Obama asks for patience with pace of economic recovery, says ‘it’s going to take time’

[alp227]

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama says people need to be patient about the economic recovery and that training workers for manufacturing jobs will help with the turnaround.

The recession didn’t happen overnight and won’t end that way, either, the president said Saturday in his weekly radio and online address.

“It’s going to take time,” Obama said.

Recent polling found broad disapproval with Obama’s handling of the economy as the 2012 presidential election takes shape. It reached 59 percent in a Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-pleads-for-patience-with-pace-of-economic-recovery-says-its-going-to-take-time/2011/06/11/AGxVfrPH_story.html

[Psephos]

1. Easy to say when you're being paid to live in the White House. n/t

[Phlem]

7. Exactly!

This has been my perception of him for a long while now.

-p

[sofa king]

60. Hey, you want to change it? Read this.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html

In it you will find that the President cannot fix our economy if a gang of rapacious criminals runs the House of Representatives. Our only hope is that people will turn out in statistically overwhelming numbers, so that a majority of Congressional elections are not close enough for the Republicans to steal in 2012.

Your perception has been formed by propaganda that tries desperately to divert you from this fundamental truth.

[rug]

66. A gang of rapacious criminals did not run thr House in 2009 and 2010.

What else can the President not do?

[AndyTiedye]

73. The Same Gang Was Filibustering Everything in the Senate

We need the Presidency, a majority in the House, and 60 votes in the Senate to overcome the permanent Republican filibuster.
We fell short of that in 2008 (Lieberman is not a Democrat), so the "Party of NO" has been able to block everything.

All measures to improve the economy have been blocked by the Republicans, and will continue to be for several years at least.
We might retake the House next year, but getting 60 votes in the Senate is all but impossible until at least 2014.

[ShockediSay]

83. What did 10 years of BushTax Cuts Get US? No patience, no compromise

w/ Fascists!

Right Wing
Super Wealthy Funded
Corporation
Controlled
Media
Propaganda Pumping
w/ Scapegoating
&Union Busting
=Fascist Regime

[No Elephants]

69. Respectfully, we've gone from "He's playing 46 dimensional chess," to "The Democratic

President, head of the Democratic Party and boss of the DNC just washed his Democratic Congress and can't do a thing with it," to "The Republican House has rendered him impotent."

[sofa king]

84. We did the same thing to GWB with Joe Lieberman's vote alone.

For years.

[JAnthony]

16. Right !!! Recovering from the biggest worldwide recession should have been

over 30 months after Obama entered office... if he had been a real progressive and hadn't had to deal with reality.

I am so sick of impatient Americans seeking solutions to every problem within the time of a made-for-TV movie, or a week or a month or two.

I don't care if those impatient people are Republicans or Democrats, or non-voters. The impatience of those Americans reveals how immature and uneducated they really are!

These people need to learn some history, some economics, some simple political science, and something about the obstructionist Republicans in both houses of Congress who have fought Obama every freaking step of the way.

Geeze, I hate to see posts from D U members revealing such absolute lack of understanding of reality.

[No Elephants]

53. And you get to decide what "reality" is.

[sendero]

56. Know what I'm sick of?

I sick of people who are SO ignorant that they don't understand the SIMPLE FACTS. It's NOT that we aren't RECOVERED, it's that we have not even BEGUN a RECOVERY because Obama has put in place NOTHING that would help create one.

It's people whose non-existent understanding of what is going on allows them the blissful ignorance of thinking that INSTALLING THE ASSHOLES WHO CREATED THIS CATASTROPHE INTO POWER WILL SOMEHOW END IT.

Obama inherited the most difficult economic situation in 70 years and proceeded to FIDDLE.


And while I'm here let me say that at this point I don't think there is ANYTHING that ANY PRESIDENT could do to fix the mess we are in. We SHOT OUR WAD trying to bail out the big banks and now we are in a debt trap. History will well record that it was Republicans that mostly created this mess with deregulation, and the idiot Greenspan Fed with Libertarian nonsense ideas and cheap money, but it will also note that Obama had a chance to do something and he didn't.

