2 caught allegedly selling drugs at Occupy Boston

[Freddie Stubbs]

Source: Boston Globe

BOSTON—Two people who had been living in the Occupy Boston tent city have been arrested for allegedly selling heroin to an undercover police officer.

Issac Bell and Charlene Dumont were both released on personal recognizance after pleading not guilty to drug possession and distribution charges at their arraignments Monday. They were also ordered to stay away from the Occupy Boston encampment.

Prosecutors say police set up a sting after learning of drug activity in the encampment.

An undercover officer arranged to buy drugs from a man known as "Shorty," later identified as Bell.

Read more: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/10/25/2_caught_allegedly_selling_drugs_at_occupy_boston/

[haele]

1. Released on their own recognizance after selling Heroin?

They made bail after being charged with selling heroin? Is this normal in Boston? It certainly wouldn't be normal in San Diego...

Makes you go Hmmmm...

Haele

[onethatcares]

16. exactly my first impression.

I'm thinking it was one of those, "let's make a reason to roust everyone" type busts.

a trafficing charge here in sunny Floriduh will not let you get out on bail first thing.

[left on green only]

34. Maybe it was less than one ounce?

LOL :shrug:

[Kingofalldems]

2. Mock and undermine

[russspeakeasy]

3. The next headline....Man Spits, Twice....

[No Elephants]

4. I am SO going to work to primary Menino. 18 years is too long anyway.

[Freddie Stubbs]

5. Why? Was he selling heroin in a park?

[No Elephants]

14. I said "primary," not "arrest."

Anyway., I'm not sure anyone was actually selling heroin in a park.


As to why:

1/ as my post said, 18 years is more than enough. At best, cronyism abounds. At not so best, it crosses to corruption. Roosevelt served a lot less than that and they amended the Constitution to prevent a recurrence.

2/ At to why with respect to the occupation of Boston, he has been very hostile to it. Please see Reply 15. In addition to the things in Reply 15, he has restricted the occupiers to a ridiculously small area, what amounts to a wide median on a very busy street.

[MADem]

9. What has Menino done, except pledged to let the Boston site stay on, so long

as they stay within the law? The asshole mayor is former Mayor FLYNN, not Menino.

Jesus, talk about fire, ready, aim!

You need to catch up on your reading:

Menino Supports Occupy Boston, Calls For Congressional Hearings

BOSTON (CBS) – The folks at “Occupy Boston” picked up a big ideological ally on Thursday in Mayor Tom Menino, who called for congressional hearings on the issue of “economic inequality.”

“The Occupy movement is an alarm ringing, and like a fire alarm, it can be noisy and disruptive. We can’t just keep on pointing at the alarm. We need to think for how to save the building,” said Menino.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/10/20/menino-supports-occupy-boston-calls-for-congressional-hearings/

[No Elephants]

15. Maybe you have some reading to do?

Very soon after the Boston occupation started, Menino said the occupiers would not be welcome indefinitely.

http://www.leftunderground.com/threads/776-Boston-s-Mayor-Menino-says-quot-occupy-quot-can-t-stay-indefinitely

A day later, "scores" were arrested. http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/2011/10/boston-police-warn-protesters-leave-greenway-tonight-moved-out/AS0JWIbXT

The hassling of veterans for peace that day hit You Tube and TV pretty quickly. http://newslettercollector.com/nieuwsbrief-profiel/103978-arrests%252c%2Bveterans%2Bhassled%2Bat%2Boccupy%2Bboston%2B%257c%2Btalking%2Bback%2Bto%2Bprotest%2Bnaysayers%2B%257c%2Bmaddow%2Bon%2Brightwing%2Bhysteria.html

Here's a You Tube of a vet who claims to have been roughed up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZCl5Qg1nxM


More arrests soon followed. http://bluemassgroup.com/2011/10/occupyboston-more-arrests-police-harassment/

Maybe the blowbak caused backpedaling on Tawmie's paht, but he was not, repeat not, a supporter of the occupation,

And, I am not at all sure that anyone who was part of the occupation was buying or selling drugs in Dewey Square.

Please see also Reply 14.

[MADem]

17. Ah, so in your world, no one is allowed to listen, consider, and adjust their POV?

Feh.

I think Tommy is more open-minded than you are.

[No Elephants]

28. You don't live in Boston, do you?

You don't seem to know much about what has gone on with Occupy Boston and you don't seem to know a lot about Menino in general.

Do you even know how tiny the area to which Menino has confined the movement--and continues to confine the movement despite, according to you, his change of heart--is? Doesn't seem so.

