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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 08:01 AM
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Richardson to leave Cuba bitter, with no prisoner
Source: AP

Former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson said Tuesday that he would leave Cuba after exhausting all possible avenues to try to win the release of a jailed U.S. government subcontractor, adding that he was treated so poorly he doubted he could ever come back to the island as a friend.

Richardson, who previously vowed to remain in Cuba until he at least got to see jailed Maryland native Alan Gross, changed his mind after meetings with the Cuban government and other influential groups failed to yield any results. He said he would leave Wednesday.

"I have been here a week and tried through all means — with religious institutions, diplomats from other countries, all kinds of efforts — and I see that this isn't going to change," Richardson told reporters. "So why would I stay?"

It was a stunning reversal after word last week that the Democratic politician had been invited by Cuban authorities and was hoping to negotiate Gross' release.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/richardson-leave-cuba-bitter-no-prisoner-195610028.html
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 08:11 AM
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1. I don't know much about the case... but very curious...
Somehow, I'm guessing Mr. Gross may be part of "the Agency?" Or at least they think so....:shrug:

I really want to visit Cuba and wish that we could break through all this BS and reestablish normal relations...:shrug:
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 08:30 AM
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2. i will defer to those here that are much more knowledgeable than i...
but my thoughts are that this situation has more to do with a group of cubans imprisoned here in the u.s. for the crime of assisting the fbi on a case that the fbi didn't want solved than whether or not mr. gross was part of "the agency".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:43 PM
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13. Yes. And his firm has been a front group for a long time --
as far back at the Contra war, iirc.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:11 AM
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3. Visit Cuba! It is easy---just go through Cancun or Bahamas.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:50 AM
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4. One wonders if Richardson "oversold" his welcome in the first place
What has seemed clear is that he has tried to establish himself as the "go to guy" for these tricky diplomatic jobs, that can not be done by the state department. Just last year, he (and Wolf Blitzer) went to North Korea to try to improve relations.
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SpankMe Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:20 PM
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5. You should see the comments at the end of the article.
If these people vote, then this country is fucked.
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mitsu Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 03:45 PM
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6. you may or may not care
about these kinds of stories,
but for me whenever i read articles like this i can't help but
think of articles from the past that most won't find applicable
but for some reason I still can't help but think of.

one that I always think of is the one about james sabzali

http://www.canadiannetworkoncuba.ca/Documents/Sabzali.shtml

http://www.canadiannetworkoncuba.ca/Documents/Sabzali-Eckardt.shtml

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 03:55 PM
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7. indeed
from that article:

Sabzali had been charged with 75 counts of violating the 1917 U.S. Trading with the Enemy Act and a single count of conspiracy for sales of nearly $3 million worth of water-purification supplies to Cuba. He faced a possible life sentence and a fine of over $19 million.

... But while Sabzali called the agreement a "victory," the settlement may have kept alive the case's most contentious issue: Washington's asserted right to enforce U.S. law beyond its borders.

The original 76 charges - 32 of which were for sales made while Sabzali was living and working in Canada - brought a wave of objections about U.S. "extraterritorial measures" from Canadian editorialists and demonstrators, as well as two diplomatic protest notes from Ottawa.

Today's settlement has the Canadian salesman admitting guilt for a 1994 transaction that occurred while he lived in Hamilton and was a self-employed Canadian businessman.


I wonder whether Richardson volunteered his efforts in that case.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 03:56 PM
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8. Really glad to see you've posted this information. I remember it so damned well!
It's absolutely unforgivable ANY country could torment and try to destroy a citizen of another country for violating an illegal embargo rule which doesn't even involve him.

Those embargo extraterritorial demands of other citizens in other countries were all identified as illegal in international law the moment they were issued, by countries all over the world.

Downright filthy, isn't it?

So glad to see your post, mitsu. Welcome to D.U. :hi:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 04:05 PM
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9. do US news sources not mention the details?
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=50463
(just the handiest source on a search)

Likewise, the US Congress continues funding for programs like the one Gross worked for when he was caught distributing illegal communications equipment. The Maryland resident was on the payroll of Development Alternatives Inc., a favorite contractor used by US AID in hot spots such as Afghanistan and Iraq.


with dissenting comments to the article.

http://www.npr.org/2011/03/04/134272743/In-Cuba-Jailed-American-Faces-Trial

Alan Gross is a 61-year-old Maryland resident. He was arrested in Havana in December 2009. He was working for a company called Development Associates International as part of a USAID program to promote democratic change in Cuba.

... From what we know, that was a small satellite called a BGAN. It allows a small number of people to connect to the internet. And as U.S. officials insist, his only goal was to help the island's Jewish community connect better with the rest of the world.


