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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 01:50 PM Original message |
Irvine 11: Jury reaches verdict in free-speech case |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. deliberate & malicious interuptions of a presentation by others have consequences. n |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yup, these 11 stood up ... |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Self-deleted |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Indistinguishable from a Governor Reagan speech during the crackdown on students. |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
32. Too bad Tea Baggers weren't held to that standard during Health Care Debate |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
38. "deliberate & malicious interuptions of a presentation by others have consequences" |
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Indydem (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. People used to practice civility. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. "Free speech has limits"....did you read that back after you typed it or did you just hit enter? |
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Indydem (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Free speech has limits. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. One more time |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
29. Sure you can..... |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
51. Was the ballroom on fire? |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I realize that metaphor is lost on most...... :-/ n/t |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. I get your metaphor |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #56 |
71. '....it clouds the issue." |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. And people tell me I'm too literal. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
79. Thank you for this post. |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. "It was pure showmanship" |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Rev Falwell main streamed shouting down others when |
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Indydem (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Well then, |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. No, but we should call them out on their rudeness. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Nah, it's easier |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I'm sure some will agree with you, especially those who |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Or criminalize malicious organized disruptions of private events. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. *sigh* |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Both were private events, I fail to see the difference because one was free. n/t |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. show me the contract Einstein. |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. "....in a crowded UC Irvine ballroom." |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
54. Hmmm... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
67. Touching someone else's personal property is not comparable to speech.. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. This isn't about what "we" should be, but about the rights of all individuals. |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. It was a private event, this isn't a first amendment issue. n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
63. How was it a private event? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. "Now if we don't like someone's message we shout over them and act like animals." |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Indeed, we should hold ourselves to higher standards. n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
64. You are free to do so, but voluntarily. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
62. No one is arresting folk at Fox. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. That only seems to be the case |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Brilliant, obvious, and effective |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #13 |
61. I am not sure every Arab who takes an anti-Israel stance is "left of center." |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
15. The powerful...the rich...and the crazy (as in Perry and Palin) can say all they want... |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
21. I generally dislike this form of 'activism', and the defense's argument that |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #21 |
57. I agree with everything you say |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
76. Fair point. My objection was to the notion that taking away this particular mode of protest |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
60. +1. nt |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
24. This as all about protecting Israel. |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
26. disgusting! further proof of the stranglehold that Israel has on most levels of US politics & policy |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
27. Orange County, long known as a bastion of civil rights. This verdict will |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. How many Muslims live in Orange County? |
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azureblue (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
28. It's OK |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
33. Disrupting speech is NOT free speech! simple as that! |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. You know, you're right. |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. NO, i mean disrupting events like what these students did. |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. "disrupting events" |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. are you seriously comparing the Israeli ambassador speech to a KKK rally? |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. A public university is ... |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. For the sake of the thread, I'm not getting into I/P politics |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Why is it so hard to understand the difference between expression and disruption???? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #41 |
65. To the protestors, he may be the equivalent. I don't think the way to analyze this is |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. The CA Supreme Court actually decided, when it addressed this law, that context |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Deleted message |
Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #37 |
58. Publicly funded university |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #33 |
55. All together now |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #33 |
66. Students have no obligation to grant anyone free speech and that is simply true. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
44. This reminds me of the ruling that matching funds dilute the free speech of the rich. |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
45. I thought there were only 10 |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. 10 that organized |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. oh, you mean the 10 incited a riot. |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You forgot to display the SARCASM icon n/t |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-23-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. What sarcasm |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #50 |
70. Not true ... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Deleted message |
vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. True |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
53. Freedom Works Organized Tea Partiers To Do The Same Thing During HCR Debate |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
68. Lesson: don't interrupt the Israeli government anytime anywhere. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
69. I don't think we can discuss this thoughtfully without knowing exactly what they were convicted of. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. It would have been CPC 403 |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
75. I'm sorry, but those students were being rude assholes. |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. agree, this is indefensible, and why's it so hard to understand the diff |
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Ash_F (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-24-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Were the people who staged protests in the US during the 60s assholes? |
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