Norway: Blast near government buildings in Oslo

[xchrom]

Source: BBC

An explosion has hit near government headquarters in the Norwegian capital Oslo, say reports.

There is no confirmation on the number of people injured, but some buildings are said to have been damaged in the blast in the centre of the city.

Details of the scale of the blast are still emerging.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515

[xchrom]

1. Explosion in Oslo damages buildings

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_NORWAY_EXPLOSION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-07-22-09-46-58

OSLO, Norway (AP) -- A loud explosion has shattered windows and led to evacuations of office buildings near the government headquarters in downtown Oslo.

An AP reporter says newspaper offices in the area are also damaged and smoke is drifting in the streets. He saw a young man with a bleeding leg being helped away from the area. It wasn't immediately clear whether there were other injuries or exactly where the explosion happened.

[mogster]

195. Seems likely to be a Oklahoma-type incident

Police confirmed tonight that the shooter was a 32 y old white male, Norwegian citizen, at least acting alone.
He seems to be behind both incidents, both the bombing and the shooting at Utøya Labour youth summer camp.
Horrible events both, death toll in Oslo is 7 so far, at Utøya more than 15 kids seems to be gunned down.
Explosives found in the car booth and at Utøya, and the shooter--wearing a police uniform--was, reportedly, spotted in Oslo in the area just before the blast.

[mogster]

215. Wiki on the suspect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

[muriel_volestrangler]

2. Reuters refers to "the tangled wreckage of a car was outside one building"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/22/us-norway-blast-idUSTRE76L2VI20110722

which increases the chances of a bomb rather than, say, a gas explosion.

[xchrom]

3. Interesting. Nt

[Lucky Luciano]

4. It was a bomb. Saw at least one theory related to some

crazy Kurdish mullah Krekar who made threats to the PM as it related to his being deported after being arrested on terrorism charges.

He said, "Norway will pay a heavy price for my death. If, for example, Erna Solberg deports me and I die as a result, she will suffer the same fate."

he said this Tuesday. Pure speculation that the blast is related. Came from Al-Jazeera Europe's site.

[CJvR]

15. "I am not...

...a terrorist! And I will blow up half of Oslo to prove it..."

[suffragette]

5. Huge Explosion Hits Oslo, Norway

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/07/oslo-explosion/40289/

Eight people have been reported injured, although the Prime Minister has been reported by the AP to be unharmed. Christian Aglen, a development manager at Norway's financial news website (E24.no), tweets the above picture: "Unreal. An entire block has exploded!

[xchrom]

6. +1

[suffragette]

7. CNN International has a banner saying there's been a 2nd blast

http://edition.cnn.com/
Second blast heard in central Oslo shortly after an initial explosion rocked the city, according to state TV.

Found a link from them with more info:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/blast-rips-through-norways-capital-injuries-reported/


Update: 10:16 ET, 4:16 p.m. Oslo] At least one of the explosions happened near some government buildings, said Walter Gibbs, a journalist with Reuters. He said he saw eight injured people, including two or three with serious wounds and one who looked dead. Reuters reported that the prime minister was safe.

A second blast was heard in central Oslo shortly after an initial explosion rocked the city, a reporter for Norwegian state broadcaster NRK told CNN Friday. Linda Reinholdsen said there was a state of confusion in the city and several government buildings were affected.

See photos from Norway state TV.

<10 a.m. ET, 4 p.m. Oslo> An explosion rocked a part of central Oslo, Norway, on Friday, state TV reported. State TV broadcaster NRK said on its website that windows in several buildings had been blown out and people were in the street bleeding. News reports suggest the government building has been affected.

[xchrom]

8. oy. nt

[suffragette]

9. Yeah. Sounds bad

[brooklynite]

10. UPDATE (with photo) from Norweigen newspaper

(translation)

Large explosion in central Oslo
There has been a major explosion in downtown Oslo. Windows are broken in VG-built and government officials in Oslo. AVBERIT STRØYER AALBORG LARS INGE Staveland KRISTINE GRUE Langset HELLE'S

It is not yet possible to say how many people are injured or killed in the explosion.

...snip...

Many people are bleeding in the street outside, hit by broken glass that fell from the broken windows.

- You can not go through here, because there are still two bombs we do not know where is, police on site to Aftenposten.no reporters.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article4180673.ece

[xchrom]

11. look. at. that.nt

[dixiegrrrrl]

181. Reminds me of the Oklahoma blast.

[freshwest]

125. OMG! WTH!

[xchrom]

12. Norway: Blast near prime minister's office in Oslo {video @ link}

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515

A large explosion has hit near government headquarters in the Norwegian capital Oslo.

At least one person was killed in the city centre blast, national broadcaster NRK reports.

The offices of Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg were damaged extensively but he was reportedly unharmed.

At least eight people were injured, local media said. No-one has said they were behind the explosion.

[muriel_volestrangler]

23. Live Norwegian TV link

http://www.nrk.no/video/direkte_bombeeksplosjon_i_oslo/43FF687EE064C88B/

They're showing about a minute of footage in the central area - it was a very large explosion.

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. Website of the tabloid said to have been heavily damaged

http://www.vg.no/

Google translation: http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=no&u=http://www.vg.no/

"Police confirm: several are dead"

[Lars77]

14. I'm a Norwegian living in Germany, this is surreal

It can't be a gas explosion, because we don't have a central gas system, and i am almost absolutely sure there are no gas pipes in these buildings.

The building hit is the ministry of oil and energy.


We have been under threat ever since the Muhammed cartoons came out, and a terror cell was uncovered a year ago.

I am worried that this is going to cause serious tensions - Oslo is around 20% islamic.

[CJvR]

18. Well...

...the TV reports mentioned fires in the canteen so it sould be bottles, but it would have to be loads of bottles for a blast that big.