The tents are almost on top of each other, not even a few inches between them to allow safe walking around the area. And I was there on very rainy days, when I assume some of the protestors may not have shown up.

Did you even watch the video to which I linked you in response to your question? That is not a matter of merely being against them philosophically before he was for them. There was brutality in that video. The time to consider your POV is BEFORE you give orders like that; and Menino certainly had had time to do that.

You can argue that, despite his warning the day before, the cops were not acting brutally under his orders. I would disagree because that is the personality I've seen him display whenever he is crossed. I am sure he never said in so many words that they should be brutal. But I don't think the cops were exceeding what he conveyed to the chief, either. But, if we disagree on that, so be it. I gave you facts in my prior post, not opinion.

And what did Menino do after, according to you, he had a 180 degree change of heart? Nothing, but call on Congress to hold hearing and--wait for it--the business community-- to be more equitable. Nothing a mayor of a city like Boston can do, I suppose.

Yeah, I think his alleged change of heart came from putting his finger up and finding out which was the wind was blowing because, if nothing else, he is a consummate politician--and not always in a good way.

Oh, and I don't think I've been the close-minded one in this exchange.

First, I made a brief comment about primarying Menino, showing no disrespect to any poster. You, however implied from the jump that I was somehow out of line.

Then, you asked me what Tawmie had ever done besides support the occupy movement.

Still showing you no disrespect, I did nothin but reply to your exact question by citing a few things he has done, with a link for each statement, no personal comments.

You did nothing with the information you asked for, but call me close minded and make some disrespectful, and rather silly, comments about people in "my world" not being allowed to change their mind. You did not ask one substantive question or make one substantive comment.

But I'm the one who is close-minded and who doesn't allow processing of new info? LOL!

Look in the mirror, my friend.

[MADem]

37. Well actually, I now live very close to Boston, and fly out of Logan all the time.

And I happen to LIKE "Mumbles" Menino. You know why? Because ever since he has been mayor, the city, which used to be a dangerous shithole, is now a beautiful jewel on the eastern seaboard that is welcoming to all. Everything from little things to improve quality of life, like skating in the Public Gardens to how he used his office to really pump up and push First Night--to the big things like the massive, substantial infrastructure improvements that have happened in the city over the last two decades--it's all down to Mumbles.

I used to live in the (now delightful but a former DUMP) Fenway when there was a murder every other fucking day, and a mugging twice a day and three times on Sunday. I had friends in the south end who got broken into more times than their car got stolen. And forget Roxbury and Mattapan--the only time you saw police there was when a paddy wagon was going in. The potholes were big enough to hide a family of rats the size of cats, people would throw BRICKS at firemen coming to put out their house fires (and a relative of mine took a brick upside his head while going up a ladder to break through a burning roof). That was PRE-Menino. The streets were filthy, the parks were shaggy and crappy, and the trees were dying. Menino fixed all that, and he has put more attention into schools than any mayor since friken Curley (for whom my great grandfather worked, albeit way down the food chain).

You have a real problem with people who don't agree with you. I cannot help you with that. You characterize disagreement when it's nothing more than what it is. You're also unforgiving. Menino has made some substantial course corrections subsequent to your links, which you know full well about, but conveniently ignore because they do not suit your narrative of him being the "Occupy Boston bad guy." Boston is lucky to have him--he's a damn sight better than "Kiss the Ass of Cardinal Above The Law" Flynn, and I doubt you'd do better in terms of fairness, experience, compassion, an historic and aesthetic sensibility, and ability to get things done in any alternative to him.

At the end of the day, you're not the decider, though--and that's fine with me. You're entirely entitled to your POV, but I don't agree with it.

I also think the voters of Boston know a good mayor when they see one.

[MADem]

6. Fuckers. Those clowns and a couple of homeless troublemakers, along with the

jerks who did the spray painting the other day, are doing a great job of screwing up what has been, up to this point, a good relationship between the police and the protesters.

If I had to guess, I would wager that one of the protesting leadership advised the police of this activity, and assisted in getting these jerks out of there.

At least the two dealers have been ordered to stay away from the site. Maybe this arrest will cull the unserious and the opportunists from the effort.

[No Elephants]

35. No, the relationship between police and protestors in Boston was not good up until this point.

[MADem]

38. It's evolved, but your material was from two weeks ago.

This was written several days ago--the whole article paints a VERY different picture from what you're trying to shop as the current mood:

....demonstrators want the police to interfere when crimes are committed inside the camp, Potteiger said. Officers have been asked at least once to come and remove unruly people causing trouble, including one man who recently stripped naked and began to walk around the camp.