[Pale Blue Dot]

62. +1000. nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

80. !!!

:applause:

[roguevalley]

30. he should have done this first, health care second. When you

work on your 'legacy' first, you can screw up.

[ChrisBorg]

2. Training workers for manufacturing jobs that aren't there won't work.

Job's that are there have always offered training as part of the job. You train for the need, not the other way around. what is the need?

[earcandle]

37. who wants a factory job? cheap labor.

[Wilms]

3. I mean, look how long it took to organize the bank bailouts.

It takes time. And it's "hard work".

Right? :shrug:

[Avant Guardian]

4. Time indeed, the Bush tax cuts must expire first

Only then will recovery be possible.

[Marblehead]

5. and you can take that to the bank

a long long time

[girl gone mad]

6. Yeah, I imagine it will take a long time..

waiting for all that money they dumped on Wall Street to miraculously trickle down.

[No Elephants]

63. FWIW, you have my vote for thread winner. We've been waiting since Reagan.

[OKNancy]

8. So, those who have posted snarky remarks: What exactly do you think is reasonable?

What time table would you set to have us recover from the Bush recession?
Please don't post "nothing has been done" because that is ridiculous and untrue.

[Wilms]

12. A MASSIVE investment in the country's infrastructure, for a start.

:patriot:

Classrooms are over-crowded, trees need to be planted, and we could employ a lot of investigators and prosecutors to sort through the last thirty years of corruption.

For a start.

[JAnthony]

20. There's not going to be one single dollar coming for your pipe dream before

2013 at the earliest.

Congress wants to blow up any Democratic success, in the hopes of electing a Republican President.

You keep forgetting how such things work.

Obama has NO CHANCE of passing anything into law, and Republicans have NO CHANCE of passing anything into law, given the current House and Senate majorities.

We are in a governmental limbo land until 2013, and the latest drops in the stock market reveal that the world is aware of this... nothing will improve in the next year and a half. Nothing

[woo me with science]

23. He is the President, he has one house of Congress, and he has a bully pulpit.

There is no excuse for this mealy mouthed defeatism. He should be out there every single goddamned day proposing bold steps that might actually help people (see this thread for examples!) and embarrassing the hell out of the other party for not supporting them.

He gave a speech on reviving the economy the other day. Do you know what his two big ideas for solving the jobs crisis were? More job training for jobs that don't exist, and a brand new website!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=687207&mesg_id=687382

Give me a fucking break.

[JAnthony]

25. So you admit that you do not understand how a budget is passed in

Congress?

That's important to know, if you want to post on a political message board.

He is doing all he can when he knows, and any educated American knows no more dollars will be afforded with a Republican controlled House.

I hope some people learn this soon, their posts would be so much more stimulating to read, than mere pipe dreams that ignore reality.

[woo me with science]

27. So you admit you didn't read my post?

:wow:

[Name removed]

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[Bluebear]

50. What a pompous ass.

[cilla4progress]

78. Unfortunately...

I agree completely. You take the words right out my mouth. I'm so disappointed...very sad.

[Wilms]

32. Democrats held all three branches from 2008-10

One of the biggest accomplishment was handing the House to the reprehensible party and turning half of the Democratic voters into apologists.

[No Elephants]

55. Close, but no. Dems held both houses of Congress and the the WH 2008-2010.

(And both houses of Congress for two years more.) However, the third branch is the SCOTUS and Dems (or liberals, Stevens having been a liberal despite his Republican origins) have not controlled the SCOTUS in quite a while.

[Wilms]

64. Thanks for the correcting my misspeak. n/t

[No Elephants]

67. You're welcome. I had a feeling the trio you meant was the WH and 2 Houses of Congress.

[coalition_unwilling]

42. You have a very short memory. When Obama was inaugurated in

January of 2009, he enjoyed majorities in both the House and the Senate. He was warned by many, including Stiglitz and Krugman, that the ARRA as written was too small by a magnitude of 60-70%. Instead of heeding those warnings, Obama actually settled for an even smaller stimulus package than the woefully inadequate one originally proposed.