[freshwest]

128. Nothing ever justifies anything like this. I'm so sorry.

[dixiegrrrrl]

182. Had no idea there were that many Muslims in Oslo.

Thanks for the info.

edited for spelling.

[jakeXT]

219. Have you read this ?

http://mobil.aftenposten.no/article.htm?articleId=3569108

http://www.n-tv.de/politik/USA-lassen-Norweger-ueberwachen-article1860241.html

[Lars77]

16. OSLO POLICE: EXPLOSION WAS A BOMB

[xchrom]

20. +1

[CJvR]

21. Not surprising.

From the pictures I have seen.

[spinbaby]

17. Who attacks Norway?

I'm hard put to think of a country I'd consider less likely to be the victim of a terror attack.

[Lars77]

24. Unfortunately we have a "dual" world personality

We might be a peace brokering nation, but we are also engaged in Afghanistan, we are bombing Libya.

Our government actually apoligized for the mohammed cartoons, however we have been threatened by Al Qaida on and off for a long time. I think we would be a very easy target.

It's the Norwegian ministry of oil and energy, which is facing the administration building of the government.

[jakeXT]

28. Norway was part of Operation Gladio

http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2006/10/119640.pdf (Norway is on page 176)

And the Libya mission should end this month

Two of the jets are likely to be withdrawn after Norway’s initial three-month commitment period ends on June 24. The remaining four will be withdrawn from August 1.

“We have agreed on a reduced contribution and thereafter a final withdrawal on August 1,” Bård Vegar Solhjell, parliamentary leader for one of the government coalition parties, the Socialist Left (SV), told news bureau NTB just before the weekend. “Now Norway must provide help to find a peaceful solution for Libya.”
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/06/13/jets-to-return-from-libya-in-august/

It's like nobody wants to and someone is pushing them

(Reuters) - Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said on Thursday he was against NATO intervention in Libya but had to go along with it, an admission that exposed the fragility of the alliance trying to unseat Muammar Gaddafi.

NATO warplanes have been bombing Libya under a U.N. mandate, but the alliance is under mounting strain because of the cost of the operation and the failure, after more than three months, to produce a decisive outcome.

"I was against this measure," Berlusconi said. "I had my hands tied by the vote of the parliament of my country. But I was against and I am against this intervention which will end in a way that no-one knows."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/07/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110707

[Lars77]

30. The SV party in the govt coalition wants norway to withdraw from NATO

However, they are a bunch of wimps, who are just sitting quietly i the corner with the Labour party running the government.

They're only in there to stop the right from gaining government power, and they know it.

Their MPs might say things like this sometimes, but it's just to keep their "base" calm to limit damage in the next election.

[buckrogers1965]

220. wrong spot

[awoke_in_2003]

56. "Our government actually apoligized for the mohammed cartoons"

they shouldn't have- it is a free speech issue, and apologies make no difference to the likes of these people.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

192. Funny what happens when you yield to terrorists

It does nothing.

[awoke_in_2003]

193. it is a lose-lose situation...

for sure. I just hope Norway doesn't react to this as badly as we did to 9/11. You cannot let nutcases undermine civil liberties.

[Ghost Dog]

70. Mmm. Gaddafi did make threats... n/t

[Lucky Luciano]

37. The terrorists hate them for their healthcare. nt

[David__77]

47. Norway is hardly Switzerland.

It is a long-time member-state of NATO, and is engaging in activities against Libya and Afghanistan. People tend to think that social democracies are aloof from geopolitical strife, but not so. Certainly, actions targeting civilians are very condemnable.

[slackmaster]

50. I heard three theories on NPR this morning. All three involved the Religion of Peace.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/22/oslo-bomb-suspicion-islamist-militants

[jwirr]

52. Yes, they help negotiate peace. They do not do anything to get

this kind of treatment. This will bring up more opposition to immigration in Europe. If they are right on who did this they are not helping themselves or their people at all. Terrorism solves nothing.

[Lars77]

57. We are bombing afghanistan and libya

But it's probably the Mohammed cartoons that set this off. Terror cells have been uncovered before.

[Ghost Dog]

73. Or... Norwegian neo-fascists? n/t

[AntiFascist]

139. That would be my guess...

recall the Middle East terrorism connections in the Oklahoma City bombing:

http://rohrabacher.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Chairman%27s%20Report.pdf

"The Subcommittee investigators are dismayed that there remains a lack of willingness by the Department of Justice and others to examine certain legitimate issues. The overall assessment is inconclusive on the varied theories."

[Zax2me]

79. Really? Who?

Take a wild fucking guess.

[dropkickpa]

110. Reminds me of Oklahoma City based on the pictures

Could just as easily be the result of a native far-rightist as a brown terrorist. They've got growing issues with wingnuts just like us.

[Diclotican]

spinbaby

spinbaby

I guess, many was using the same words, when Germany attaced Norway in 9 april 1940 too.. We was a peacefully, poor country in the middle of no-where... And then Germany attaced...

More than 60 year after, other attaced Norway.... And cowardy attaced sivilians in that way.. I hope the autorites are making sure that would never happend again.. This is just horrible to understood..

I might understand what many americans did, when 9/11 happend now.. This was far to close for comfort...

Diclotican

[Lars77]

19. Images from Norwegian media

Image carusel:
http://www.vg.no/bildespesial/spesial.php?id=8405

[spinbaby]

22. Oh geez, that looks awful

Reminds me of Oklahoma City.

[CJvR]

34. Far milder.

There doesn't seem to be any heavy damage to the structure itself, unlike Oklahoma where half the supporting pillars were blown out.

[spinbaby]

41. True

But there's something about the shape of the building and the look of the scene that seems very deja vu.

[CJvR]

112. It is an office block...

...with pillars on the street level. But it is still a building rather than a pile of rubble like Oklahoma.

[xchrom]

25. just awful. nt

[Lars77]

32. more pics

[Blue_Tires]

42. A single car bomb caused that??

Was it parked inside the building or was there more than one car?

