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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:51 PM
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China backs Pakistan govt after Osama bin Laden's death
Source: Times Of India

BEIJING: China on Tuesday suggested it feared serious instability in Pakistan, and would support the Zardari regime to the hilt. In its zeal to protect Pakistani rulers, China even indicated it would not pressurize Pakistan to hand over the perpetuators of the Mumbai terrorist attack to India.

"Pakistan government is firm in its resolve and strong in action in the fight against terrorism, and made important contribution to the war on terrorism," Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said during a media briefing.

"We respect, understand and support Pakistan's above position," she said in reply to a question on whether Beijing believed Islamabad's claim that it did not know about the US operations in advance.

But China is still worried there are elements within the Pakistani government that knew about the operations and might have cut a deal with the Americans.

Read more: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/China-backs-Pakistan-govt-after-Osama-bin-Ladens-death/articleshow/8153149.cms
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:55 PM
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1. Craven, opportunistic politics. Shocking. nt
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:02 PM
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2. China uses Pakistan against India just as it uses
North Korea against the US.

China wants to keep India weak so that it can, one day, threaten the US. For the Chinese, a nightmare scenario is an alliance of two of the largest democracies.

Unfortunately, the old cold-war era mandarins in the State Department have blinders on and go about kissing Pakistani and Chinese asses.

The ONLY way the US can be safe from China in the future is if it forms a beneficial alliance with India. This would require throwing Pakistan under the bus.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:07 PM
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3. I think China wants it's Gwadar port and maybe oil from Iran through pipelines

Gwadar: Pakistan's new Great Game

The dream of making the port of Gwadar an economic hub has been destroyed by a superpower struggle for influence

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/08/gwadar-pakistan-great-game
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:14 PM
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4. Where do you get these zany ideas? They are allies. They have a mutual defense pact.
Edited on Tue May-03-11 02:15 PM by closeupready
Duh. China likely doesn't believe this, but what they are doing is what allies do - circle wagons and mouth support. Really much more simple than you characterize it, this 'persecution of India' thing you seem to have going on, being victimized by the US, Pakistan, China, Sri Lanka, who else? Sheez.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:43 PM
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6. I'm erudite and perspicacious.
Why would China want an ally like Pakistan or an ally like North Korea? Both are tools in a larger context.

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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:51 PM
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7. You may or may not be, but your ideas about how the world operate sure are bizarre and Bollywoodish.
Just as the US and the Soviet Union had spheres of influence, the same operative principle is in play vis-a-vis China and India.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 03:05 PM
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8. They've been allies for some time now.
India is the common enemy....ever heard of the Sino-Indian War?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 03:11 PM
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9. +1000 n/t
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ohbill Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:16 PM
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5. China probably wants to colonize Pakistan.
Call me crazy, but look at what they did to Vietnam after the U.S. left Vietnam:

  1. Criticize the interveners.

  2. Offer support for the local government.

  3. End up being worse than the former interveners by a long shot.

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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 03:16 PM
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10. I will call you crazy if you want.
China did not "intervene" in Vietnam. In fact China and Vietnam fought a small war with each other after the U.S. left over the border. The main supplier of Vietnam during the war was the Soviet Union not China. In fact China was regularly accused of blocking Soviet supplies to Vietnam.
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 04:33 PM
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11. China is probably housing Mullah Omar in a Beijing condo.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:06 PM
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13. There never was a Mullah Omar -- it was a role played by
a high ranking ISI officer which is why there are no traces of Mullah Omar before the Taliban and after the Taliban.
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 04:47 PM
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12. Let China make a deal with Pakistan and pay them billions instead
of our doing so. Perhaps it will lead to instability in China especially in its minority regions. It's good for China to step up to the plate since it will probably be the dominate state in the world in the not so distant future. The more players in the region, the better it is for the U.S. and the better the U.S. will look in the long run. The U.S. needs to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan and let the region solve its own problems or create a lot of new ones for themselves and the other states in the Middle East and in the Pakistan/Afghanistan/India states. My prediction is that it will be more than China can successfully handle.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:10 PM
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14. There's really nothing new here
Edited on Tue May-03-11 05:14 PM by fujiyama
Pakistan has been propped up by three states primarily - China, the US, and Saudi Arabia, with secondary support by the British.

But now I think we'll see some debate here about aid from the US and other western nations. China, of course, will always be there to take up the slack. China's main concern is its own domestic stability and remaining the dominant power in the region.
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:38 PM
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15. Fine, China can have them, but we should cut our funding for Pakistan...
They like most other nations we deal with just use us for our money.

We need to stop funding all these other countries and take care of our own people first.
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