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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 05:23 PM
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OIL FUTURES: Crude At Lowest Level Since February In Broad Sell-Off
Source: WSJ

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Crude oil futures prices shed more than 5% Thursday, plunging to their lowest level since February in a broad market sell-off spurred by intensifying fears that the world's major economies are stalling.

Light, sweet crude futures for September delivery settled down $5.30, or 5.8%, to $86.63 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. That's the contract's lowest settle since Feb. 18, when Libya's civil war had begun to intensify and the country's oil exports began coming off the market.



Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110804-723882.html



--Oil ends at lowest since Feb. 18 amid market-wide sell-off

--Tumbling equities accelerate losses

--Decline wipes out Nymex crude's gains for the year

Good for the fuckers who rape us on gas prices and stall the economy.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 05:27 PM
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1. Where's the money going?
Sell off of stocks and oil. Must go somewhere else.
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 05:35 PM
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2. Treasuries
It is going to the US treasuries as a safe haven.

Even Gold lost out today.

The US dollar blasted the euro today.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 05:37 PM
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3. Treasuries - the safe haven that almost wasn't, thanks to the Teabaggers
stupid fucks

yup
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:21 PM
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18. "safe haven" lol n/t
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:01 PM
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4. Gas prices?
Still a lot higher than in February in my neck of the woods......
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:32 PM
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11. My favorite Sunoco station
dropped 4 cents a gallon between my trip to work, and my trip home from work today.

The signs are clear, the stock market is predicting the next recession (in the eyes of the economists, who think the 2008 one ended), and the oil markets are reflecting this, too. Anybody else remember gas below $2 a gallon in January, 2009? We may be heading for that territory sooner rather than later.
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BillyJack Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:02 PM
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5. So, does this mean that gas prices will be lower at the pump?
www.gasbuddy.com tells me "NO"

How come gasoline prices jump within a half-day when the price of a barrel of oil goes up, but when the price of a barrel of oil goes DOWN....prices at the pump barely move....

It's "a mystery" I tells ya...... *sigh*
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:37 PM
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9. No mystery. It's Disaster Capitalism
in action.

It's all in Cheney's Super Secret Energy Task Force meeting notes, and the reason he has fought so hard to keep from making them public.

Enron was a proof-of-concept.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:04 PM
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6. Oil prices are going down *because* the economy is stalled.
Active economies need more oil. Since oil production can't increase any more, the price rises. Past a certain level the high oil price helps to stall the economy. Stalled economies, like stalled cars, use less oil, so the price falls back. These falling oil prices are a sign of major economic danger ahead.

Expect to see a pattern develop in the years ahead: Economic slowdown with falling oil prices, followed by attempted recovery with rising oil prices, followed by another slowdown with falling oil prices, followed by a ...

It's one of the signals that Peak Oilers have been talking about since the production plateau began 7 years ago.
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banned from Kos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:32 PM
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7. Partly - but the dollar gained big today and that lowers crude prices
Its also time to put this hyper-inflation nonsense to rest. The dollar is stronger than it was in March 08 (measured by the DXY exchange index).
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:42 PM
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13. Hyper inflation only occurs in countries with most debts are in other counties money,
The classic case is Germany in the 1920s, Germany had hyper inflation do to the fact it had to pay the allies off for "causing" WWI. The pay offs had to be in Gold, Fracs or Pounds NOT German Marks.

In countries where their debts are in their own currency, inflation can get to double digits, but sooner or later the inflation eliminates the debts and with that elimination the push to cause inflation dies (no more debt to inflate away). In countries with debts in currency other then their own, inflation can NOT eliminate the debt, the country can inflate its own currency and any debts listed in its own currency, but can NOT eliminate the foreign debts via inflation. Thus the traditional way to eliminate National debt, to inflate it away (Adam Smith in his "Wealth of Nations" point out that no country had ever paid off its debts, they sometimes go through the motion of paying off the debt, but generally only after inflating it to next to nothing first, through sometime this can be delayed for Centuries, the Classic Case was the City of Florence, which ran deficits for over 800 years, till Napoleon took over the city during the Wars of the French Revolution and made it part of his Kingdom of Italy).

Back to hyper inflation. Hyper inflation occurs when a country can NOT inflate away its debts for the debts are NOT in its own currency. No matter how much inflation you have, the debts stays about the same in real terms for the debt is in a currency NOT under the control of the Country with the debt. Countries with huge debts NOT in their currency end up with Hyper inflation, for no matter how high the inflation gets, the debt can NOT be inflated away. Such countries try the traditional way to "pay" off the debt, i.e. inflating it away, but finds all they do is inflate whatever domestic savings their have away, and then continuing on with even higher inflation in attempts to "pay" off the debt, but since the debt is NOT in their Currency, the debt stays the same in real terms and the push for inflation continues till you get into a situation where money becomes worthless and even the people holding the non domestic denominated debts realized that they can NOT trade theses debts or ever hope to get them paid off and either invade the country OR accept the fact the debts will NOT be paid off on face value and accept a much lower value (or even a non-value) and with that decision the Hype Inflation ends (This is basically how Germany stopped its hyper inflation, the US arranged for lesser payments to be made, and then even deferred them to a later date, for example the debts from WWI, did NOT become due till after Germany was re-united in 1991, and then paid off on the debts face value (ignoring inflation since the 1920s) last year (2010). Yes, Germany paid off is WWI debts but on their face value NOT on what those debts would have been had the debts kept up with inflation.

The problem with the US debts is it is in US DOLLARS, which is under the complete control of the US Government. If the Government decide to inflate away the debt, the Government can do do at double digits inflation rates, and before such rates even get close to triple digits, the debt is already inflated away and with the debt inflated away the push in inflate the currency disappears. Thus long before countries whose debts are in their own currency get to hyper inflation, the debt that is causing the inflation become worthless, and as it becomes worthless any inflationary push of the debt disappears.

Thus Hype Inflation can NOT happen in the US, given that US debts are in US Dollars. Until the majority of US Debts are in some other Currency the US can NOT have hyper inflation(And while China has One Trillion of US debts, it is US debts in terms of US Dollars NOT Chinese Yuans, thus the value of that One Trillion Dollars of Debts is in the control of the US Government NOT the Chinese Government).
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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:05 PM
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8. You already have seen it
But if we lived in a world without speculators this wouldn't be a problem.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:53 PM
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14. I haven't seen anything that I've thought was speculation-driven.
I've seen the market working as expected on an economically essential commodity that is now supply-limited.
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JAnthony Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:48 PM
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10. I dream of $2 a gallon gas as we speak
I said DREAM.

If I ever see $3.40 again, I might be happy enough.

2004 last time I paid under $2 for a gallon of gas
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:34 PM
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12. If that happens
the economy will be in even worse shape than it is now. At least in January, 2009, most of the unemployed had not yet exhausted their benefits.

If we get $2 a gallon gasoline, the nation's going to be in tragic shape, it will make 2009-2010 look like the good old days.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:58 PM
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15. '..oil futures prices shed more than 5% Thursday..."
....tank baby, tank!

....excellent, I may soon be able to afford to tank-up my gas-guzzler and take a ride....
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:17 PM
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16. Good. Cheaper gas.
It takes a couple of days to filter down, BTW.
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BillyJack Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:18 PM
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17. It only takes a half-day to filter UP, btw
Kick
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:56 PM
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19. BUt America needs more oil!
Drill baby drill! The nice blonde lady on the teevee said so!
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