Obama does not deserve re-election, imho. He had a chance to write a new New Deal for Americans and squandered it in the vain dream of bi-partisanship.

[No Elephants]

54. I would guess a minimum of 95% of DUers know how a federal budget is passed.

Try to get over your sense of superiority.

[Macoy]

86. “A MASSIVE investment in the country's infrastructure, for a start”

“A MASSIVE investment in the country's infrastructure, for a start”


Can you imagine the number of good paying jobs that would have been created if the bank bailout money went to rebuild our infrastructure? All those employed people with a pay check burning a hole in their pockets on pay day……taking the family out to eat, maybe a new car or going on vacation?

Want to end wage stagnation? Try pumping a trillion dollars in local jobs. (good luck outsourcing that new bridge) As the demand for our labor increases so does our pay.

People talk about how the President does not have the political power to do all the progressive things he wants. Imagine the political power he would have if every time you turn on the news the talk was about “the Obama Recovery driving wages up”. If unemployment was 5% with a few million votes owing their jobs to the President, I think he can drive on with his agenda with no problems.

But instead, we bailed out the banks and have 10% unemployment and a President powerless to advance his agenda.


Macoy

[Phlem]

15. 1. End one war

and divert all that money back into job creation in the US, that stay in the US.

The government needs tax dollars to function, most of which came from the middle class. When the middle class get's wiped out and unemployed, then I wonder where the government might look for it's tax dollars?

2. END NAFTA

3. Start investing into infrastructure and bring manufacturing back.

I'm sure one could add a lot more to this list, just sayin.

-p

[Knight Hawk]

34. It would be a lot different...................

if things were bad and slowly improving.But by most metrics things are getting worse or stagnent.I do not believe it is unfair to say that Obama inherited a bad economy and has made it worse.

[lib2DaBone]

36. Nothing has been done. A recovery could happen overnight...

How's that for a timetable? OVERNIGHT?

Last week Obama gave $20 Million to Cuba. How about the Millions he just gave to Egypt. (Think about it.. Obama gave $$ Millions to Egypt.. why we are closing schools, laying of police and firefighters. And you think this is OK?

Quit allowing China to dump all their crap goods (duty-free) in the USA. (Oh.. I hear you.. you LOVE your crappy shoes that deteriorate in 1 week after purchase.)

End the wars. ($436 Million per day). Quit giving our money to foreign countries and quit giving subsidies to big oil.

We would have a recovery in a matter of days...

But it wont happen... we all know how corruption in government works.

[No Elephants]

52. The timetable is not the issue. The wrong things were done and the right things were not done.

[cilla4progress]

9. I'm sorry...

not good enough. WWFDRD?

[JAnthony]

21. Did FDR have a Republican controlled House?

in 1933?

Research?

[Wilms]

33. Research?

Look up who controlled what in 2008.

[No Elephants]

58. Worse. FDR had a highly obstructionist SCOTUS--and FDR put the fear of God into the Justices.

[cilla4progress]

75. He needs to take the bully pulpit

I don't need research for that. He could make a strong stand every day for the working people of this country, but instead, I'm afraid, he dithers. It pains me to say this, but in my heart it's true. He is not showing courage, he is playing politics. All along I've said I want to see him re-elected, so I understood and supported the play to the middle. Now? As I see the pain around me? I say go down fighting the good fight. At some point one needs to decide they are going to take a stand no matter the consequences. Truly, with the way I see things going, it couldn't be worse. Between the growing extreme income disparity and the wasteful wars, I'm not sure I see a whole lot of difference between an Obama administration now and, say, a Romney administration in '12. I am losing interest and faith. I voted for real change.

