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harvey007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:23 PM
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Norway PM: 'No one will bomb us to silence'
Source: BBC

In a news conference, Jens Stoltenberg addressed the attackers directly saying: "No one will bomb us to silence, no one will shoot us to silence, no one will ever scare us from being Norway."

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14257910
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:31 PM
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1. I'm mad about the kids. Any kids getting done in, anywhere. They are not in charge!
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:57 PM
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2. Keep that spirit, Norway...
don't follow our path.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:08 PM
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3. harvey007
harvey007

I have often been in disagrement with the Prime minister Stoltenberg.. But today Im proud to call him MY prime minister.. In fact I would say I have never been more proud of calling him, my prime minister than Im today..

We wil never be scared to silence.. Not be afraid of beeing norwigian... Do your best, we wil prevaile, and show them all, what we are really made off...

We might be naive, we might belive in the good of everyone. But we wil prevail even with this horrible act of criminal acts.. And we wil care for our wounded, and care for our dead ones.. But we wil be better than we was before.. It wil be many hard days to come, but we wil be there..

And I have to thank you all, for your kind words on many treads. I know you care for us - as we did when US was attacet in 2001.

Im both sad and afraid, but I do know, that we wil be stronger than we was before. We have to do it the right way now.. Calm heads, warm hearts, and good police work is what we need to do now.. I have never belived this to happend to our little country.. Never belived I would experience that someone who would blow up the government offices, and then kill more than 10 pepole of young age.. This is just horrible :cry: Words is just to poor to express what Im feeling at the moment...

Diclotican
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:19 PM
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4. Hey Diclotican...
keep strong, and do not let these people scare your country into doing the wrong things. We allowed our politicians to pass "The Patriot Act" which basically guts a good chunk of our Bill of Rights. To paraphrase- "Those who sacrifice liberty for temporary security deserve neither". Keep that Viking spirit :hi:
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 07:35 PM
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7. I am sad for Norway today.
:hug:
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harvey007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 07:49 PM
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9. We're all Norwegians
I am a U.S. Citizen but I have always considered Norway to be the best place in the world to live. I would move there in a minute if I was free to do so.

I was so saddened to see beautiful downtown Oslo blown up.

Still can't believe it.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 06:51 AM
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16. harvey007
harvey007

No one can really belive what happend freeday.. This is a schoc that wil recoil true Norway for weeks, maybe monts to come.. Its sad to se what happened in Oslo. A City where you can walk more or less free.. And even bump into the king and Queen sometimes, when they are walking out as ordinary pepole (off course they do have police in the back and front, but we seldom se them)

Horrible is this.. And thanks for all good thouths all off you have shown here.. And other sites

Diclotican
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 08:36 AM
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19. Can I ask why you are not free to move? Are you serving in the
military or something along those lines? There are exceptions; however, most US Citizens are free to move about & even immigrate elsewhere.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 09:09 AM
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25. 24601
24601

It is more like the lines of we was told, to be home, or leave the city all togheter if we had the posibility to do it. Becouse it was fearing that it was more than one bomb in Oslo. And in fact a few bombs was found at Oslo main railroad station, (one of the main railroad stations in the whole of Norway, as most of the traffic goes true this station) Thankfully no other bombs exploded, and the bombs who was discovered was finished up by police and bomb squads..

Diclotican
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:48 AM
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37. OK & Thanks. I had been thinking more in macro terms vice local
prohibitions .

Good luck & stay safe
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 07:58 AM
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17. two of my favorite places in Oslo - the Nobel Peace Museum and the WWII Norway Resistance Museum
both seem very pertinent. While I grieve for Norway today, I also am so very proud of my Norwegian heritage and the spirit of my norwegian relatives.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 09:03 AM
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22. salin
salin

True. Many places in Oslo is great to wisit, and the WW2 norway resistance Museum is placed on the Akershus fortress, right in the area where german used to shoot norwigian resistance fighters under the world war.

And, thanks for every good thoght you and other have given Norway today, its sad to se how things are today, but even then, we are not given up our freedoms for wiew of security...

