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Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 11:14 PM by defendandprotect
Biden has been calling for more than a year now for Israel to attack Iran!
Biden says "Israel would be JUSTIFIED in attacking Iran" -- !!
Further, it looks more to me like in arming RW Israel, Nixon gained a foothold for US
in ME to create mayhem and war -- and it worked.
I've read we also store nuclear weapons there --
How much of peace loving Israel is left -- and how much of Israel is now US/CIA/MIC -- ?
Evidently, US and Israeli weapons production are so intertwined you almost can't see any
difference between them.
. . . . but re your comments --
Yes, there were several reports of a foiled transport of WMDs in Iraq. One was that a group secretly transporting nukes TO Iran (from Iraq) suffered radiation burns. Another was that such a group got hit with "friendly fire." And another was that there were illicit WMDs in falsely (Red Cross) marked boxes at the port in Basra (controlled by the British). Of course these reports were not followed up on by the corpo-fascist, warmongering media and they slipped into oblivion--impossible to authenticate, then and now. But the events of July '03--the Plame/B-J outings and Kelly's murder--point to the good possibility that some such thing occurred, possibly more than once.
Close to what I heard -- and you have to recognize that US "enemies" like Russia and Iran
have to be constantly watching to see that US/CIA isn't playing another "false flag" operation
to blame on them.
That was why Russia after a year of warning the US of a coming terrorist attack and being met
by Operation Ignore from Bush administration and our intelligence services -- went to the
United Nations Security Council just before 9/11 to give them their info which included names
of pilots. United Nations then sent their own representatives to the White House and to our
intelligence agencies to WARN them -- this was August 2001!
With our highly secretive government--and especially with the Democratic leadership covering up for the Bushwhacks--it's very difficult to know anything like this for sure. Also, Plame is CIA and thus pledged to secrecy for life. This may be one reason why she isn't dead and Kelly is. He may have been a B-J contact and there is some evidence that he may have had a USN intel handler, but he was a known whistleblower; thus, if he even just knew about the WMD Iraq/Iran plot, he would be a great danger to Bushites/Blairites, even if he had nothing to do with foiling their plan. (He told a friend, at one point, that, during the "safe house" interrogation, he had told them that he "was not about to divulge" any "big government secrets" (or some such wording)). And, when Tony Blair was informed about the interrogation (on 7/7/03 (the day after Wilson's op-ed appeared), he was told that, if they forced Kelly to testify before the Parliamentary defense committee, he "could say some uncomfortable things." Could say. Not had said. I think that was a British understatement ("uncomfortable things") and that he knew something more, that they were very worried about. What could that be? And what could have prompted this insider guy, who supported the Iraq war, to whistleblow in late May 03, several months after the invasion? I don't think it was just his unease, as a scientist, about having signed off on the pack of lies in the 'Dodgy Dossier.' And certainly his ending up dead--in those ludicrously smelly circumstances--points to a far greater danger to them than his exposure of their lies about WMDs in Iraq, after the fact.
Plame/Wilson may have thought that his Letter to the NY Times would stop the administration.
After her team was hit -- and I don't know how big a hit that was or if they've ever revealed it --
I'm sure she understood it was too dangerous to try anything further. I do recall that they were
under severe threat -- and were moving out of the country at one point. Tho I think they returned?
Actually, I think they may have still had hope of pulling off the Iraq/Iran WMD plot (expanding the war) in July '03. As I said, they didn't give up the goal of invading Iran until late 2006. This would illuminate their fury at Plame and Kelly even more--and reckless, risky actions like outing CIA agents and assassinating insider white guys--that the plot was still active.
Think we are dealing with different degrees of fanatacism/fascism at play in government and CIA --
but Sy Hersh about two months ago in an interview with Amy Goodman said that much of the
structure that Cheney put in place is still standing!
Just as an aside and something to think about -- Murdock's players seem to have also been
hacking military phones -- and all of this seems to have been going on a long time!
I also think it's possible the Bush/Blair criminals may have been so furious that they were acting in a scattershot fashion. They couldn't pinpoint who was foiling them, so they outed everybody--the entire Brewster-Jennings worldwide project. That second bigger outing (also by Novak) may be an important clue to their motives and to the real situation. If it had just been Wilson's op-ed (which was limited to the Niger forgeries), why out and endanger everybody in the world who was cooperating with the CIA on counter-proliferation?
Don't know how deeply Blair was involved in the mechanics of this -- but if you saw my OP on
Prince Andrew the other day you see he is referring to "The Great Game" --
Nonethless, the major insanity and pushing seems to come from US -- where I would guess the
full force of the MIC is behind it --
There seems to still be a sane part of the military -- which is being dismissed.
In 2002 or 2004, the Pentagon sent a Secret Memo to Bush telling him that Global Warming was
a greater threat to the US than "terrorism" -- and that among the many increasing chaotic events
which would also be increasing in severity -- was earthquakes!
A few weeks ago, whatever that bloc is -- large or small - tried again --
But -- once Wilson tried to stop them, they understood immediately that Plame was the threat --
and anyone connected to her who may know about their attempts to plant WMD.
