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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:49 PM
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US soldier says her job was to make prison hell
Edited on Fri May-07-04 08:50 PM by JoFerret
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040508/ts_nm/iraq_abuse_accused_dc&cid=564&ncid=1480

Her job was to "make it hell" for Iraqi prisoners so they would talk, one of the six U.S. soldiers accused of prisoner abuse was quoted as saying on Friday.

The Washington Post reported that Spec. Sabrina Harman told it in e-mail interviews that detainees were handed over to her military police unit at the Abu Ghraib prison by military intelligence officers, or by civilian contractors who conducted interrogations.

She was assigned to break the detainees down for interrogation, Harman said in e-mails this week from Baghdad, the Post said on its Web site. But she did not discuss specific charges against herself.

"They would bring in one to several prisoners at a time already hooded and cuffed," Harman, a military police reservist, was quoted as saying. "The job of the MP was to keep them awake, to make it hell so they would talk."

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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:53 PM
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1. "detainees" aka military-age males rounded up from their homes in sweeps
NOT people who have been charged and convicted of a crime

NOT POW's captured in battle

this is how we are treating civilians :puke:
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:01 PM
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4. Thanks to the I *D* F for all the help! -including "bagging"
Sensory deprivation by 'bagging' the head, not to mention they can't breathe!

Israeli *Defense* Forces indeed!

Guantanamo and prisons like Abu Graib are straight out of the book of how Israel deals with Palestinians.

They don't have to charge them, not for YEARS!
They don't have to allow access to an attorney...
there's a HUGE list of things they JUST DON'T GOTTA DO!

Rights? WHAT Rights?!
America the home of the Free?
Free for all?
Free-for-all.

Welcome to Abu Graib.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:06 PM
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6. A BAG ON HEAD FOR FREEDOM COLLECTION
Edited on Fri May-07-04 09:07 PM by saigon68
A BAG ON HEAD FOR FREEDOM COLLECTION

By Ralph Rumsfelt Fashion Wear
Created by Chief Designer Wolfman Wolfowitz
Produced by HALLIBURTON HOMEWEAR --A division of (ETR) Exorbitant Tax Ripoffs LLC






This Iraqi man is wearing the latest in Ralph Rumsfelt Fashion Wear.

It's from the "I'M WEARING A BAG ON MY HEAD FOR FREEDOM COLLECTION"

Said Wolfman Wolfowitz chief designer of the collection. "Our work is meant to inspire Co-
Operation on the part of the wearer". He continued, "Sometimes a good swift ass kicking gets
them in a proper frame of mind to wear and model our creations."

Next up US govt approved chromed penis clips for electricity !!!!




Wearing the latest fashion in wear for captured Iraqis is Saddam Al Masser of Fallujah. In a
Wolfman Wolfowitz inspired creation, made especially for Iraq-Nam II. Mr. Masser models a not
too tight Designer white Head Bag. When asked how it felt Mr. Masser commented "MH$#)(*&%$$"

This creation is produced and marketed by HALLIBURTON HOMEWEAR –A division of
(ETR) Exorbitant Tax Ripoffs LLC








SOMETIMES IN AN EMERGENCY A PLASTIC SANDBAG HAS TO SUFFICE.



SOMETIMES NEEDING ENCOURAGEMENT

Note the Smiling guard’s admiring Stare at the soon to be covered model’s face. A bit of
coaxing and encouragement is sometimes needed before the model humbly accepts the new
“look” in Fashion wear



Note the smiling expression on the US ” helper” right



This is also done to entertain the troops and these 2 soldiers are properly impressed by the light
carnival atmosphere. Note the broad grin on the defender of “ Freedom” on the left.


The Plane ride sponsored by Myers Airways (Your best friend in the Air)

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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:38 PM
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26. Horrible!
The pictures with the naked men looks like Nazi Germany. The picture of the hooded man trying to comfort the child is the worst of all I've seen. If only his captors could show a fraction of his humanity. I wish there were a way you could get more people to see that one.:cry:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:39 PM
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27. There's a lot more people like Lynndie England in the military
And they love GREASING gooks and RAG HEADS
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 05:42 PM
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29. b-b-b-but the soldiers are just happy
Edited on Sat May-08-04 05:43 PM by louis-t
because dere bringin' democracy to dem savages! Thass how come dere smilin'.

edit: my sloppy typin'!
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:20 PM
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10. Welcome to DU!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:27 PM
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13. Where, in this article, is the IDF mentioned?
That's a nice whitewash you've designed, keeping the Christian Americans clean while you put the guilt on the Israelis.

It might interest you to know that we've been teaching torture to the world for decades.

But we really need help from those clever Jews because we're so dumb and innocent we'd never think of it ourselves.

Keep on insinuating. It looks so good.
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:53 PM
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16. There is A HUGE DIFFERENCE
between the State of Israel and the Jewish People!

Go Gush Shalom!

If you WANT I can dig up many articles on how the IDF "Helped" the occupying forces -- *especially* in regards to prisoners & getting them to talk!

& I am NOT saying that we can't come up with good-old American home-grown torture! wish that I could :(

YOU seem to be the one who is bashing Jews!
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:33 PM
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17. What an idiotic post!
Zionists are to blame - do not blame Jews.
Yes, it is common knowledge that the IDF has
been instructing the US in how to fuck with innocent
Arabs. This fact has been all over the news.
But, you already know that.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:53 PM
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2. Sabrina, my dear, only Satan knows of hell
I think you've yet to see its true horrors.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:58 PM
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3. Detainees
No charges and no rights!