Diclotican
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 08:01 AM
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18. Diclotican, from all of US to all of you
our tears, support and hope. The fight is engaged--yet again. Lykker till.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 09:05 AM
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23. Demeter
Demeter

Yes, the fight is engaged - again, and now on norwigian soil.. But we wil managed true this too..

Diclotican
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:10 AM
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28. Did this Bubble Up Out of Nowhere?
Has Norway been having crazies, or did this just appear like an act of God?
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:25 AM
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29.  Demeter
Demeter

I strongly belive this was no act of good.. This was an act of an extremely mad individual, or individuals as no one is sure about if he was alone doing this...

Norway are not used to this acts from persons who are disturbed.. The man who are in custody, is not known as a man with troubles, and in fact no one had anything bad to say about him, before he blow up government offices, and killed more than 90 persons at Utøya.. But he was known as person who had some right wing sumpaties, and who had been acting strangly for many years.. But for the most part he had just seen as a little "odd" but not dangrous person..

Diclotican
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:23 PM
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5. Well said
I stand with you, Norway!

K&R
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 07:13 PM
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6. a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. No matter how much he or she believes they have
...an exclusive arrangement with their diety, they are still cold-blooded murderers. Jew, Muslim, Christian. Anyone who kills innocent people for whatever reason is a terrorist.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 07:45 PM
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8. +1. nt
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:35 PM
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10. I am very proud of Jens Stoltenberg for that sentence.
Peace and comfort to all Norwegians. We are with you.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 06:44 AM
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13. yellerpup
yellerpup

Yes, I would say this was something different from GWBs speatch reatch after WTC.. But then, most of norwigian are little more sober when this things happend..

But this is a schoc, who wil recoil in Norway for many weeks to come..

Diclotican
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 08:52 AM
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20. Being an ex-Oklahoman
I identify completely. The news this morning of 80 deaths-- :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 09:00 AM
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21. yellerpup
yellerpup

91-95 reported now.. Horrible.. but it could be so mutch worse I fear...

But this is a horrible thing, its a bad day for Norway.. Hopefully we wil surive this, and be stronger, and better after this is over..

Diclotican
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 09:09 AM
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24. Is that number all from the camp?
This is horrifying. I haven't seen any figures of deaths in the downtown area, and from the photos of the damage it looks as if you may have fatalities there as well.

Yes, you will survive. I have no doubt that the strength and character of the Norwegian people will prevail and that you will prevail in a way that inspires the whole world.

Peace and comfort to you.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 09:14 AM
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26. yellerpup
yellerpup

yes, it was 91 comfirmed dead when I wake up, and switched on the TV... 7 comfirmed dead from the explotion in downtown Oslo.. It could be so mutch worse if it had been on a "business day"... Thankfully it was on a freeday, in the summer, when few was in office, and not many outside, as the City is more or less "closed down" in the summer... If it had been on a ordinary day, the damage could be so mutch worse....

Hopefully we wil show the world, that we can make the country safer than it was, withouth give up all our freedom.. Norway have a deep tradition for Democracy in Norway.. And our political leaders is known for been carefull when making dessision.. So I belive that our Parlament and Government wil do the right things, and make the right steps for it all...

Diclotican
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 09:22 AM
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27. I believe also that the right things will be done by your
parlament and government. I am glad that number of lives lost in the downtown in the single digits, but so much better if this tragedy had never happened at all. The man is obviously a terribly sick individual. He would have to be insane to keep shooting children. I also have faith in the Norwegian people that they would not allow their civil rights to be infringed out of fear. You have my total respect and sympathy. :hug:
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:32 AM
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30. yellerpup
yellerpup

The best would have to been it never happened.. And for a moment when I wake up, I belived it to be a horrible bad dream.. It wasen't.. But even if the horrible have happend, and many are comfirmed dead now, at least the damage been doing is far less than it could have been.. The person who are in custody, must be a madman he could not just shoot so many children and youth without had a plan for it.. But if he belived he could destroy democracy in Norway by this act Im sure he was wrong, many times over.. Norway wil never loose it, and make laws that infring on our liberites and civil rights by this.. Our prime minister said it so wel.. No one would scare oss, no one wil treathen us for beeing norwigian..