[kentauros]

86. I've read it referred to as a "vehicle bomb".

Plus, if you look at the street across from the building that's on fire, it looks like a circular blast radius.

The impression I'm getting from these photos is that the blast wasn't intended to take the buildings down, but to use the glass and debris against people, as it has done :(

[krispos42]

200. I there's there's a blurred out body in the last one.

Yikes!

[Diclotican]

26. xchrom

xchrom

This is horrible.. As an norwigian, I don't know what to belive and what to know.. This is just sureal.....

Im not sure what to think and what to do for the moment.. Im shocked I belive... This wil NOT be a good weekend for most of Norway...

Diclotican

[War Horse]

27. I'm Norwegian too...

Glued to the tv right now. Just beginning to get a sense of the scope of this...

[Diclotican]

29. War Horse

War Horse

For the moment, glued to the TV.. This is hitting really hard home.. This is a new experience in Norway.. And I hope our government wil prevaile, Most of the police and other forces are out controlling, and safegueard the situation..

Diclotican

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

36. I'm sorry to hear that this is happening in your country. My sympathies go out to you

and the other posters here.

[xchrom]

38. diclotican -- peace be with you and all your friends and family at this time. nt

[Diclotican]

59. xchrom

xchrom

Thank you, hopefully we wil find out the guilty one and give them the right "medicine".. As in many years behind a prison cell..

Diclotican

[suffragette]

44. Diclotican

:hug:

[Diclotican]

58. suffragette

suffragette

Thanks.. This is really scary..:cry: The government is at least safe, the PM was not even in the offices today (thankfully) and he is in a protected area for the moment.. A lot of destroyed property, sivilians wounded and some killed - but it looks like at least it is have not been as bad at it could have been.. It could have happend in a bussy monday morning, with a lot more peopole in the area..

Diclotican

[suffragette]

66. My thoughts are with you

It is very scary. I'll be away for awhile but will check in with you later.

And another hug for you and your family
:grouphug:

[Diclotican]

101. suffragette

suffragette

It is scary, but we wil surive and the "good" wil prevaile in the end.. MOstly becouse I hope the government is able to do the right things.. Our Prime Minister is not excactly known to act fast:P So And our Parlament is also never known to act fast. So I guess we wil do it the right way..

Thank you for your hugs.. its matter to know.

Diclotican

[suffragette]

217. So important to proceed in that manner

We had a foiled attempt in my state this year of a right-wing racist who had placed a sophisticated bomb so it would go off and cause maximum injury and death to marchers in the annual Martin Luther King Jr parade.
Fortunately, employees checking the parade route noted it was suspicious and called the police so the tragedy was averted.

They did catch him, though I still wonder about connections he had to local racist groups and why those have seemingly not been pursued.

[salin]

45. most of my extended family is Norway. Many in Oslo.

was just in Oslo a month ago. We are trying to reach a cousin to learn if/that every one is okay.

Glad that you are safe. My prayers will be with Norway.

[Lars77]

31. Oslo Police telling people to leave the city center if they can NT

[Lars77]

33. "Probably a car bomb" located between the ministry of oil and energy and the govt administration bld

[Lars77]

35. Google map

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=grubbegata,+oslo&hl=en&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=54.665451,78.134766&t=h&z=16

[Lars77]

39. Oslo Centrail Train station and office building of TV2 tv channel being evacuated right now nt

[xchrom]

40. +1

[Lars77]

43. Breaking: Shots fired at Labour party summer camp

The youth division of the Labour Party has their traditional summer camp at Utøya, a recreational island in the south of the country.

Reports are coming about shots fired at the island with people swimming away from it.

[suffragette]

46. Oh my God

[Lars77]

48. Witness claims he identified himself as a police officer to get out to the island. nt

[Lars77]

49. The PM, minister of foreign affairs and Gro Harlem Brundtland (UN) were supposed to attend.

No idea if they were there now.

[muriel_volestrangler]

60. Which explains why the PM is now in an 'undisclosed location'

Wow, this looks like a coordinated attempt to kill the PM, to me. Chaos in the centre of government, and shooting where he was expected to be.

[Ghost Dog]

78. Gadaffi's people. Or it's homegrown neofascists and/or some kind of US Mafia-type

payback for not cutting them in on the oil wealth.

--> Pure speculation on my part.

[xchrom]

53. terrible. nt

[Lars77]

54. Number of people shot nt

[Lars77]

55. The man is STILL SHOOTING. Special police forces en route via chopper!

[Name removed]

61. Deleted message

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jwirr]

64. What kind of cowards target children. So very very sorry this is happening. nt

[slackmaster]

69. The same kind of cowards who recruit children to become suicide bombers

:argh:

[jwirr]

74. Of course.

[jberryhill]

223. Right Wing Self-Identified "Conservative Christians"?

When was the last time they recruited children to become suicide bombers.

[Lars77]

67. At least five people shot.

[blkmusclmachine]

51. Does Norway have oil?

n/t

[freedomnorth]

62. Plenty

but has achieved peak of production.

[Diclotican]

63. blkmusclmachine

blkmusclmachine

Yes, we have a lot of oil in fact! It is IS the most important thing we export..

And we spend it wiser compared to many other nations, who also have oil

Diclotican

[Chan790]

65. Vast quantities actually.

Both in the North Sea fields and on-shore.
________

Oil-rich Norway guards its wealth
OSLO, Norway — If you wanted to design a small, 21st-century nation from scratch, combining outrageous good fortune with virtue, you'd probably come up with something like Norway. With a per-capita income of $65,509, Norway ranks second only to superrich Luxembourg. Much of the wealth derives from North Sea oil, but Norwegians have barely touched a penny of it, instead putting more than $350 billion into an investment fund for future generations.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004024446_norway20.html

[slackmaster]

68. They have so much oil, you can even get their sardines packed in the stuff

[Diclotican]

72. slackmaster

slackmaster

King Oscar Sardines is the best ones;).. But yea, we have some oil, even tho we might not use it at sardines then..

