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coyote Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:25 PM
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U.S. contractor is killed in Iraq
THE CIVILIAN, an oil services contractor, was killed Tuesday when a remote-control bomb exploded under the truck he was driving north of Tikrit, the U.S. military said.
The American, whose name has been withheld pending notification of relatives, was in a five-vehicle convoy traveling from Baghdad. Insurgents have increasingly been using roadside bombs detonated by remote control to attack American forces.
And in Fallujah, a restive town west of Baghdad, a rocket-propelled grenade was fired at a police station where U.S. soldiers had been stationed. An ambulance was seen taking two wounded soldiers from the scene.


http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?0cv=CB10


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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:28 PM
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1. I wondered when
US civilians might start being murdered.

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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 04:09 PM
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5. Do you call it murder when
people protect their homes from a gang of theives
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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 06:16 PM
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12. Regardless of one’s view of the occupation…
Killing unarmed civilians, whether intentional or unintentional, cannot and should not ever be condoned. Loss of life on any terms should never be debated capriciously.
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Mal Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:21 PM
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17. Anyone working for an invasion force
is part of that invasion force, and therefore a legitimate target.
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MHS Chips Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 09:39 PM
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19. Deliberately killing non-combatants is a war-crime.
You're using the same rationale that people use who want to bomb a country "back to the stone age" and kill everyone in it. By your logic, everyone in this chain is a target: The wife that makes the lunch and the boy that brings it to the farmer in his field who grows the wheat that is delivered by the trucker to the miller who makes the flour that the baker turns in to bread that the soldier at the battlefront eats.
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BushHasGotToGo Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 09:42 PM
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20. Bullshit. It's a war crime.
Those bastards need to be sent to the Hague.
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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:58 PM
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21. Yikes…I hope to gawd you speak for a very small minority of one…
Because I certainly don’t want the group that I’m proud to be associated with be in any way connected with those remarks.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 06:25 PM
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13. Oh! I agree with you!
On my part it was a feeble attempt to be diplomatic. You see soldiers die in the line of duty. Civilians get murdered!

IMHO

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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:14 PM
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15. Who are you?
And what is your business?
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:32 PM
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2. They didn't name the company.
Why not?
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headlouse Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:42 PM
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4. the civilian was delivering mail to soldiers and worked for Halliburton
The slain U.S. civilian worked for Kellogg Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton, a Houston-based oil field-services and construction company.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/ap/ap_story.html/Intl/AP.V6266.AP-Iraq.html
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 04:43 PM
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8. Actually, the story that comes up on my yahoo screen
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 04:46 PM by Frances
talks a lot about the company being a subsidiary of Halliburton, Cheney's company. It also says some Democrats are unhappy that Cheney's company is getting contracts without having to bid for them.

Can you imagine what we'd be seeing on TV if Gore had done something like this?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=4&u=/ap/20030805/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_1412

On edit: I tried to add the link--hope I did it right.
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:37 PM
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3. Kellogg-Brown and Root employee...

...ditch msnbc..... Reuters hipped me to the situation.

Check this out: <http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=EIG33DF2GZCC2CRBAEZSFEY?type=topNews&storyID=3224374>

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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 04:21 PM
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6. First soldiers and now civilians.
It is gonna get even uglier over there.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 04:28 PM
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7. Well seeing as how the war was fought for Halliburton
I guess it was only a matter of time ......
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:00 PM
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9. I haven't read much about how the OPEC members are taking this whole
Iraq oil seizure thing. Aren't they concerned about having their control and pricing undermined by U.S. ownership of major ME reserves?
Can they have their cake and eat it too?....Continue to have the U.S. as a prime customer while secretly, perhaps, undermining the U.S.'s ability to take control of ME reserves?
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:41 PM
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10. Before privatization, would the mail have been delivered by the army?
Is this a function of the army that has been privatized? I would imagine that the army used to deliver the mail to the soldiers.

If private companies take on army functions, shouldn't they be aware of the risks? An army person delivering mail in a combat zone would have been fully armed.

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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:51 PM
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11. I get most of my info at DU
so it must have been here that I read about how the soldiers were living in mud and then dust because their housing had not been delivered. It used to be that the military supplied that kind of thing inhouse. Now that is all contracted out and the contactors said it was too dangerous to go in with the housing. I wonder if the contractor got paid anyway.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:08 PM
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14. Doesn't that prove that privatization does NOT benefit the army?
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 07:08 PM by NYC
The soldiers can be there, but their housing can't? If the housing was brought in by the army, the people transporting the housing would be armed and TRAINED for the combat zone.

Privatization is undermining our country.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:16 PM
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16. Oh this is just a tumbling pickle, ain't it Rummy?
:nopity:
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sweetladybug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 09:18 PM
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18. My cousin is a civil engineer in Iraq
I hope he's ok. By the way, he is a Democrat. His mother (my aunt) would turn over in her grave if he was a Republican.
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