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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:44 PM
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George W. Bush Should Be Prosecuted Over Torture, Says Human Rights Watch
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 11:47 PM by Hissyspit
Source: Guardian UK

George W Bush should be prosecuted over torture, says human rights group

Human Rights Watch claims Obama administration 'failing to act on evidence', and also names Cheney and Rumsfeld in report


Chris McGreal in Washington
The Guardian
Tuesday 12 July 2011

George W Bush, whose administration is accused by Human Rights Watch of authorizing use of torture. Photograph: Christopher Furlong/Getty Images
A US human rights group has called on foreign governments to prosecute George W Bush and some of his senior officials for war crimes if the Obama administration fails to investigate a growing body of evidence against the former president over the use of torture.

The New York-based Human Rights Watch said in a report released on Tuesday that the US authorities are legally obliged to investigate the top echelons of the Bush administration over crimes such as torture, abduction and other mistreatment of prisoners. It says that the former administration's legal team was part of the conspiracy in preparing opinions authorising abuses that they knew to have no standing in US or international law.

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The group says that the investigation and prosecutions are required "if the US hopes to wipe away the stain of Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo and reaffirm the primacy of the rule of law".

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The report described Cheney as "the driving force behind the establishment of illegal detention policies and the formulation of legal justifications for those policies" including torture. Rumsfeld is said to have "approved illegal interrogation methods that facilitated the use of torture by US military personnel in Afghanistan and Iraq", and Tenet "oversaw the CIA's use of waterboarding", and that the agency also "disappeared" detainees by holding them in incommunicado detention in secret locations.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/12/george-w-bush-torture
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:56 PM
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1. Yes, he should.
Alas...Between those who would protect war criminals and those who are complicit and those just too craven...sigh.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:03 AM
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3. those who protect war criminals are criminals as well..nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:43 AM
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21. I agree. No different than hiding a murderer...which is a crime.
Or trying to cover up a crime by lying about it...on the assumption that protecting war criminals involves lying about the crimes committed. (which I think it does)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:38 PM
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22. You are correct.
The US is bound by several international treaties to investigate and prosecute possible War Crimes.
"Looking Forward" is NOT an option.




Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.


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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:03 PM
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25. Alas, being a forward looking nation, this task must be left to other nations who will
possibly face the full wrath of a superpower not reluctant to exert its global hegemony with impunity whenever ired. :patriot:
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:20 AM
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10. Truth be told.
- Amen.

K&R

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:41 AM
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20. May I steal that picture?
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:29 PM
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23. Yes you may!
- And I throw this one in as a freebie!

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:43 PM
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31. lol!
Thanks!!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:22 AM
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12. Failure to prosecute violates a treaty to which the U.S. is a party.
And treaties are part of the Supreme law of the land, per the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:41 AM
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19. Oh, I don't much think the US cares about that.
If treaties and laws mattered - there would have been no systemic torture. (and prosecutions would have already been in motion..and Bush/Cheney would have been impeached)


You well know I support prosecutions...regardless of who falls. I just know my government - and that would be the whole government - doesn't care
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:59 PM
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2. Yes...nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:14 AM
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4. Yes! n/t
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:15 AM
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5. We need to bust a pot head and forgive murdering war criminals.
There are no patriots left in Washington. Only enablers.
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Cereal Kyller Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:15 AM
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6. I see "Greatest Threads" in this post's future
;-)
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:17 AM
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7.  Rich vs Poor
if G.W.Bush was the son of a poor or middle class father and mother he would have been indicted two years ago.Wealthy criminals never go to jail,they go into retirement with all that stolen loot and their blood stained hands.Justice in America a cruel joke.
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:44 AM
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8. HRW: don't relegate the dead - Iraqis & US troops - to the background, ever.
these filthy bush-league swine, and their groupies, should never be allowed to forget their greatest crimes - even if they never get called on their sins, thanks to the current, forward-looking administration.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:54 AM
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9. These are the really bad apples.
If they are not made an example of, others will follow in their footsteps.

WTH is wrong with the US justice system? Too many complicit, and prosecuting them would bring down the whole system? Like the Iran-Contra thang? Who is making these calls for the Justice Dept selective actions?
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Islandlife Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:19 AM
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11. Which Human Rights Group and in which court?
I can imagine the list of foreign governments willing to join in this prosecution.
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Cereal Kyller Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:39 AM
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13. K
R'd already.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:47 AM
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14. Our Government
Just like the Mafia, only more prolific.

All our institutions have been overcome with greedy sociopaths.

Corrupt to the very core with no checks or balances left in working order.

-90% Jimmy
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:03 AM
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15. yeah, whatever.
:eyes:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 05:48 AM
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16. Smirk. Strut. Yeww cain't touch me, neener, neener!
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_ed_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:12 AM
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17. Sorry, Obama's too busy locking up whistleblowers
and med. marijuana distributors. No time for torturers -- must look forward, not back (unless your name is Manning).
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:43 AM
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18. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:23 PM
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24. kr
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:22 PM
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26. Pres Obama isnt making the call. There is a higher power.
the revolution is waiting.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:48 PM
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27. Obama will not set a precedent that puts him in the adjacent cell. nt
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:55 PM
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28. Yeah, well, can't spend all our time looking back, gotta Look Forward(tm)... N/T
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StarburstClock Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:09 PM
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29. Thanks for posting it
Although I have no faith in the U.S. shell govt anymore to hold anyone accountable for anything.
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Synicus Maximus Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:27 PM
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30. Nice thought but ain't going to happen
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:07 PM
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32. kick nt
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:12 PM
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33. kick n/t
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