Diclotican

[Zax2me]

90. They have non-Muslims.

Therefore, a potential target.

[jberryhill]

225. How is having "non-Muslims" relevant?

So let me see if I understand you.

A non-Muslim shoots a bunch of non-Muslims.

And this happened because "They have non-Muslims".

Are you trying to say that Norway needs more Muslims, so that this sort of thing won't happen?

[Lars77]

71. Multiple bodies found in the buildings, police securing area.

[Diclotican]

75. Lars77

Lars77

This is cary, really scary... hopefully we wil find out who did it, and give them the propper treatment..

Diclotican

[Lars77]

76. The Al Qaida cell discovered last year lived in the building next to mine

I am not surprised about this to be honest. The shooting at the labour party camp shakes me up more for some reason. But this is surreal.

I also fear for the future. We already have a lot of friction between the islamic community and Norwegians, and within the islamic community.

[Diclotican]

103. Lars77

Lars77

I rembember that story.. it was a nasty case.. even tho no one was found qulty in the end.. Sometimes they work, sometimes the police dosen't manage to make the case stick;/.. The attac at Utøya is aslo scary, becouse it proves more or less, that this was not just a single attac, by some, but organizated by many..

And how many is hiding, bidding their time to attac later.. And as you point out, it is a lot of frictions between muslims and ethnical norwigans as it is.. This would not make the case better I fear.. And it is also a lot of frictions between differnt parts of the islamic community in Norway.. As some is far more extreme in their wiews than others..

Hopefully, the government, and the police wil take the right steps, to find out who was responsible, and that it wil never happend again..

Diclotican

[Behind the Aegis]

123. Sorry to bug you, but I was curious.

Is gun violence a problem in Norway? What are the laws regarding ownership? I would think an attack on the youth camp would be very out of the ordinary.

Fred*

*I hope I used the correct word for "peace."

ETA: Also, I keep hearing reports of "hoilday." Is that as in the British use meaning "vacation," or is there a national/religious holiday in Norway? Sorry for all the questions. I really don't know too much about your country.

[Lars77]

133. We are kind of like Canada in that sense

Gun ownership is restricted, but its still easy to own one. There are loads of hunting weapons, and in addition many homes has military assault rifles stored because of our Home Guard system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimevernet


Gun crime is not a big problem however.


We have a national holiday time in most of july. This is the period where schools are closed, and most people take holiday off work. Almost everyone takes time off, and Oslo becomes very quiet.

You can still work ofcourse, but since most business have decresed activity anyway, and public administration is mostly shut down, there's no point to stay at work.

[Behind the Aegis]

141. Thank you for the information.

[Diclotican]

140. Behind the Aegis

Behind the Aegis

Gun violence are very seldom a problem in Norway.. And we do have some of the worlds most strict law when it came to weapon ownership.. Even tho many do have a weapon home, it is often in a safe cabinet, and also mostly used when hunting.. Not at human, at animals... For the most part, most norwigians are peacefully, and not used to weapon... In fact I belive most pepole dosen't have weapon home.. At least I have never had or wanted to have a weapon home. The one weapon I do have, are in BF2BC....

Fred is the correct word for peace in norwigian;).. Thanks for the word:

In norway we have something called "fellesferie" where most pepole take out at least 4 weeks of vacation, where we for the most part are eithere traveling to other places in norway, or abroad.. The word Holiday is maybe a bad translating of the world "ferie" who is the propper word I guess.. No national or religious holiday in the summer;).. Thankfully it was on a fraiday, and in the summer holliday season.. Not on a ordnary business day, when thousands of pepole are at work, and it is more than posible that most of the government are working in their offices.. That would been far worse than it is.. But even then, it is a horrible attac on Norway, and somthing that we have to work with in the following days, weeks, mounts and maybe years to came.. The fycial scars in buildings can be repaired, but the scares that we as a pepole might have, is not that easy fixed..

Most of Oslo Downtown is closed down, and the whole case is tense and little unreal in all.. it is so horrible and the news are reporting that maybe 30-35 pepole is killed at Utøya, where AUF had their summer camp.. This is a horrible act of terror, that we have not even seen the end of as we speak.. It wil take weeks to just sort out what really happend today... Im are both scared and sadened about this... But I have to keep the fear from really take a toll om me.. Hopefully the government wil take the right steps, and be open about the whole affair, and inform us as best they can about the whole thing...

Norway is a peacefull nation, who often is overlooked becouse you very seldom wil ever hear about us.. And I can understand that most pepole dosen't know about our nation.. It is a country, of interest for the few I guess;)..

Diclotican

[slackmaster]

142. My aunt spent several years there in the early 1960s

She was attracted to the tolerance and acceptance that the Norwegian people had for her (lesbian) sexual orientation. She lives in Arizona now and still pines for the fjords.

[Diclotican]

174. slackmaster

slackmaster

Norway have "allways" (at least since our independence in 1905) been seen as a tollerant country.. Even tho gay pepole have had their share of problems over the years.. As long as you was discree about your orientation, you could do as you please.. And in 1973, it was made legal to be gay by law too..

I understand also her wish for our fjords.. They are majestic in their own ways... And a marvle to look at.

Diclotican

[Behind the Aegis]

170. Takk for the information.

I appreciate the insight. Another user has also given me more information. It will help me understand.

Stay strong and best wishes from the state of Oklahoma, US.

[Lars77]

77. STILL SHOOTING at the labour youth camp

[Lars77]

81. Norwegian State Radio quotes the British Govt "Keep calm and carry on"

[Broderick]

82. Shocking!

Children!!!???

Come on.

