding" is going to bring back her parents or blot out the horror she experienced on May 12th from the air strike delivered from US taxpayers via "Our Boys" in Blue.

I really have to wonder about the sanity of a culture that can merrily go about their daily lives while their military is running amuck and wreaking destruction & death in a war that everyone now knows was based entirely on lies.

I'd like to have that picture on a t-shirt with a word balloon reading "Thank You America for liberating me from my parents by killing them and from a normal life filled with childhood laughter and carefree play by maiming me and causing a lifetime of pain."

[Judi Lynn]

44. You have to wonder if ANY of the Bushies have seen this photo

or the little boy with no arms, or the man with the dead children in coffins, with his dead mother in law nearby, or the tiny girl with the ripped away foot. I actually think they are going to duck seeing them at all costs.

I think they would rather DIE than actually look at their handiwork.

[The Stranger]

27. RELEASE THE PHOTOS.

The truth must come out.

[mumon]

42. And the video....

I'm considering making a musical out of the Iraq quagmire, and I want realism...

I want a musical that is so bad, it closes on opening night!

[bobthedrummer]

34. Rumors include an Iraqi beaten to death with a steel cable, gang rape

of young Iraqis-both female and male, "inappropriate" behavior with a corpse, severed cat's heads, many sadistic beatings and sexual humiliations, torture involving dogs, homemade porno, and who knows what else.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

[Corgigal]

35. It's nice

how they all have opinions however this being American and all I thought I could make up my own mind when I SEE the pictures. Seems like some of them are thinking we are the Iraq press, not American taxpayers. We paid for the crap those people went through and I want to know, with my own eyes, exactly what we did. I can sign a wavier stating I'm old enough to handle it, stop the censorship.

[Dark]

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH DELAY?!

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said he thought "some people are overreacting."

:wow:

[Danieljay]

39. you mean in addition to being a right wing idiot?

I dont know.

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38. Hey grovebot! What's going on mister auto machine dude?

I like to donate just so I can show you, Mr. Grovebot all these things that I find. I am Waaaaay to scared :scared: of these fuekin tough guy chicken hawks finding out how would I would just like to %$#@% them in a very special way. I like to tell you Mr. Grovebot because you are so attentive at listening to it. Thanks for listening Mr. Grovebot, we will see you soon :pals:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_05_02.php#002924
(snip)
(May 06, 2004 -- 08:05 PM EDT // link // print)

An interesting tidbit from this evening's edition of The (must-read) Nelson Report ...

We can contribute a second hand anecdote to newspaper stories on rising concern, last year, from Secretary of State Powell and Deputy Secretary Armitage about Administration attitudes and the risks they might entail: according to eye witnesses to debate at the highest levels of the Administration...the highest levels...whenever Powell or Armitage sought to question prisoner treatment issues, they were forced to endure what our source characterizes as "around the table, coarse, vulgar, frat-boy bully remarks about what these tough guys would do if THEY ever got their hands on prisoners...."

-- let's be clear: our source is not alleging "orders" from the White House. Our source is pointing out that, as we said in the Summary, a fish rots from its head. The atmosphere created by Rumsfeld's controversial decisions was apparently aided and abetted by his colleagues in their callous disregard for the implications of the then-developing situation, and by their ridicule of the only combat veterans at the top of this Administration.

Tough guys ...
-- Josh Marshall
(snip)



March 20th in Fayetteville:
Remarks by Stan Goff

Welcome to all the partisans of peace. Welcome to Fayetteville. Welcome, people of conscience. Welcome, families, who's loved ones are under arms in the service of a system they don't yet understand. Welcome, soldiers, because I am one of you, and welcome veterans who can say to soldiers, as if we were the dead, that as you are, we once were, and as we are, you shall be. Welcome home to those who have been sent to inflict and to suffer pain and grief in the service of avarice and ambition. My own son is among you. I was among you. Welcome back into our sight and our hearts. Welcome home. There have been too many of you who have not come back whole, and far too many who have come home not at all.

These are hard times and harsh times, and they call for harsh words, and they call for clarity that sometimes seems almost cruel, and they call for a sense of purpose that has passion.

The Bush administration is a gangster administration, and they have used gangster tactics at home and abroad, and they have signed our names to their crimes, and they have spent our treasure on their crimes, and they have spilled out children's blood and the blood of the children of others to commit their crimes, and we have had – by God – enough.

And we are not going to sit idly by and pretend about this. We are not going to pretend that we haven't heard that John Kerry's only criticism of this war is that is isn't being fought competently. We are not going to pretend that this is not about oil. We are not going to pretend that this was an intelligence failure. We are not going to pretend that this is something we can change by being civil or by being obedient. We will not be civil with gangsters, and we'd better learn to quit obeying them. Because it is our obedience that do-signs their crimes, and it is our silence that will make us complicit.

http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/what/latest.html#vfp040424

[mumon]

41. reply on NYPOST headline...

"Leash Gal Sex Pics" is great literature. I wish I could write like that in my corporate communication: 4 monosyllabic words that include "sex."

the Post may be a right-wing rag, but this is art.

[Judi Lynn]

45. Lawmakers express outrage after viewing more Iraq prison photos

Lawmakers express outrage after viewing more Iraq prison photos
By Ken Guggenheim, Associated Press, 5/13/2004 15:02


WASHINGTON (AP) The No. 2 general and civilian at the Pentagon indicated that interrogation techniques ordered in Iraq violated the Geneva Conventions and said they did not know who approved them.

Marine Gen. Peter Pace and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said they were unaware of any U.S. military rules for interrogating prisoners that would allow them to be put in stressful positions, deprived of sleep for up to 72 hours, threatened with dogs or kept in isolation for more than 30 days.

Their statements came on the same day that a campaigning President Bush told an audience in West Virginia that ''I have been disgraced'' by scenes of American soldiers brutalizing Iraqi prisoners.

Pace, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Wolfowitz were responding to questions during an appearance before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., had asked Pace if he would consider it good interrogation methods or a violation of the conventions if he saw a video of a U.S. Marine in enemy hands, bound, naked and in a stressful position with a hood on his head.
(snip/...)

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/134/wash/Lawmakers_express_outrage_afte:.shtml

[drfemoe]

46. "HE" has been "disgraced"???

What a frking narcissist! It's ME .. all about ME. gawd HE is a disgrace.