This is a scary time for us, but also a time when friendship and familiy can be tested, and we all be more sure about our values and our country than ever before.. And I strongly belive, that we wil came true this, stronger, and better.. And that our parlament wil not make laws, that can destroy our democarcy.. This is a test of what we are worth.. And I hope we wil get true this, with all our values in check..

Diclotican
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 11:40 AM
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32. You will get through it with your values intact,
dear Diclotican. Right now I'm sure your whole nation (and the whole world) is in shock, as we were after the Oklahoma City bombing. I'll paste in a link to what I wrote about the OKC home grown terror attack. Children were purposely targeted there, too. Our friends in Oslo live close enough to have heard the bomb downtown and she describes herself as "shaken." Such tragedy is enough to make everyone question the reason. There can never be a good reason to kill even the guilty, much less the innocents.

You may find parallels to your situation in this, but don't feel obliged to read it. Simply an offer of understanding. All love.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/yellerpup
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:24 PM
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33. yellerpup
yellerpup

Yes, we have just to make it true the madness, with our values, and our tradition of a open socitiy, where everyone can travel, and be as one.. Norway are in shock today, and wil be for a long time. It is just not easy to understand that someone, grown up in this country, sharing most of our values is capable of blowing up people and kille totaly innocent youngsters, barley in their teens many of them.. I for one can just not really understand why pepole is able to do this things.. One thing is to be angry about the government, but to blow up offices, and maiming and killing others.. Just can't understand it really

I understand your friends in Oslo is shaken, we are all really shaken about what happend.. This is not Beirut or Bagdad, but one of the most peacefully places on earth, a country who over the last 60 year, have given billions of help to others, and who are seen as a peacefully, democratic country... Oslo are not a big city, so I guess you could hear the bomb, from more or less all the places even away from the area around downtown..

I rembember the Oklahoma bombing in 1995, even tho I was "grown up" by then, it was little to long away in time, and then we dosen't had all the tools of today, as Internet or international News 24/7... And to be honest, I really doubt that Timmy was alone to bomb the building... I have still today a strong feeling that many was with him, to make it posible to bomb a federeal budiling..

And I also belive that it is a few more, who have helped the person who is in custody today, who are still on the loose.. And im pretty sure they wil be arrested soon.. Our police have given this their fouremost priority.. Even tho, it wil take weeks, maybe years to get to the botton off it all..

In fact I wil read your post, and se how other are thinking about the experiences like this.. Its horrible when it hits home, as is did last day.. But at least, he is in custody, and wil be given a fair trial, and then for the rest of the life, hopefully never see the light of day.. Even tho we just have 21 year as maximum prisontime.. He can be given sentences longer than that. He can be keept in protective custody, for the rest of his life... And I bet many norwigian, would love to have 5 min with him - alone without authorites on the scene..

Diclotican
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:08 PM
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36. Like you, I don't believe he did this alone.
Someone had to abet him in some way. Whether he was encouraged by like-minded others, financed by outsiders, or merely ignored by those close to him when he started up with his violent fantasies, the truth will come out eventually. Timothy McVeigh (my opinion after doing much research) was encouraged by hate-talk on radio, he partied with outlaw militias in Oklahoma doing methamphetamine, and in that world I'm sure he received much wrong-headed advice and encouragement. He probably thought that bringing down a federal building would bring all the "Paint-ball warriors" out of the woodwork and a violent revolution would begin. He thought he could bring down the whole nation but instead he brought us closer together. The whole world mourns with Norge today, and we will never forget the slaughter of so many young, promising people in a peaceful, compassionate democracy. Take heart that his ultimate vision will not be fulfilled. I am glad that you can keep him locked up for his lifetime. He can't be trusted to walk among us again. I also understand wanting to have 5 minutes alone with him. I am ashamed of some of the violent fantasies that comforted me after the OKC tragedy. You will heal from those dark thoughts, and your beautiful land of peace and plenty will come back stronger than ever.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:24 PM
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34. yellerpup
yellerpup

Yes, we have just to make it true the madness, with our values, and our tradition of a open socitiy, where everyone can travel, and be as one.. Norway are in shock today, and wil be for a long time. It is just not easy to understand that someone, grown up in this country, sharing most of our values is capable of blowing up people and kille totaly innocent youngsters, barley in their teens many of them.. I for one can just not really understand why pepole is able to do this things.. One thing is to be angry about the government, but to blow up offices, and maiming and killing others.. Just can't understand it really

I understand your friends in Oslo is shaken, we are all really shaken about what happend.. This is not Beirut or Bagdad, but one of the most peacefully places on earth, a country who over the last 60 year, have given billions of help to others, and who are seen as a peacefully, democratic country... Oslo are not a big city, so I guess you could hear the bomb, from more or less all the places even away from the area around downtown..