[Lars77]

83. Former PM Gro Harlem Brundtland was there today

She was the first female PM in the world (i think) and used to head the WHO. She is now special climate envoy to the UN.

[Lars77]

87. The convention/camp has about 700ppl, mostly 14-18 years of age

[AngryAmish]

80. Teabaggers

[Zax2me]

84. LOL!

Funny!

[Broderick]

85. Wow, not funny

Children being killed and you make a political joke.

[Zax2me]

88. Mine was sarcastic

Just to be clear

[jberryhill]

233. He was closer to the truth than those blaming Muslims

[Lars77]

89. Unconfirmed: One shooter under arrest at the youth convention

[MilesColtrane]

91. NRK is reporting that an unknown group called "Helpers of the Global Jihad"...

have posted a message that this is only the beginning of the reaction to Norwegian periodicals publishing the Muhammed cartoons, according to Andrew Boyle, a journalist in Norway.

Murdering children over a cartoon

Insanity

on edit: I thought the cartoons were published in Denmark...?

[Lars77]

92. But only after the blast was known nt

[totodeinhere]

178. Whether this group is behind it or not, they need to be condemned for condoning it. n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

104. They were reprinted in a Norwegian newspaper

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/6952568/Norwegian-newspaper-reprints-Prophet-Mohammed-cartoons.html

though you can say the same for other places too (eg the Cambridge college I was at printed them in the college newsletter (about 20 years after I left); the editor had to go into hiding for a few days, and everyone grovelled a lot).

[MilesColtrane]

126. Ah, I see.

[Lars77]

93. Shooter at youth convention "looked Nordic" nt

[CJvR]

94. But...

...is there any domestic issues in Norway that would provoke something like this?

[Lars77]

96. Yeah. Anti-islamism.

Ever since 911 a lot of people have been paranoid, fueled by right-wing populist politicians. The labour party has taken the brunt of the criticism.

However, the bomb might still be islamist terror, we don't know. But it will be very interesting to find out what the shooter has to say. He's in custody.


We also have a small neo-nazi movement, but they're mostly morons who could not pull off something like this.

HOWEVER: A Norwegian/Scandinavian terror plot would be more likely to go under the radar of the police and security apparatus.

[Ghost Dog]

106. Maintain an open mind, there, Lars77, and weigh the evidence

as it comes in.

Shooter not suicidal, then.

[CJvR]

108. Hmmm...

...Jihadist seems to prefer one way missions so that is a bit odd for them.

Even the Stockholm bomber was a martyr wannabe.

[Diclotican]

105. CJvR

CJvR

No, for the most part Norway have allways been a rather peacefull and nice country to live.. No domestic issues at all.. Even our national politic is more about how much, or little we should spend on healtcare not about serious political issues.. Most of the important issues is solved in Norway.. Its just about how to do the rest who still are a issue:P

But we do have a small but radical islamis groups, who have on more than one time, told quiet clearly that they was willing to attac places of importance in Norway... And I guess they managed to prove that today..

Thankfully Our Prime Minister and the government are safe and secure, and was never in any danger.. But terror is often about scare the hell out of pepole rather than killing.. But I fear that many things wil shange the next couple of years, to protect the government, and the government buildings.. The main government buildings at "regjeringskvartalet" would posible be a fortress of security later one.. When they are rebuilding all the damage who are been made..

Diclotican

[Renew Deal]

111. There's always something for madmen

Do they ever need a reason?

[CJCRANE]

176. Edited...

as we simply don't know who's behind this at the moment.

However, I agree with a comment on another thread (it may have been yours) that it's more important o find out who the "handlers" are, that will give us the best clue about the agenda behind this.

[totodeinhere]

179. I would not want to speculate about who did it yet until we have more facts.

It is wrong to say that Muslims did it, and it is just as wrong to say that white right wingers did it, as I have seen speculated at Huffington Post. Let's just wait and not jump the gun on this.

[Lars77]

95. More images

[Swede]

97. BBC just confirmed 7 dead in the bombing.

Does not include the shooting.

[Lars77]

98. Seven people confirmed dead at bomb site. nt

[Lars77]

99. Norwegian Army bomb squad dispatched to Labour youth convention nt

[Lars77]

100. Worried parents packing the roads around the island, cannot get acces to get their kids yet nt

[Lars77]

102. Unconfirmed: Gunman called kids to gather around him then opened fire nt

[Lars77]

107. Witness says shooter had shotgun, handgun and automatic weaponry. nt

[Broderick]

117. They were trying to get away

Looks like lots of bodies in the water trying to get away. Just sickening.

[Lars77]

118. People were on facebook/twitter asking people not to call them, cause they were hiding

[Broderick]

119. So fricken sad

What could ever possess someone, anyone to do this

[Lars77]

121. Early to say obviously, but..

It was holiday time in the city, so the bomb was ment mainly to target the government buildings.

The annual youth party concention is seen at a breeding ground for up-and-comers in the labour party, which is by miles the most powerful party in Norway. It is often said of labour party career people that they were "bred" in this convention which has become an institution.

I am beginning to wonder if this was an attack on the institutional left in this country. And by a Nordic-looking gunman.


Honestly i really hope this is not islamist terrorism. That question will define Norwegian politics and society for decades to come.

This is the worst day in my country's history since April 9th 1940.

[Broderick]

124. My thoughts are with the Norwegian people.

Horrific to target children for any political or religious cause, whatever the outcome on who is responsible. I know an Islamic group is taking credit, but that may just be bandwagon jumping.

[CJvR]

127. Fakes...

...probably, there are always idiots that pops up when something like this happens.

You wouldn't go online to write such requests while being stalked by a homicidal maniac, you would just turn off or throw away the phone.