USAID operates in Cuba? How odd.

Anyhow, he has access to a US lawyer and US consular officials, and there's no obligation for any country to give an accused access to Bill Richardson. ;)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:37 PM
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12. Good interview with retired CIA Philip Agee on Gross's
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 06:41 PM by EFerrari
in Venezuela.

Philip Agee: Well, it is true that Eva Golinger has obtained a treasure trove of documents; she has done a wonderful job under the Freedom of Information act. She has thousands of pages, hundreds and hundreds of documents and some of them are really very interesting. I would say, first of all, that the amount of money that was being put into Venezuela up until the failed military coup attempt of April 2002 was about one million per year. That was National Endowment for Democracy money being channeled through the so-called core foundations of NED, which are the foundations of the AFLCIO, the US Chamber of Commerce, and the Democratic and Republican parties; there are four of these foundations. In the wake of this failed coup against Chavez, a decision was taken in Washington to expand dramatically the amount of money and the types of operations that have undertaken to that point. In June of 2002, the decision was taken – and you have to see this as some kind committee decision of all the agencies involved in this intervention in Venezuela, which would be as a minimum the Department of State, the Dept. of Defense, the CIA, the USAID, and probably two or three others… They decided in June that USAID would contract a private consulting firm as they had in Nicaragua which would carry our the major investment of money in Venezuela as they had in Nicaragua. In Nicaragua this private consulting firm, which was the key to the successful election operation against the Sandinista Front, and was called the Delphi International Group. This time it is an organization in Bethesda, Maryland, right next to Washington, which is called Development Alternatives Inc.

The contract with this consulting firm was signed at the end of August 2002, and they were required to move a team of people in here immediately, hit the ground running, and start spending five million dollars for the year Sept 2002 to Sept 2003 – that is five times the amount of money put in through NED. The contract calls for a second year option of another $5m (in fact it is slightly more), and these two years provide $3.5m to be given out by this Development Alternatives Inc., this consultant firm… $3.5 million dollars to Venezuelan organizations leading up to and beyond the general strike (which was from early December to early February), which caused great damage to the Venezuelan economy. But some of that money went into the TV ads that were run constantly during the strike; regular programming on all of the Venezuelan television channels, save one which is the government channel; all the others suspended their regular programming and they played commercial after commercial after commercial, and interviews of course, all promoting the strike trying to bring down the Chavez government. Some of this propaganda was financed through the five million dollars which had been given in September to Development Alternatives, Inc.

When the strike failed, then the next event would be the recall referendum which was set for last August 15th. And throughout the period arranging for the voter lists, the signings, and this complicated process leading to the vote on August 15th, Development Alternatives Inc. continued to pour out millions of dollars in aid to the opposition to Chavez with the purpose of ending his presidency through the ballot box. That also failed.

Meanwhile the NED programs continued through the four core foundations, two of which have offices here in Caracas, i.e., the Republican foundation: The International Republican Institute (IRI) and the Democratic party foundation: National Democratic Institute for International Affairs (NDI). So there are in fact three supposedly private offices opened here in Caracas through which all these millions of dollars are being funneled out to the Venezuelan opposition. And it turns out in the one contract between USAID and Development Alternatives Inc., USAID named the staff in the Caracas office, and there was a provision in the contract that not one of those people could be replaced unless they were named by USAID. So you have these three offices here, that are nothing more than extensions of the United States embassy, under the control of the embassy, of the State Department, of USAID in Washington, and posing as private firms (two foundations and one commercial consulting firm) while as a matter of fact they are no more than extensions, mechanisms and instruments of the US embassy.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Agee_on_NED_interview
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socialshockwave Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:56 PM
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10. You expect the dictators of Cuba
to treat an American citizen correctly?

I'd never go to Cuba - where freedom is what the government doles out, one right at a time - only at their convenience.


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socialshockwave Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:05 PM
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11. To clarify: I've always been an opponent of the Castro's
It seems too many people look at Cuba with rose-tinted glasses. It's probably not the paradise it's all cracked up to be - putting a 62 year old man into PRISON where he's lost 100 pounds for helping people have the Internet?

Is Raul Castro just like dear old Fidel - "NO ONE MUST LEARN OF HOW SHITTY OUR ISLAND IS THROUGH THE USE OF THE INTERNET!"

Cuba; where the elite live big just like good ol' Batista.

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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:28 PM
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14. The only way to get Gross released is as a part of a swap deal for Miami Five.
No way the Cuban authorities will just let him go without getting anything in return. Put the Miami Five on the table and Goss will
be a free man tomorrow.
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