“The relationship we have with the police is very different than what it is in New York City,’’ Potteiger said. “Even after the arrests, people would be very comfortable approaching them with any problems.’’

Leahy said that patrol officers have approached him and told him they support the cause.

“They say, ‘I understand what you guys are doing here,’ ’’ Leahy said.


http://articles.boston.com/2011-10-22/news/30311032_1_demonstrators-officers-and-protesters-boston-police-officers

And despite that, the clowns with the masks, who don't seem to get it, respond thusly:

http://bostinnovation.com/2011/10/24/boston-police-department-hacked-by-anonymous/

Way to win friends and influence people.

[WilliamPitt]

7. Smells awfully convenient.

[No Elephants]

31. If I wanted to buy or sell drugs in Boston, a thousand places would be better than

the occupy site or South Station, which is very near the site.

For one thing, uniformed cops are standing in both places in plain sight all the time.

[nineteen50]

8. Police selling drugs

http://newsone.com/nation/associatedpress3/philly-police-charged-with-robbing-drug-dealers-and-selling-drugs/

[kestrel91316]

10. Idiots. Occupiers need to be aggressive in the self-policing and turn in

people who openly jeopardize the movement.

Heroin? SERIOUSLY??? What jackasses.

[MADem]

18. That is what they have pledged to do from the get-go, and I admire them for it. NT

[No Elephants]

32. Well, either that or they've been set up.

IMO, the latter is more likely.

Please see Reply 31.

If I wanted to sell or buy drugs in Boston, I'm sure any number of places would be less risky.

[slackmaster]

11. What would Captain Renault say?

[Iliyah]

12. When the Tea Bats

were out and about and getting 24/7 corporate media coverage, I did not read nor hear of problems concerning their ridiculous ways, maybe one or two which quietly was shoved under the rug. Seems like the corporate media is out and about trying to pin stuff on the OWS across country. They proabably have people in the OWS to create problems anyways. What a bunch of jerks.

[MADem]

19. There's no equivalency. The baggers employ a completely different paradigm.

They get a permit.

They have publicity staff to tout them and send out releases ahead of their event to all the media.

They call in wingnut favors (Here comes FauxNoose).

They employ huge stages, soundsystems, porta-potties, and lotsa flags and bunting.

They get a lighting-rod speaker, like a Palin, to pull in the crowd.

They may get a band, preferably a well-known wingnut musician, to haul in a few more people as well.

They do a lot of RAH RAH, and say very little.

But here's the most important bit:

They are at their site for two to four hours, max. They put on their big show, and they go home. They deliver to the media something that has a beginning, a middle and an end--making it easy for the media to cover the "story."

I also doubt that heroin sales marry well with the teabagger philosophy or demographic, also, the two people arrested were the wrong flavor for that teabag crowd--I mean, really--could you see these guys blending in with a bunch of large flag-waving behinds in Bermuda shorts?

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/12005724618590/pair-busted-on-drug-charges-near-occupy-tent-city/

[Iggo]

26. Exactly.

[movonne]

13. There is a lot of people in this movement...and some do things that

could hurt the movement...but I will bet that more wall street people break the law and much more costly and destructive things...

[dddem]

20. I'm from Massachusetts

And from all I've heard (and seen to a point) Oxycontin and heroin are huge problems for our state, much like crystal meth is a problem in other parts of the country, so it really wouldn't surprise me to find this is true. that being said, it also wouldn't surprise me to find out someone was being set up to cause trouble.
Sadly, after 8 years of George Bush's antics, nothing surprises me any more.

[MADem]

24. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the people who have stepped up as spokespeople

at the Boston site CALLED the cops on these creeps.

Note that the arrest was not made at the site, but at SOUTH STATION.

I think this was a cooperative effort between people at the site who wanted those people out of there and the police. Like Menino says, 99 percent of the people who are out there have a serious purpose.

[No Elephants]

33. Would you try to sell drugs at South Station? Well lit and policed at all hours?

[MADem]

40. I hate to tell you this, but I live near a Dunkin Donuts that is "well lit and policed at all hours"

where they bust assholes for dealing heroin and crack all the time. Right off the highway, easy on, easy off, convenient, logical, anonymous.

The best place to do your business is in plain sight. Who looks at two people getting a coffee, or waiting for a train? When you're noticed is when you look furtively over your shoulder while ducking around a corner.

The only reason the Dunkin Donuts dealers get busted is because the purchaser is a cop.