[Lars77]

130. This one is not fake

[Lars77]

109. Unconfirmed witness: 25-30 dead at site of shooting nt

[Yon_Yonson]

136. UK Mail Online reports "More than 30 dead in double terrorist attack in Norway"

More than 30 dead in double terrorist attack in Norway as car bomb blast hits government office block and 'blonde Norwegian' man opens fire at youth summer camp

1.30pm: Massive car bomb explosion kills at least seven in Oslo

3.30pm: Between 25 and 30 dead as man disguised as police officer opens fire on island youth meeting Norwegian prime minister was due to attend
Eyewitnesses say bodies floating in the sea around the island

Man arrested on the island was 6ft tall, had blonde hair and spoke Norwegian

Police fear explosives may have been laid at camp

Unknown group called 'Helpers of the Global Jihad' said to have posted message saying this is reaction to publication of Muhammed cartoons
Islands residents told not to reveal their location on Twitter or Facebook
British Foreign Minister William Hague condemns 'horrific' attack
Oslo Mayor: 'Wish I were on island to be shot instead of children'

By Mail Foreign Service

Last updated at 7:48 PM on 22nd July 2011


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017709/More-30-dead-double-terrorist-attack-Norway-car-bomb-blast-hits-government-office-block-man-opens-youth-summer-camp.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

[buckrogers1965]

113. Hoping this is treated as a crime

And is not treated as a politically expedient way to ram patriot act style right wing crap down the citizens throats.

[Ghost Dog]

135. Careful.

This type of US-referential comment might get censored here too.

[Lars77]

114. Norwegian Govt suspends schengen agreement, enforce border controls for all citizens nt

[Ghost Dog]

138. This is correct action to take,

and is entirely within the terms of the Schengen agreement in "exceptional circumstances".

[Lars77]

115. Royal family, members of government secured nt

[Lars77]

116. Oslo mayor: "We cannot let fear win, dictate how we shape our society"

[Lars77]

120. Norwegian PM was supposed to attend youth party convention tomorrow nt

[hifiguy]

122. As of 40 minutes ago, the BBC report I heard

was that a gunman had been arrested and was described as being white and blonde.

I suggest everyone cool their jets about placing blame until the whos whys and wherefores are actually known.

[Broderick]

129. Reports there are more shooters

And children are hiding, don't know who to trust. I hope it all ends soon.

[CJvR]

132. Well...

...considering that the shooter was dressed as a police officer having the SWAT team drop in might not be particulary reassuring to anyone hiding. I sure as hell wouldn't be in a hurry to stick my head up a check if it is a good cop or a sociopathic psyco killer.

[JDPriestly]

131. This is very sad, very sad indeed.

[Lars77]

134. All trains to and from Oslo airport are stopped, suspicious object found near the rails nt

[Lars77]

137. People with blood type o living near the camp are asked to give blood. nt

[brooklynite]

143. Oslo Explosion: One of Two Blasts Result of Massive Vehicle Bomb, Sources Say

Source: ABC

At least one of two explosions that rocked a Norwegian government building in Oslo today was result of a massive vehicle bomb, according to U.S. government sources on the scene.

The tangled wreckage of a vehicle was seen near the Norwegian government building that was targeted in the blast, officials said. It was not clear if the car was a bomb vehicle or near the site of a blast. At least one explosion was the result of a massive vehicle bomb, U.S. government sources said.

Norwegian news reported at least two people were killed and several more were injured.

"It felt very big. It shook the whole building," Norwegian government official Anders Lande said. "There was lots of glass. As I was evacuated, I saw several people injured."

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/oslo-explosion-blast-result-massive-vehicle-bomb-sources/story?id=14134197

[Hell Hath No Fury]

144. And there was an attack on -

a youth camp outside Oslo. What the hell is goig on there???

[brooklynite]

147. Possibly an assasination attempt on the PM...

...who was supposed to be at the camp today.

[aquart]

145. Oslo? Who's mad at the Norwegians?

[slackmaster]

148. All three theories I heard on NPR this morning involved Islamist militants

Here's the Guardian's latest:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/22/oslo-bomb-suspicion-islamist-militants

[brooklynite]

149. Reportedly a radical Iraqi cleric was facing deportation...

[aquart]

160. Well, this will certainly make him popular.

[Bok_Tukalo]

158. Perhaps terrorists or states allied with Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi

He has shown in the past he is not averse to the use of terrorism and the lesson of Spain and Iraq might not be lost on some.

[Lars77]

146. Labour party convention under attack by gunman dressed as police right now

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4930766&mesg_id=4930766

[Ian David]

150. There are separate unconfirmed reports that a gunman has attacked a Labour youth camp outside Oslo

There are separate unconfirmed reports that a gunman has attacked a Labour youth camp outside Oslo

Unconfirmed reports say Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg had been due to attend the camp


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14254705

[iwishiwas]

154. says 5 people hurt at the camp

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14254705

[iwishiwas]

151. Looking at the damage in the street, I am surprised that

only 2 were killed. Whow. Best to all in Norway.

[CJvR]

172. Unfortunately it's 7 + 10.

7 in the bomb blast + 14 injured ( 2 badly )
At least 10 in the camp, perhaps more.

[iwishiwas]

152. The top side of this building looks blow out....

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/slideshow/oslo-explosion-slideshow-14134739

[HopeHoops]

153. We need to get the TSA to conduct full-body scans and cavity searches of anyone getting into a car.

That's meant as a joke, but only partly.

[jwirr]

155. Shhhh! Agent Andy will be suggesting this and next thing it will be

happening.

Seriously - there is a terrorist attack in Norway and our US MSM is ignoring it? or just haven't heard yet? I am ashamed of the lot of them.

[Dept of Beer]

157. They already have them

[Lars77]

156. Mods, can this be merged with the other thread? nt

[hifiguy]

159. Latest report - via Twitter - on the camp gunman

heard on the BBC is that the guy was white and blonde. Just heard on NPR as I came in to my office. Apparently he is under arrest.