My daughter just graduated high school. Thankfully for her blessed dear-departed grandparents (my parents), she is able to go to a 4-year (state) university which, by the way, is just about to raise tuition 16%. So, she'll probably still have loans to repay after college. Out of her graduating class, maybe 1 out of 5 can afford this. The rest will be staying home, living with their parents, and attending the local community college. I don't remember another time in my life when a college education was so out of reach for so many.

I don't care if you flame away. These are my beliefs, my observations and my truths.

[WatsonT]

76. Did Obama have one in 2009-present?

Nope.

[DJ13]

10. A trillion $ jobs bill for the TBTF banks... days

A jobs bill to help the average american.... we'll get there in a few years.

Maybe.

[OhioChick]

11. Sad but true n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

81. Priorities LOL! Have a little patience...will ya?

:silly:

[zalinda]

13. A man from the dem party came to my door last night.

He was looking for my son to sign a petition, my son is still a registered dem. I told him that I was so disappointed in the dem party that I registered as an Indie. He was quite sad looking, when he said that he has heard that a lot.

If the White House doesn't get on the ball, a dem won't be living there much longer. People are noticing.

zalinda

[cilla4progress]

79. I had the same conversation on the phone this morning

when called by the Obama re-election committee. The guy's initial comeback was," well, is there anything better?". Wow. If that isn't depressing... I engaged him in a long conversation, the upshot of which was, sadly, this is NOT what I voted for in '08; I plan to vote for Obama in '12 for the aforesaid (there isn't anything better out there) reason, but I am not inclined to contribute enthusiastically of my time, energy and money, because I think they could all be more usefully spent elsewhere....for example, my monthly contribution to the PCCC!

[Javaman]

14. Yeah, and it will take longer as long as he ignores us and favors the corps.

I'll be waiting over here in the corner watching prices go up, wages stagnate and jobs disappear.

[bvar22]

17. OTOH,

The Wall Street Banksters got their Trillion Dollars in less than a week.

Now THIS is Bi-Partisanship!
Better get used to it!!




Who will STAND UP and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
"By their WORKS you will know them."

[canoeist52]

29. Yes, amazing how quickly things CAN happen when the

Corporate Party gets together to make them happen.

[JDPriestly]

18. If Obama wants to give people hope, he needs to fire Timothy Geithner.

He has already fired or lost other economic advisers one after the other. He needs to get a solidly liberal team. His original more liberal approach worked. He needs to go back to it and fight the Republicans on this issue.

Our deficits will continue to grow as long as personal incomes are stagnant while we fight unfunded wars. Either you have to tax a greater piece of the incomes or you have to end the wars now.

Obama is getting bad advice. Geithner is not a Democrat. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing, and he is not helping Obama. I don't think Geithner is even really on Obama's side.

[mike_c]

19. same old BS isn't going to work....

Like giving more tax cuts to the wealthy and bailing out the criminals who caused the crash in the first place, not to mention putting them in charge of the store....

[Name removed]

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[emilyg]

24. You don't have time when

you can't feed your family.

[Phlem]

45. Some in this thread would claim

That you don't how a budget is passed or that people that can't wait must be ignorant to how a government functions. I would claim they don't know what life is like for other people besides him or her. Completely ignorant of the urgency, but well versed in governmental function. You think a starving family on the streets really care about government anymore. Obama's wait it out is like a death sentence for others.

As if you can have a "real" discussion while ignoring people on the edge.

-p

[emilyg]

47. Exactly. When you're

hungry, can't pay utulities - you need immediate help. You also need to know things will improve shortly.

[eilen]

26. Time is up. His solutions only make things worse.

If he can't figure out how to play hardball with intransigents in Congress, then he doesn't belong in the WH.

How about an executive order tripling tariffs and charging a surcharge of any corporation that exports jobs? That might give them some incentive to train on the job.