This is the "freedom" that a Pres. of the USA keeps repeating, ad nuaseum.

If and I suspect it will happen that the Dems lose the re-selection they can only blame themselves. The Dems as a majority have been weak weasles and have bowed down to the NeoFascists.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:02 PM
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5.  Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba's REPORT
Complete text of Article 15-6 Investigation of the 800th
Military Police Brigade by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001

a. (U) SPC Sabrina Harman, 372nd MP Company, stated in her sworn statement regarding the incident where a detainee was placed on a box with wires attached to his fingers, toes, and penis, “that her job was to keep detainees awake.” She stated that MI was talking to CPL Grainer. She stated: “MI wanted to get them to talk. It is Grainer and Frederick’s job to do things for MI and OGA to get these people to talk.”

b. (U) SGT Javal S. Davis, 372nd MP Company, stated in his sworn statement as follows: “I witnessed prisoners in the MI hold section, wing 1A being made to do various things that I would question morally. In Wing 1A we were told that they had different rules and different SOP for treatment. I never saw a set of rules or SOP for that section just word of mouth. The Soldier in charge of 1A was Corporal Granier. He stated that the Agents and MI Soldiers would ask him to do things, but nothing was ever in writing he would complain (sic).” When asked why the rules in 1A/1B were different than the rest of the wings, SGT Davis stated: “The rest of the wings are regular prisoners and 1A/B are Military Intelligence (MI) holds.” When asked why he did not inform his chain of command about this abuse, SGT Davis stated: “ Because I assumed that if they were doing things out of the ordinary or outside the guidelines, someone would have said something
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:10 PM
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7. As always Saigon
....gratitude
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:12 PM
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8. I wonder how Sabrina sleeps these days
Probably not bad, I fear.

"The Post said Harman was one of the soldiers who posed for a photograph next to naked Iraqi detainees stacked in a pyramid.

The article said she had been charged with striking detainees and attaching wires to a prisoner's hands while he stood on a box with his head covered. She is accused of telling him if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted, the Post said."

I wonder if this is the famous picture, or another episode. Nothing here about wiring up the guy's penis, although Reuters may have been concerned about our tender sensibilities, and left that gem out.

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:24 PM
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12. WIRE TO THE PENIS TIP --POST #5 ABOVE
ALSO IN THE ARTICLE 15-6 REPORT SEE LINK ABOVE

HELL READ IT ALL. IT SOUNDS LIKE A REPORT ON BERGEN BELSEN
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:18 PM
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9. Finally. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:23 PM
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11. This confirms what was alleged earlier...
The interrogators simply did not believe that anyone rounded up could be innocent, so the innocent had a higher chance of being tortured to be broken.

And how would they know otherwise? It's not like they were like, in touch with the real world, or anything...
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:33 PM
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14. IT'S NOW LEAKING OUT --ANAL RAPE OF CHILDREN
Rumsfeld did not describe the photos, but U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and “acting inappropriately with a dead body.” The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930 /

SCREWED IN THE RECTUM WHILE MILTARY GUARDS STOOD AND WATCHED. CHILDREN SCREAMING AS THEY WERE SODOMIZED.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:05 PM
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18. I'm speechless.
The level of atrocity seems to know no bounds.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:16 PM
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19. Rumsfeld didn't even look at the photos until last night!!
He said he had looked at the full array of unedited photographs of the situation at Abu Ghraib for the first time Thursday night and found them “hard to believe.”

He looked at them "for the first time Thursday night." The Secretary of Defense of the United States, in charge of an unprecedented U.S. invasion and occupation of a foreign country, didn't bother to look at all the evidence about a major atrocity until months after he first heard about it?!

It never occurred to Rumsfeld that the atrocities taking place in Iraq at the hands of U.S. soldiers might not have an impact on the war? An impact on strategic response? Nothing? No interest whatsoever in reviewing the evidence until the night before he finally had to testify to Congress about something he had not even bothered to mention before?

I am speechless.

Either Rumsfeld is the most incompetent person imaginable, or he knew about these images all along and he's lying through his teeth.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:30 PM
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28. He's lying
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 07:50 AM
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24. Please, please, no more.
Saigon, I don't think I can take any more of this. Children sodomized?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:40 PM
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15. "I was just doing my job"
The Nazi defense.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 05:10 AM
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23. Don't forget I was only following orders
scum all of them
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:10 AM
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20. winning hearts and minds - yeah, right
- seems like the american killings over the past few months are more likely revenge killings - meaning the last 200 or so american boys died because of the abysmal stupidity of those condoning these behaviors. And thats outside of all the innocent iraqis!
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:34 AM
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21. Oh Rummy boy, i love you so !
Rumsfeld knew everything from the beginning.He's a lying bastard AND an incompetent.That's a dangerous mix,to say the least.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:46 AM
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22. Don't forget insane
I have been convinced of this since the early "Shock and Awe" days.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 06:25 PM
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30. Hi jeff30997!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:29 PM
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25. kick
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:51 AM
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31. And she succeeded brilliantly
</sarcasm>
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