[Botany]

161. Blasts Followed by Gun Attack in Norway

Source: NY Times

Blasts Followed by Gun Attack in Norway
By ELISA MALA and J. DAVID GOODMAN
Published: July 22, 2011


OSLO — Powerful explosions shook central Oslo on Friday afternoon, blowing out the windows of several government buildings, including one housing
the office of the Norwegian prime minister. The state television broadcaster, citing police, said seven people were killed and at least 15 injured; a
spokeswoman for the prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg, said he was “safe and not hurt.”


A loud explosion shattered windows Friday at the government headquarters in Oslo which includes the prime minister's office, injuring several people.
Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg is safe, government spokeswoman Camilla Ryste told The Associated Press.

Shortly after the explosions, which appeared to be a bomb attack, a man dressed as a police officer opened fire on a summer camp for young members
of the ruling Labour Party on the island of Utoya in the Oslo fjord, about 25 miles from the city, and wounded at least five, a Norwegian security official said.

“The situation’s gone from bad to worse,” said Runar Kvernen, spokesman for the National Police Directorate under the Ministry of Justice and Police, adding
that most of the children at the camp were between 15 and 16 years-old. There were initial reports that Prime Minister Stoltenberg was scheduled to attend
a meeting at the camp.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?_r=1

---

:cry:

Best wishes to all of Norway.

[iwishiwas]

162. also see this Norway blog...

http://mylittlenorway.com/2011/07/shooter-on-rampage/

[Doctor Hurt]

163. shooting children? fucking cowards.

assholes

[Broderick]

165. +1

[oldironside]

168. Surely they're,...

... big brave warriors for God, earning their 72 virgins.

[Lars77]

164. follow updates here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4930766&mesg_id=4930766

[freshwest]

166. Oh no! I hate this! I've got to message my friends there.

[banned from Kos]

167. CNBC just reported the gunman wore a police uniform and there

are 20 bodies on the ground. The gunman was apprehended.

(live network report)

I hope they are wrong - anyone would.



http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1028828--unconfirmed-reports-of-20-to-25-bodies-at-norway-youth-camp-seven-dead-in-oslo-bombing?bn=1


"A man arrested after opening fire at a youth camp in Norway is linked to the bombing in Oslo earlier in the day Friday, police say.

An eyewitness told Norwegian broadcaster NRK that he saw as many as 25 bodies at the youth camp where a gunman dressed in a police uniform opened fire following a massive bomb blast in downtown Oslo.

Andre Scheie says he saw bodies on the shore of the Utoya island where the youth wing of the Labour Party was holding a summer camp for hundreds of youths.

“There are very many dead by the shore . . . there are about 20 to 25 dead.” He also said he saw dead people in the water."

[harvey007]

177. I stand with the people of Norway

The culprits responsible for these heinous acts must be brought to justice.

There is no excuse or justification for this type of indiscriminate violence.

The NY Times reported that a terrorist organization, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, has claimed responsibility for the bombing in Oslo today.

One of their justifications was the fact that Norwegian newspapers reprinted Danish cartoons that lampooned Muhammad.

For those not familiar with this controversy, please read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

http://vladtepesblog.com/?cat=409

[Lars77]

180. They might just be jumping on the wagon

The shooter was Norwegian ethnic.

[Lars77]

169. Police say the shooter is connected to the bomb nt

[Lars77]

171. At least 10 confirmed dead at the Labour youth convention nt

[and-justice-for-all]

173. Who is fucking with Norway and why??nt

[Lars77]

175. Norwegian newspaper with English article:

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10080597

[Lars77]

183. Police suspect this is DOMESTIC TERRORISM

aimed at the Norweigan political system.

It's still early but they seem to know who this guy is or what he's about.


Meanwhile, jihadists are tripping over themselves claiming responsibility.

[Lars77]

184. Message from PM to attackers:

"We are a small, but proud nation. You will not destroy us, and you will not bomb us to silence. You will not shoot us to silence. No-one will ever scare us from being Norway. This evening and night we will take care of each other, comfort each other and talk to each other. Tomorrow we will show the world that the Norwegian democracy will be stronger when it counts. "

"Our answer to the attacks is even more democracy"

[pampango]

185. "Our answer to the attacks is even more democracy" -What a wonderful response to

terrorism.

[PotatoChip]

187. Wow. Just wow.

Thank you Lars for keeping us updated and filling in the gaps w/details that would be hard to find in any of these articles.

My thoughts go out to the people of Norway.

[Lars77]

191. PotatoChip

Thank you, i live abroad myself so im glued to the news. Looks like domestic terrorism actually.

[PotatoChip]

194. Nonetheless, your contributions to this story have been invaluable.

You have my gratitude.

My thoughts are with all of the victims and their families, regardless of who unleashed this horror upon innocent people.

[Lars77]

197. Thank you PotatoChip

[PoliticAverse]

186. (self delete)

[muriel_volestrangler]

188. (self delete too)

:)

[uppityperson]

189. fuck about the whole thing. k&r

[Lars77]

190. PM: "More political transparency and openness is important to combat terrorism"

[Lars77]

196. Things are calming down now, it's midtnight here. Will post more if something happens.

[Broderick]

201. Thanks for the updates

and the information.

[pettypace]

198. Religion of peace strikes again

So sick of this ish.

[Broderick]

199. I don't know, nor is it confirmed

that this has anything to do with Religion. Might be more a political thing, or a simple delusional character with a well thought out plan of terror.

To be determined.

[steaa]

206. AP reporting not Islamist related.

nt

[jberryhill]

224. Christianity?

Jump to conclusions much?

[Arrowhead2k1]

202. All the bigots can go suck a lemon now.

The guy is a blonde, nordic, Norwegian. He specifically targeted a left leaning party, and is probably a rabid reich-winger just like all the other bozos leaving prejudiced comments... :eyes:

[slackmaster]

203. Do the demographics or rationalizations of a madman really matter in the long run?

I say they don't.

