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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 10:22 PM Original message |
Sen. Whitehouse to Introduce Resolution: Cuts to Soc. Security & Medicare Should Be Off Table |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. From Rep. James Clyburn |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. It's always been on the table. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Forgive me. I don't have your grasp of history. When did Democrats put it on the table in the past? |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. Since Obama created the catfood commission....nt |
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Kall (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 01:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Seems illogical to me |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 02:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Excellent post, Kall |
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SusanaMontana41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
89. I agree heartily. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
39. it will work out just like the continuation of the bush* tax cuts... |
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A wise Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
42. Look i agree that Obama is not perfect.... |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Well you may think yourself wise |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #42 |
76. Bush isn't President. We have a history of criticizing him. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #76 |
90. Well done. nt |
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Liberalynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
80. No one is arguing Obama caused the meltdown. |
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The Big Vetolski (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
86. Bush did not betray the Democrats. Obama did. That is the |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 02:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. means testing would make it welfare and therefore easier to kill since every freeper thinks they're |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Besides, some of the people who are older and now receiving |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:38 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. it's another form of default but the wars will go on. nt |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
66. It's another form of default but the wars will go on. nt |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:40 AM Response to Reply #19 |
38. There is precedent in the Govt defaulting on its' contracts. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #38 |
58. Actually, a 1935 case says the government does have to fulfill its obligations. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
93. Text of Perry vs US, holds US MUST fulfil its obligations |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
92. Military benefits are NOTContractual |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 03:37 AM Response to Reply #38 |
99. True on the legal level, but on the moral level. the broken promises |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #19 |
47. !...well said. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #19 |
55. You neglect the fact that Social Security benefits are taxed. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 03:15 AM Response to Reply #55 |
98. Just raising the marginal rate on the wealthy would deal with the problem. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
65. If I pay into car insurance, and don't have an accident or a need to |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-11 03:14 AM Response to Reply #65 |
97. Right. You buy the insurance "just in case," not "hoping that." |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Means testing would make it massive fraud on a scale that would make banksters seem small time. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
56. And corporations and the govt don't engage in fraud on a daily basis already? nt |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
57. Best summary I've seen - thanks |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Thank you, and you're very welcome. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Sanity? Do you think everyone collects on every insurance policy they pay in? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
63. You do realize not everyone pays into SS, |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
88. Totally agree, but from different point of view |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Many freepers are on welfare. Blue states subsidize red states. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
61. I disagree. |
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roxiejules (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
70. But, WHY should it be on the table? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
71. No means testing. Anytime you have means testing the rigmarole one has to go through during the |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. It doesn't inevitably mean any such thing. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. People who don't want their benefits already have the ability to send it back to the federal |
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lordsummerisle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'd feel better |
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SugarShack (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. i like the idea of raising the cap.... |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. so do i. just think how much more would |
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ProfessionalLeftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. It should be removed completely. n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. Does the exact wording of a nonbinding resolution really matter all that much? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:47 AM Response to Reply #27 |
41. It's all kabuki theater. |
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PoliticAverse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. But no specific mention in the resolution about changes in the COLA formula or retirement age... |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. +1000 |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
20. Exactly. That jumped out at me immediately. |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
37. Those are the two easiest ways |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. This is all well & good but, I want to hear |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
60. Yep. THAT is the BINDING resolution Obama would have organized the Dems to pass at the beginning |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
8. As I said on another thread I am not going to complain |
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blkmusclmachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
10. Mere theatrics. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
29. "Sense of the Senate." Jumbo shrimp. |
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99th_Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
11. Hmm.. a very electable US Senator acting like a REAL Democrat with the last name of Whitehouse ~nt |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. we would be lucky to |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
13. K & R. Good for Senator Whitehouse! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
15. Thank you, Senator Whitehouse. |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. The more Obama speaks, the more I hear Hoover. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:21 AM Response to Original message |
23. Really, Senator Whitehouse? |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. the issues is: |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:41 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Of course. And by "Obama's vote" I mean veto. Meanwhile, I guess we're supposed to enjoy this show. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. we may not get bread.... |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Not crazy about the clowns, tho. n/t |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Actually, it is terrible circus, with doddering mediocre clowns |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. "If you can't something nice about anybody, |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 07:10 AM Response to Reply #43 |
96. seeing the entertainment factor at all |
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jerseyjack (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
33. Don't just sign the petition on the link. CALL YOUR SENATORS |
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Liberalynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
82. I have called mine |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
85. I e-mailed. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
34. I can think of plenty they could cut that involves the rich, not the middle class or needy nt |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
36. Since Social Security is part of the National debt, cutting it is ... |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
40. Without buy-in from the leading Democrat (WH resident), this will |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
44. Hey, that's what I said. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
46. Big loophole. What about reducing increases in future benefits via chained CPI or |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Isn't the nonbinding nature of this the big loophole? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #49 |
62. Good point. But submitting a resolution sounds good when you're out campaigning! |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
50. At least one Whitehouse cares about regular people. n/t |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. +100 |
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AbigailThomas (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
51. DID YOU KNOW SOCIAL SECURITY HAS A SURPLUS??.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
81. Social Security has a huge surplus -- more than $250 BILLION every year ... used as a slush fund ... |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
53. "should not" ...it better not or you will be voted out of office no matter what party you are in. |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
54. K&R |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
67. Text of my email to President Obama: |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
68. Now here is something that Obama will fight (against). (nt) |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
69. Does anyone have any idea is this even has a prayer of passing? |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. This has been pushed as a world economy crushing blow |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
73. Should also mention the millions of disabled people for whom SSDI/SSI is life or death. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. +1 -- |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
78. This should be an issue which should close down the party ... cause Dems to walk out -- |
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Liberalynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Its just one big Rethuglican Pary all around. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. More than past time to begin to round up this huge liberal voting bloc and decide what to do!! |
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femmedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. Or an issue which causes Dems to primary Obama. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 02:13 AM Response to Reply #87 |
95. Me, too -- !! .... |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
91. Sen Whitehouse is one of my favs - but I do not like this legislation... |
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classysassy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
94. Sen.Whitehouse |
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