That was a set-up all right--someone from the Occupy camp fingered those two as dealers and disruptors, and ASKED the police to take 'em out, like they asked the police to cart off the tent peeing guy and the naked guy. They don't need that kind of crap. Already there have been thefts from tents of property, including computers, and some people are padlocking their tents--not everyone in that camp has a Kumbaya spirit, see?

[MADem]

21. I don't think these two were "in the movement"--they were probably lucky to be able

to move their bowels on a good day. They look like a bunch of high fuckups:

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/12005724618590/pair-busted-on-drug-charges-near-occupy-tent-city/

They've been given a restraining order to stay away from the Boston site.

[vets74]

22. AP and UPI have it. Reuters, no. And no pictures, no mug shots.

Is this real ???

What does Whitey have to say about it ?

The mug shots are big time money shots. Nothing.

Is this real ?????

[MADem]

25. I've linked to their pictures twice in this thread. They are LOSERS. Do not defend them.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/12005724618590/pair-busted-on-drug-charges-near-occupy-tent-city/

High enough for you?

[vets74]

41. That is not a link to their pics, much less the mug shots.

There are no pics of these people. Isaac Bell and Charlene Dumont. Who ?

No mugs shots out there. Not from this arrest and not from before ?

-- No mug shots

-- Not incarcerated for selling heroin. Out on personal recognizance despite no apparent employment

-- No other photo ID on these people

-- Trace on the "6-year old" is cold

Since Vietnam and the Maddox torpedo boat attack, Bush/Cheney's WMD nuclear weapons, the Mike Stack and Patrick Howley riot at Air and Space Museum ( 8 October 2011 ) there's no trusting right-wing dominated official organizations.

They're crooks. Like Nixon. Whom they still idolize.

Btw: when is the first hearing on these charges ??? Where ? Who's the prosecutor ?

Occupy Boston needs to get a team on this one. ASAP.

Faked riot in Washington, D.C. -- we know that happened. Faked heroin bust ???

[MADem]

44. Yes it is--two mug shots of high people. Plain as day.

Turns out there was even MORE to the story--they had a KID with them (and that is probably why someone from within the camp dimed them out).

According to police, they have received multiple tips of drug activity in and around Occupy Boston’s ‘Tent City’ in Dewy Square.

Undercover officers entered the camp and were able to secure a phone number to call for heroin. After calling the number, officers were instructed to meet at South Station for the deal.

After officers purchased the heroin, the suspect, 34-year-old Isaac Bell of Boston, was followed back to “Tent City’ were he was placed under arrest.

31-year-old Charlene Dumont - who was staying in a tent with Bell - was also charged with dealing heroin within 1000 feet of a school zone.

The child, a 6 year-old boy, was released into the custody of a family member.


Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/occupy-boston-protesters-living-with-6-year-old-arrested-for-dealing-heroine-20111024a#ixzz1btwg29JA

Here is the first picture you see on the link I provided, previously--I don't understand why you failed to see it:



Also, since you seem to have trouble with "the Google," here's the record from the DA's office--it is a public record, so the four paragraph rule does not apply. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out it was someone from WITHIN the encampment who wanted these two bums out of there:

Two Arraigned on Dewey Square Drug Charges


A man living in a Dewey Square tent and his female associate were arraigned this morning in the Boston Municipal Court for their alleged roles in selling heroin to an undercover police officer.

ISSAC BELL (D.O.B. 6/1/77), a Roxbury resident who told officers he moved into a tent on the Rose Kennedy Greenway three weeks ago, and CHARLENE DUMONT (D.O.B. 4/13/80) with no fixed address, were each charged with single counts of distribution of a Class A drug, conspiracy to violate drug laws, possession of a Class A drug, and two counts each of a drug violation within 1,000 feet of a school or park. Bell was additionally charged with distribution of a Class A drug as a subsequent offense.

Noting Bell’s prior conviction on a drug distribution charge out of Norfolk County, Assistant District Attorney Matthew Fitzgerald requested that bail be set in the amount of $25,000. Fitzgerald requested that Dumont be held on $1,000. Judge Michael Coyne released both on personal recognizance and ordered them to stay away from the Occupy Boston encampment on Dewey Square Park, where they were arrested.

Fitzgerald told the court that Boston Police officers had been made aware of drug activity in and around the area of the encampment and were provided with a description of two individuals who were allegedly selling drugs in the park.

On October 20, undercover officers attempted to buy crack cocaine from a man nicknamed “Shorty”- later identified as Bell. Bell and Dumont were standing together when Bell allegedly told the undercover officers that “he sold dope, not crack.”