[sudopod]

205. lol. nt

[jberryhill]

222. Then why did you bring up the "religion of peace" thing several posts back?

Didn't work out the way you hoped, eh?

It mattered to you at Post #50 in this thread right here:

slackmaster
Fri Jul-22-11 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #17
50. I heard three theories on NPR this morning. All three involved the Religion of Peace.

-------

So it "matters" if the shooter was Muslim, but doesn't matter if the shooter wasn't?

Fascinating.

[slackmaster]

229. If you read my posts carefully, you will see that I was passing on the speculation of other people

Specifically major news organizations and Norwegian government officials.

So it "matters" if the shooter was Muslim...

I said no such thing. Crazy is crazy no matter what justification is used.

I must say I am shocked that terrorist acts of such magnitude could be carried out by a single person rather than an organization. (It appears at this time that he acted alone, which of course may not be true.)

[jberryhill]

232. Oh, I see

And on this NPR report you were relating, they used the phrase "religion of peace"?

I usually see that kind of thing when someone is using the actions of one Muslim to suggest that all billion of them are prone to violence, as a form of sarcastic commentary.

I'm surprised NPR does that sort of thing.

But, still, if the shooter's background doesn't matter when he's Christian, then why pass it along when you hear a mistaken report he is Muslim.

[slackmaster]

234. Rather than being an adherent of the ROP, the shooter is a devotee of the Zombie Religion

Does that make you feel better?

I hold all nutcases in equal contempt regardless of their political or religious views.

I'm in good company among people who initially assumed the acts were the result of Muslim militancy. The Muslim militants have brought that mindset on themselves.

WHY WON'T PEOPLE LEAVE AL-QAEDA ALONE!

[Lars77]

204. Police are searching the waters off the island where the youth camp/convetion was

Kids are still missing. The gunman must have shot people trying to swim away.

At midnight heavily armed cops entered the mans apartment in Oslo.

[Lars77]

207. Breaking: Police says attack "does not seem connected" to Islamic terrorism

[Lars77]

208. Named: The blond Norwegian, 32, arrested over 'holiday island massacre' and linked to Oslo bomb blas

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002651290254


His facebook profile:
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002651290254

[Lars77]

209. Anonymous police source says he worked alone

”He says the suspect appears to have acted alone, and "it seems like that this is not linked to any international terrorist organizations at all." He added that the investigation is still ongoing and that things can change.
The official was speaking on condition of anonymity because that information has not yet been released by Norway's police.”

I guess we just got our own Timothy McVeigh. :(

[muriel_volestrangler]

210. Thanks for the updates, Lars77

If he was working alone, it's horrific how much carnage one man can do. How he got an automatic weapon will be interesting, as will the type of explosives used.

[Lars77]

212. He ran a geofarming company of some sorts.

Would explain how he could obtain explosives. As for the automatic weapon i havent heard any more about that. Some say he had a handgun and a scoped rifle.

[muriel_volestrangler]

216. "the cultivation of vegetables, melons, roots and tubers"

"Breivik Geofarm is a company in Oslo. Breivik Geofarm engaged in the cultivation of vegetables, melons, roots and tubers."
(automatic translation from http://www.gulindex.no/o/Breivik_Geofarm/994089269)

It certainly gives him access to lots of fertiliser.

For the weapon, CNN says it was a handgun, but:

The acting national police chief, Sveinung Sponheim, told reporters in Oslo that the gun was an automatic weapon and that undetonated explosives were found on the island after the attack.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/22/norway.explosion/

[Lars77]

211. He's also a freemason

[slackmaster]

213. Now you've done it, Lars77.

:hide:

[Lars77]

214. I'm just stating a fact. nt

[Lars77]

218. Police: At least 80 (!) victims found at the island!

[Judi Lynn]

226. BBC: Norway Terror Attacks Toll Upped to 87: Norwegian Man Arrested

Norway Terror Attacks Toll Upped to 87: Norwegian Man Arrested
By BRIAN ROSS (@brianross) , MARK SCHONE, JOSH HASKELL and ROBIN RESPAUT
July 22, 2011

~snip~
With the arrest of a lone Norwegian in the twin bomb and shooting attacks today, officials have all but ruled out any connection to international terrorism.

"We have one person in custody and he will be charged in connection with what has happened," said Justice Minister Knut Storberget during a Friday evening press conference. "We know that he is Norwegian. That is what we know. I don't think it's right from my position to go into details about him."

TV2, Norway's largest broadcaster, later identified the suspect as Anders Behring Breivik, 32, describing him as a member of "right-wing extremist groups in eastern Norway." Norwegian police would not confirm the identity of the suspect.

More:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/oslo-norway-terror-attacks-toll-upped-87-norwegian/story?id=14135844

[buckrogers1965]

221. Looks like everyone that blamed the wrong people...

On this board and on TV news and talk shows owes a lot of people a lot of apologies.

* Listens to the crickets chirping. *

[Judi Lynn]

227. Norway Suspect Visited Fundamentalist Websites

Norway Suspect Visited Fundamentalist Websites
By KARL RITTER and NILS MYKLEBOST Associated Press
OSLO, Norway July 23, 2011 (AP)

A police official says the man suspected of carrying out a bombing and shooting massacre in Norway posted on websites with Christian fundamentalist tendencies.

Roger Andresen did not describe the websites in any more details. He was speaking to reporters in Oslo.

At least 84 people were killed when a gunman opened fire on an island outside Oslo. That followed a bombing in the capital that killed seven. One man is suspected in both.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=14140953

[6000eliot]

228. Wait a minute.

I thought only brown, Muslim people could be terrorists.

[CJvR]

230. Really?

ETA, IRA, RAF & BR just to mention a few - forgotten about those?

[6000eliot]

231. Did I really need the sarcasm icon?