There are other theories--and perhaps multiple motives--as to the Bushwhacks. For instance, the CIA's counter-proliferation project may have been interfering with Cheney illicit arms dealing around the world. Clearly, Cheney/Rumsfeld were very hostile to the CIA and Rumsfeld was trying to get around them by setting up his own intel shop--his "Office of Special Plans." The fundamental conflict may have been that people like Plame saw their job as preventing war, not manufacturing it. (True also of Kelly.) But I'm pretty sure--though Cheney arms dealing and other motives may have come into it--that something very specific prompted the outings and Kelly's murder, and my best guess, for that moment in time (July '03), is the Iraq/Iran WMD plot--whether their actions were retaliation for their plot having been foiled or their trying to eliminate whoever was foiling them, so they could go ahead with their plot (expanding the war to Iran).
What I know of the arms deals isn't very much -- except that lots of rumors of that re Poppy Bush
and China -- Eagleburger, Kissinger -- etal.
In July '03, they had achieved their apparent goal. Iraq was prostrate--hundreds of thousands of innocent people dead from the "shock and awe" bombing, and Bushwhacks now in control of the country and its oil. Why would they bother to object to Wilson's op-ed or Kelly's anonymous grievances about the "sexed up" WMD intel--or take such drastic actions as CIA outings and assassination? Something MORE was going on--something specific--not just a general P.R. problem/suppressing dissent.
Think it was because behind Wilson was Plame -- and they were showing concern and had the info.
While Bush/Cheney had coverage of the corporate-press, truth is their enemy -- and they know it.
They have a house of cards to hold together, always. Look at the Downing Street Memo -- how
specific and yet how little was done about it, especially here in US.
United Nations was obviously against all of this -- and for inspections/diplomacy -- called
America a "terrorist" nation. Iraq an "illegal war" -- don't think Bush/Cheney wanted too many
of those singers to lump into one choir. They were always working to put the huge anti-war
movement to sleep - not wake it up. But, obviously, as you can see, this is amateur guessing
on my part and I have no real info.
Btw -- I'm copying this mainly for my JOURNAL --
As it turns out, Cheney/Rumsfeld's persistence about invading Iran may have been their undoing. I think Daddy Bush thought it was very unwise. The military brass were balking. The CIA had balked. China and Russia may have been threatening to come into it, on Iran's side. And with those nuke powers involved, nukes in Pakistan, nukes in India, nukes in Israel--the situation was truly a tinder box that could well have resulted in Armageddon. Bush Sr formed his "Iraq Study Group" and soon Rumsfeld was out. (Cheney was issued a warning, with the Libby prosecution, and was curtailed in the final two years.) Leon Panetta (a member of Bush Sr's ISG) was then brought in, as CIA Director, to end the war between the Pentagon and the CIA that Cheney/Rumsfeld had started. He's apparently done the CIA side of it, and now he's been moved to the Pentagon to do the same thing--end this internal war. Internal wars among powerful parties are very bad for empires. His other job may be to cover up Bush Junta crimes (esp. as to keeping Jr out of jail , which means protecting his manipulators and handlers as well--with Cheney and Rumsfeld at the top of the list.) It is certainly a good thing that Armageddon was prevented--if that's what happened--but the rest is not good. Indeed, it's very bad. The American people have become completely irrelevant to our government and are regarded as an amorphous mass of yahoos to be manipulated with mechanisms like the corporate-controlled 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines. Such appalling, blatant control measures!--however, they do indicate that we are not, in truth, amorphous yahoos, but a danger to our corporate rulers and war profiteers--if we ever get ourselves together, as a democracy, again. They wouldn't need all this secrecy and manipulation if we were not, on the whole, a peace-minded, progressive people.
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A lot of testosterone in that administration -- bullies -- belief in violence --
Think Poppy understands you can get overextended and lose cover --
while the big push comes from those who want to strike while they can -- shock and awe --
and I think these are the suicidal edge of the RW.
Cheney's war was on the lower echelon of the CIA - those actually gathering and analyzing
the info -- Tenet was protecting Cheney's bullying of them. Was present during much of it.
Evidently, Cheney was appearing at the CIA frequently --
Panetta is certainly CIA, but who knows all he's involved with -- wouldn't take for granted
that he nor any of them have given up on Iran. Look at Obama -- these wars should be over.
but we're headed into the second decade with them -- We're paying $1,000 a gallon for
gasoline in Afghanistan to KBR which would keep our helicopters in air for about a minute --
Pentagon can't account for funds -- $2.3 trillion --
and $18 or $23 billion in cash lost in Iraq --
and there's an article up at Common Dreams right now which says we're not going to be permitted
to investigate our mercenary troops in ME!! Will try to post that one later.
Agree re computers and stolen elections --
and as Americans come to recognize corporate control over our government and the need to
overturn all of Congress --
they may yet have to come to realize that corporations are nothing without protection of
MIC/CIA --
CIA destroyed the Carter administration, imo --
Some say Bush was president after the attack on Reagan --
Poppy Bush might have been our first CIA president -- ?
Bush/Cheney had very close ties -- though their manipulation of CIA seems to turn
the tables on the way I think of this control going -- with Cheney perhaps representing
the civilian elite control over it?
Elites/CIA will be back to claim the presidency -- imo --
Was late catching up with this -- :)
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