Frankly the people being hit now--labor, teachers, the unemployed, the poor, those struggling with mortgage and student loan debt have been abandoned and we know it. We are losing the little lifelines we have in some states-- food stamps, medicaid and HEAP and Help is NOT on the Way and we know it. We don't have any hope that Obama or any of his corporate toadies will make anything better and we know things are only changing for the worse so we are digging in for the long haul and hope like hell we can keep a roof over our heads and food on our plates. I am hoping I can get a full time job as I am under-employed in which I can work daylight hours because I get really sick if I work night shifts. My husband is hoping there is a job after the current one which is starting to lay off in about 3 weeks. My son is hoping there might be a job after he graduates from college and we are all hoping we can put him through school without student debts. In the big picture, my husband and I are the lucky ones in this mess.

Honestly, those self satisfied democrats who are 3rd way, DLC who are wringing their hands over the apparent paralysis of Obama can kiss my skinny white ass.

[somone]

31. Obama needs to promise he'll change and fight really, really hard

in 2016

[earcandle]

38. give it up... we need some competition here.. who do we have to up against Obama in our party?

[No Elephants]

57. I don't think he will get any significant challenge. The memory of Kennedy Carter is too strong.

[lib2DaBone]

35. Nothing can change.. because no action has been made to change ANYTHING...

Jobs still go to China. China is still allowed to dump all their crap into the USA market at free will with no oversight.

Mr. Obama refused to renew Glass-Steegal or to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.. yet he jumped when it came time to renew the Bush Tax Cuts and extend the Patriot Act.

No.. nothing has changed .... and nothing will change in this administration.

[Scottybeamer70]

39. So...........I guess "winning the future"............

will be sometime in the future...........sometime........maybe never.......
so easy to say when you have nothing personal to ever worry about....
The personal chef will be fixing what for dinner this evening?
oh, wait........we don't all have a personal chef......silly me.

[No Elephants]

59. Hate to say it, but what'shername made quick work of Winning The Future.

[crim son]

40. It's not a matter of being impatient.

What a stupid, stupid way to put it.

[unkachuck]

41. "...Obama says people need to be patient..."

....help the Republicans, hurt the American people....you reap what you sow, Mr. President....time has run out....

[BlueIris]

43. You've had enough time.

And you don't deserve any more.

[neverforget]

44. Talking about the need for deficit reduction when jobs and the economy

are the most important issues according to the polls, isn't helping. Not to mention NEEDED! He may not be able to get job legislation through Congress, but he sure as hell could pivot away from the Republican deficit talking points and hammer the Republicans on being a "Do nothing Congress" when it comes to jobs.

[woo me with science]

46. Thank you.

Well said.

[6000eliot]

If he thinks that this will get him reelected, he's only fooling himself.

[6000eliot]

48. Duplicate

[Angleae]

49. He has until Nov 2012

If the jobs aren't here by then, he'll be unemployed too.

[No Elephants]

61. No, he'll simply begin a very lucrative post-Presidency earlier than he would have chosen.

[Donnachaidh]

74. yup -- think of all those 100K speaking gigs

Win win for *some* people. :puke:

[Warrior Dash]

51. Pitiful...just pitiful.

[fascisthunter]

65. just keep your goddamn hands off my social security

thanks

[Enrique]

68. people are being extraordinarily patient

Obama's approval ratings are very high, there is no unrest in the streets, people are suffering mostly in silence.

[underpants]

70. It is going to take 10 years minimum to crawl out of the hole Bush/Cheney dug us into

[No Elephants]

72. Unless someone starts doing something smart very soon, we may never "crawl out."

[No Elephants]

71. "He's so disappointed in us. And his biggest disappointment in us is our disappointment in him."

Jon Stewart. on President Obama.

[SammyWinstonJack]

82. I can actually imagine Obama saying something like that. Wait, he kinda did.

:evilgrin:

[Rex]

77. Yes, well POOR PEOPLE don't have time to wait!

More bullshit from a failing economy destroyed by rich bastards that won't feel the affect of poverty or disparity.

[4dsc]

85. Bush tax cuts are not working, spread the word

I don't believe the democratic party has another campaign issue but won't use it.