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Cereal Kyller (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:30 PM Original message |
Texas governor defends Mexican's execution |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. WE are either a country of LAWS or we are not |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. We're supposed to be |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 12:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. We are, and that's why he was executed |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. That is the issue - we never passed legislation to make this treaty US law |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. A treaty that is ratified becomes the law of the land, the Constitution says so. Perry broke the law |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. The Supreme Court would disagree with you |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. The SCOTUS does NOT trump what the Constitutions SAYS. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. The SC interprets the Constitution |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Where does the SCOTUS get the authority to "interpret' the Constitution? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Through 200 years of tradition and actually doing it. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. this is not an argument you can win. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. So how do you plan to stop them from doing it? nt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Marbury v. Madison. nt |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #47 |
71. True, however, the treaty obligated the Fed to act, and it didn't. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Texas has rights the Federal government cannot infringe upon |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
73. True, but Texas didn't violate any law. Congress hasn't passed it yet. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. What's one more broken treaty, right? |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. I wanted to ask a question |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
58. Yes, he would have been breaking the law. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
76. It would have been an impeachable offense |
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laser_red (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. that stuff does not apply in Texas |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 12:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
19. we have broken every treaty... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
37. It is not binding domestic law |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
68. The question is... |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. When an American is arrested for any offense overseas and isn't allowed access to their embassy |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. He and his lawyers |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. And I don't expect to see/hear from you either nt |
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juxtaposed (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
21. he never knew about it, he never knew he could deal with his country and his |
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greiner3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 07:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Leave it to a Christian; |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
54. Not wise to male ass- |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
33. Arrested and given a fair trial at their expense |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
38. If they get a fair trial like this guy did, I won't complain. nt |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. Dragons are good at flames |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. When I go abroad and KILL someone, all bets are off. nt |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. It does not even have to be that severe |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. when you carry liquor filled candy into Saudi Arabia |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I would refer you to posts #13 and #14 |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 06:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
26. Well stated |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. Actually, in most countries, you still have access to the US Consulate |
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Cereal Kyller (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
6. Read the link |
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madville (743 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. He admitted his guilt |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. I question your last point |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
53. One good reason is the Supreme Court has said it is not self executing |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. Actually, there are some questions as to what Medellin really means |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-11 06:23 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. The SC specifically addressed it when they rejected the Government's request for a stay of execution |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-11 07:34 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. This segment talks only about |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. How can it be self-executing if it requires enabling legislation to become binding law? nt |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. It doesn't |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Are you sure of that? |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. His last words were telling |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
34. You insist on keeping missing the point. There is no question |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. I'm not missing the point - well |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. So what? Either he's a Mexican or he's not. My understanding |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. What the US did followed US law. |
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vrp (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
13. And sorry to you |
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Lordquinton (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 05:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Let's remember this and hammer Perry on foreign policy |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
60. Texas actually has a decent record. |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
17. Wash. Post: Mexican national’s execution in U.S. prompts diplomatic disappointment |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
23. So glad we have what we need to send Rick to his destiny in a Hague prison cell. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
24. Translation of Cesinger's remarks: That's the way we do it here |
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Harry Callahan (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
28. I'll imagine it was a really tough sell... |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Who said anything about letting the guy go? Please list all sources. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Deleted message |
ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 08:43 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Because he is covered under an international treaty to which the US is a party. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. It is not that simple |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. It is that simple. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Totally irrelevant |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. So you do only bother to disagree with them when it doesn't involve execution. n/t |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I am saying it is irrelevant whether I agree or disagree with them |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
51. Read post # 14 in this thread. It may be that no enabling law |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Read post # 37 - this very issue has been addressed by the SC. nt |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. And Congress, on clear notice of the need to enact supporting legislation since 2008 |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
61. Read that again. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Do you feel lucky, punk? |
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The Blue Flower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
40. Not an either/or |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
62. Texas did follow the law, as interpreted by the judicial branch. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
42. If in fact he did it |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. He confessed. -nt |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
55. I am so shocked he is defending this... |
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t0dd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
57. Love the moral absolutists here.. |
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dembotoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
66. one of the cable channels has a tv show about being caught up |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
70. There's a bigger issue than leniency. |
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Nossida (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
74. Jeez |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-11 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
79. There was a day when Liberals were against Capital Punishment |
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80. DU has been infested at times. Hope to see it cleansed one day. |
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