I rembember the Oklahoma bombing in 1995, even tho I was "grown up" by then, it was little to long away in time, and then we dosen't had all the tools of today, as Internet or international News 24/7... And to be honest, I really doubt that Timmy was alone to bomb the building... I have still today a strong feeling that many was with him, to make it posible to bomb a federeal budiling..

And I also belive that it is a few more, who have helped the person who is in custody today, who are still on the loose.. And im pretty sure they wil be arrested soon.. Our police have given this their fouremost priority.. Even tho, it wil take weeks, maybe years to get to the botton off it all..

In fact I wil read your post, and se how other are thinking about the experiences like this.. Its horrible when it hits home, as is did last day.. But at least, he is in custody, and wil be given a fair trial, and then for the rest of the life, hopefully never see the light of day.. Even tho we just have 21 year as maximum prisontime.. He can be given sentences longer than that. He can be keept in protective custody, for the rest of his life... And I bet many norwigian, would love to have 5 min with him - alone without authorites on the scene..

Diclotican
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:24 PM
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35. yellerpup
yellerpup

Yes, we have just to make it true the madness, with our values, and our tradition of a open socitiy, where everyone can travel, and be as one.. Norway are in shock today, and wil be for a long time. It is just not easy to understand that someone, grown up in this country, sharing most of our values is capable of blowing up people and kille totaly innocent youngsters, barley in their teens many of them.. I for one can just not really understand why pepole is able to do this things.. One thing is to be angry about the government, but to blow up offices, and maiming and killing others.. Just can't understand it really

I understand your friends in Oslo is shaken, we are all really shaken about what happend.. This is not Beirut or Bagdad, but one of the most peacefully places on earth, a country who over the last 60 year, have given billions of help to others, and who are seen as a peacefully, democratic country... Oslo are not a big city, so I guess you could hear the bomb, from more or less all the places even away from the area around downtown..

I rembember the Oklahoma bombing in 1995, even tho I was "grown up" by then, it was little to long away in time, and then we dosen't had all the tools of today, as Internet or international News 24/7... And to be honest, I really doubt that Timmy was alone to bomb the building... I have still today a strong feeling that many was with him, to make it posible to bomb a federeal budiling..

And I also belive that it is a few more, who have helped the person who is in custody today, who are still on the loose.. And im pretty sure they wil be arrested soon.. Our police have given this their fouremost priority.. Even tho, it wil take weeks, maybe years to get to the botton off it all..

In fact I wil read your post, and se how other are thinking about the experiences like this.. Its horrible when it hits home, as is did last day.. But at least, he is in custody, and wil be given a fair trial, and then for the rest of the life, hopefully never see the light of day.. Even tho we just have 21 year as maximum prisontime.. He can be given sentences longer than that. He can be keept in protective custody, for the rest of his life... And I bet many norwigian, would love to have 5 min with him - alone without authorites on the scene..

Diclotican
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lordcommander Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:43 PM
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11. Alt for Norge n/t
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 06:44 AM
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14.  lordcommander
lordcommander

More than ever, Alt for Norge..

Diclotican
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:49 AM
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12.  Love you, Norway!!!
:hug: My thoughts and prayers are with you!!! :loveya: :yourock:
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 06:47 AM
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15. DianaForRussFeingold
DianaForRussFeingold

Thank you, today I belive Norway to be more close than ever before.. But it is a sad day, many is killed.. at the moment more than 84 is killed at Utøya, and posible many more are either wounded or died, as it was more than 700 out there when the attac happened..

This is the worst thing happend in Norway, sinse Germany occupied Norway in the 1940s..

Diclotican
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:45 AM
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31. They Won't SIlence Us here in the US either
the freaks
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