On the afternoon of October 21, an undercover officer called Bell’s cell phone number and arranged to buy $80 worth of heroin, Fitzgerald told the court. Bell allegedly told the police officer to meet him in front of South Station in half an hour.

The undercover officer was walking through the Dewey Square Park encampment when an unidentified male asked to use his cell phone. The undercover officer told the man that he couldn’t use his phone because he was waiting from a call from Shorty. The unidentified man allegedly said that he was also waiting for Shorty who “had the best heroin around and the high would last about twelve hours.”

A uniformed police officer saw a man matching Bell’s description go into a tent in the Dewey Square Park encampment. The undercover officer called Bell again to verify his presence in the encampment. Bell allegedly said that he was “bagging it up now” and to wait at the front entrance of the South Station train terminal. At that point, Dumont allegedly approached the undercover officer and said, “He’s in the tent putting it together right now…he’ll be right over.”

At South Station, Bell walked into the men’s bathroom and the undercover officer followed. The defendant and undercover officer entered separate stalls next to each other, and Bell allegedly put his hand under the side wall and made a gesture. The undercover officer handed $80 in cash to Bell and received a plastic bag of a substance believed to be heroin.

Uniformed officers arrested Bell when he returned to Dewey Square Park. Officers recovered the money used to purchase the drugs on Bell’s person in addition to a pack of Newport cigarettes with a plastic bag inside containing heroin. Dumont was likewise arrested for her alleged role working together with Bell to sell drugs. Officers discovered multiple empty plastic bags inside of a hooded sweatshirt in Bell’s tent.

Bell was represented by attorney Jennifer Sanders, and Dumont was represented by attorney Andrea McGeehan. Both are expected to return to court on December 20.
http://www.suffolkdistrictattorney.com/front-page-press-office/two-arraigned-on-dewey-square-drug-charges/

[vets74]

47. This has the solid police info. The earlier link has a security-restricted redirect.

Not sure what got that site black listed....

Btw: $25,000 bail for a Class A sale is still odd. And the female at $1,000 ? What's that ?

[MADem]

48. The site I linked to was a local TV station, no "security." There was

a little video blurb above, followed by a short article below. You might have issues with your settings.

The prosecutor requested the larger bail because the male suspect had a prior; the female, though had no priors. Because of the small amount, the judge did an "own recognizance." They are restrained from bothering the people at Dewey as a condition of their release.

This is Boston. We're not vicious to drug users here, particularly when they have substance abuse issues (look at the mug shots--that's pretty much a given). There will probably be some diversion/rehab in at least one of their futures.

That said, since the police are NOT going into the encampment unless invited in, I would wager that someone within the camp requested the removal of these two, and may have been concerned about the child with them. The police, previously, have been asked to remove a guy peeing on tents, a naked guy running around acting like an asshole, and a couple of people using IV drugs out in the open, so it would not surprise me if that's how it went down.

[vets74]

49. Most likely, someone had hacked their site and uploaded a trojan.

It only takes one for my security system to kick in from the survey data warehouse system.

Careful.....

[MADem]

50. NECN? I don't think so.

You may have a problem from somewhere else, but I don't think they're sloppy that way.

[Jello Biafra]

23. This is the type of shit.....

Fake News looks for....god we'll have to hear this crap from Billo the Clown every night now.....

[Devil_Fish]

27. WHAT??? OBAMA & DUNCAN WERE CAUGHT SELLING DRUGS?!?!?!?!?!?!

[No Elephants]

29. No, not caught. Not yet.

I kid.

[Odin2005]

30. I call BS.

[No Elephants]

36. Well, I at least call suspicion, but I think we may be in the same ballpark.

[truthisfreedom]

39. Who gives a crap? People get caught selling drugs to undercover cops everywhere.

What makes this place any different? And what does it change? Nothing.

[vets74]

42. But never release on own recognizance for heroin while unemployed....

Never.

When's the hearing ?????

[vets74]

43. And btw: did Boston PD fingerprint them ?????

What's the Federal ID on these two ?

Warrants outstanding ?

[MADem]

45. Why don't you call them and ask, and then report back to us?

That's generally the procedure when someone is arrested, you know...

http://www.suffolkdistrictattorney.com/front-page-press-office/two-arraigned-on-dewey-square-drug-charges/

[MADem]

46. It was eighty bucks worth--a small amount.

The hearing (arraignment) has already happened.

http://www.suffolkdistrictattorney.com/front-page-press-office/two-arraigned-on-dewey-square-drug-charges/

The OCCUPY people wanted those creeps out of there--which is why they asked the police to get rid of them.