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mourningdove92 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 07:45 PM
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Officials: Pre-9/11 Memo Excluded Data
Officials: Pre-9/11 Memo Excluded Data


By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Just one day after President Bush (news - web sites) received a pre-Sept. 11 briefing on al-Qaida's effort to strike on U.S. soil, senior government executives received a similarly titled memo that excluded information about current threats and investigations, say federal officials who have read both documents.
The Aug. 7, 2001 memo, known as the senior executive intelligence brief or SEIB, didn't mention the 70 FBI (news - web sites) investigations into possible al-Qaida activity that Bush had been told of a day earlier in a memo entitled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in U.S.," the officials said Monday.
The senior executives' memo also did not mention a threat received in May 2001 of a U.S.-based explosives attacks or say that the FBI had concerns about recent casing of buildings in New York, the officials told The Associated Press.


They spoke on condition of anonymity because the senior executives' memo remains classified.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20040413/ap_on_go_pr_wh/sept__11_al_qaida_memo
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 07:49 PM
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1. Sounds a bit LIHOPish
Not conclusive, but it tends to support that hypothesis, I think. It downplayed the significance of the threat to people at the operational level, who might have been able to take preventative measures.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 07:50 PM
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2. !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!!?
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ConservativeDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 07:58 PM
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3. Here's a clue...
This information raises the possibility that the PDB did indeed cause action to be taken by senior Whitehouse officials. To wit: a directive to edit it to make it less alarming.

Why? Remember at this time the Bush administration was engaged in a debate with Democrats (among others, Senator Biden) about which was relatively more important - missile defense or anti-terrorism. Bush wanted (and still wants) to waste Billions on a missile defense program that doesn't work.

It would hardly help the Administration's argument if that memo containing all those dire warnings about terrorism got distributed relatively widely. Those sorts of things tend to find their way into the press - that would be politically embarrassing.

- C.D.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 08:16 PM
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4. Let's keep this quiet.
Because if we go blabbing about 70 current investigations, landmarks under surveillance and explosives then people would start asking questions.

ahem.

So does anyone wonder why no one who provided the intelligence compiled in the PDB has been fired? Could continued employment be an insurance policy against squealing? Just asking, of course.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 08:30 PM
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 08:33 PM
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6. I was hoping for an intelligent response to my comments. n/t
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:41 PM
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12. I just have a question in response - was this the "M.O.N.?" And
what does "M.O.N." stand for?

Anybody know?
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 09:17 PM
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7. Facts are a bitch
During the OJ trial I remember someone suggesting the prosecution obtain images from a satellite that takes pictures of Los Angeles at frequent intervals. The idea being that the enhanced images could be used to verify the actual location of OJ's Ford Bronco around the time of the murders. I thought "wow I never would have connected those dots". It illustrates something about the nature of facts and the difference between the truth and a lie.

Facts are contemporaneous with billions of other facts and are inextricably linked. If you had the ability view a snapshot of time you could connect one event or thing to another and eventually arrive at the truth. Lies on the other hand, are connected to nothing; they exist in a vacuum and therefore can only be buttressed by other lies.

This SEIB is another unexpected dot on the path to LIHOP.

Truth will out
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:03 AM
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8. Wow, at least for now my local NC news site
has the story up front and center.

Memos For Bush, Senior Officials Don't Match

Latter Memo Doesn't Mention FBI Al-Quaida Investigations

WASHINGTON -- Senior government executives say their version of a pre-Sept. 11, 2001 memo given to President Bush doesn't mention then-current threats and investigations.


http://www.wral.com/news/2998987/detail.html

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It's looking worse and worse for the * and the PNAC crowd. Were they seeking their own "Pearl Harbor"--now I'm beginning to wonder myself.


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dogonarug Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:55 AM
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11. How ironic
That so many thought that bushco was going to throw the CIA & FBI under the bus! DOH! Looks like Tenant will be gettin a raise!
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:30 AM
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9. A PG version?
Formatted to fit your screen . . . compressed to fit an agenda?

John Dean is right. This bunch is worse; blood is thicker than Watergate.

:grr:

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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:41 AM
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10. Junior's habits go way back to his grandfather, Prescott Bush
.
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“Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951” - Federal Documents


By John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003


After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.

Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.
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Clik on the image at the top for more.

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treepig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:24 PM
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13. while we're bringing skeletons out of the bush closet
let's not forget the reagan assassination attempt:

Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting
The Associated Press Domestic News
March 31, 1981, Tuesday, PM cycle


John Hinckley

HOUSTON

The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported today.


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Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons.
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The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons.

The newspaper said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corp., for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Co. of Indiana.

In 1978, Neil served as campaign manager for his brother, George W. Bush, the vice president's oldest son, who made an unsuccessful bid for Congress. Neil lived in Lubbock throughout much of 1978, where John Hinckley lived from 1974 through 1980.


From what I know and I've heard, they (the Hinckleys) are a very nice family and have given a lot of money to the Bush campaign."
SHARON BUSH


http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html


now what's up with that?
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