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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:44 AM
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U.S. Troops Battle to Retake Cities - WP - newsworthy details
Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 02:47 AM by VolcanoJen
This article, which appears on the front page of Saturday's Washington Post, is an honest, and therefore terrifying, depiction of the events in Iraq, and the worldwide reaction.

From the unraveling situation which swirls around the tragic short-timer Bremer, to the mounting casualties around Iraq, to Bush remaining speechless, and on vacation, to Shiites and Sunnis praying together, to clerics telling the American President that it's not about Saddam anymore... does anyone have any good news this Easter weekend? A plan? Or, at the very least, a series of actionable items? We have exposed our soldiers, and thousands of civilians, to a world of shit, and I'm terrified for them.

U.S. Troops Battle to Retake Cities - Clerics Call For Uprising; Iraqi Council Dissent Grows

Newsworthy excerpts:

In a Friday meeting with Iraq's civilian administrator, L. Paul Bremer, that one council official described as "very tense," council members criticized Bremer for not involving them in discussions about U.S. military operations and for failing to pursue less violent ways to control Fallujah and confront Moqtada Sadr, a junior Shiite Muslim cleric whose militia has been fighting coalition forces in Baghdad and in cities across southern Iraq.

In a sermon delivered by one of his deputies at the Imam Ali Shrine in the Shiite holy city of Najaf, Sadr said: "I direct my speech to my enemy Bush and I tell him that, if your excuse was that you are fighting Saddam, then this thing is past and now you are fighting the entire Iraqi people."

<snip>

U.S. officials continued to assert that the situation across Iraq was more manageable than media coverage made it appear. But British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw called the situation "the most serious one we have faced."

"The lid of the pressure cooker has come off,"
Straw told the BBC in an interview in London.

<snip>

Iraqi police fought beside Mahdi Army near Najaf earlier in the week, and were cooperating with the militia in Najaf and Kut. Several checkpoints along a main highway through southern Iraq were deserted Friday, with pictures of Sadr plastered on an empty pillbox.

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:56 AM
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1. Bremer may be in bigger trouble than he thinks.
"And in an incident that underscored the danger that a broad-based popular insurrection might pose to the occupation, military officials said they had discovered a roadside bomb buried inside the Green Zone, the tightly protected Baghdad compound where the U.S.-led occupation authority is based.

The bomb was found at 12:30 p.m. Thursday in front of the Baghdad convention center, planted in an area where only government and military vehicles are allowed. It was safely detonated by ordnance experts while the top U.S. field commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, gave a news conference inside, according to a senior military official."

Also, lots about the Iraqi police forces joining the resistance forces when push came to shove.

A fairly informative and balanced article - you sometimes forget that those are still possible.

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:31 AM
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4. Really big trouble. Check out these pictures




Well score one for women's liberation... Yielding Kalashnikovs while wearing abayas.

Will these photos convince Bush that the Iraqi woman are "liberated" and that we can get out of their... mission accomplished and all? </sarcasm>

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:37 AM
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7. On CNN-I, they just interviewed a British journalist who'd been kidnapped.
It was a gripping account, and it's a tragedy that most people will never hear of it.

He was travelling with three other journalists on the treachorous road from Baghdad to Falluja. During the journey, their vehicle was surrounded by five larger vehicles, and a large group of men, faces covered as in Tinoire's photo above, descended upon them and took them away. They were blindfolded, and loaded into a new vehicle. They eventually were left at a cinderblock building in the middle of the desert.

About 12 hours into this ordeal, they were all summarily released, and made their way back into Baghdad.

He described the road to Fallujah as "a scene out of the Middle ages... a scene out of Hades."
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 06:54 PM
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24. Wonder why Thomas Hamill was in IRAQ? For $1,000.00 /Day?




A television image aired on an Arabic television station April 10, 2004 shows a U.S. hostage in front of an Iraqi flag who Qatar-based Al Jazeera television said identified himself as Thomas Hamill. Iraqi kidnappers said in a tape aired on an Arabic television station they would kill and maim a U.S. hostage they had seized unless American forces lifted the siege of Falluja. Photo by Reuters Tv/Reuters

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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:01 AM
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15. In the top picture: Why would they not have any clips in their rifles?
.
.
.

I would think they'd want to keep clips in there just to keep the sand out.

Or is it just a safety thing?

. . :shrug: . .

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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:10 AM
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2. Bremer is a fool to think he can play good cop/bad cop using Quislings
they are NOT trusted.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 07:06 PM
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25. Bremer doesn't need Quislings--He has KRAZY KILLER KIMMITT
Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 07:16 PM by saigon68


Here is his handiwork: this little child was killed by K.K. Kimmitt's revenge on the city of Fallujah for the deaths of the four mercenaries last week.



Reuters TV grab of an Iraqi child killed after clashes in Falluja, Iraq (news - web sites) April 10 2004. A delegation from Iraq's Governing Council went the restive Sunni town of Falluja on Saturday to try to secure a peace deal with rebels after days of fighting that has killed hundreds of people. REUTERS/REUTERS TV

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:20 AM
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3. Iraqi Insurgents Take Highway at Abu Grahib
Thanks for posting that! Here are some more details but not sure how reliable

April 09, 2004
Iraqi Insurgents Take Highway at Abu Grahib
The main highway west out of Baghdad is held by the Iraqi insurgents. They've destroyed a fuel convoy, killing nine people. Most news stories are reporting one US soldier dead in this incident so presumably the other 8 are Iraqi.

Hundreds of militants armed with rocket-propelled grenades and Kalashnikov assault rifles were running along the highway or hiding in houses nearby, the correspondent said.

US troops were positioned on a bridge that links the old and new highway while insurgents controlled the stretch of highway between Abu Gharib and Fallujah further west.

<snip>
"Thursday night there was a violent attack against the prison and the Americans left their positions," one of the insurgents said who declined to be named.

"Around 55 prisoners managed to escape," he added.

<snip>

Apparently the Americans haven't tried to retake the highway. It is unclear at this time what the status of the prison at Abu Gharib is. There are reportedly thousands of prisoners, mostly Iraqi, held there. From the above report it appears that some have escaped. Reuters is running the above rather disturbing photographs. On the left two Iraqi boys are holding an American military uniform. On the right they are looting a flaming military vehicle.





http://ancapistan.typepad.com/unfairwitness/2004/04/iraqi_insurgent.html
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:33 AM
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5. Isn't a poster's son on duty there (Abu Gharib Prison)
"Thursday night there was a violent attack against the prison and the Americans left their positions," one of the insurgents said who declined to be named.

"Around 55 prisoners managed to escape," he added.

Mari333, I think is the poster. I hope he is OK, just a kid caught up in Bush's criminal war through no fault of his own.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:36 AM
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6. NO! Oh please don't tell me that!
That boy is in my prayers every night! Him and all the other young innocents over there. This is terrible!

If a single hair falls off his head, I will never, ever, ever forgive anyone who supported, or apologized for, this madness in the SLIGHTEST. That includes politicians, "patriots", and DU posters.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:38 AM
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8. I hope I am wrong
The name of the prison seemed familiar.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:43 AM
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9. oh god----it's the same prison that Mari333's son is at!!!
:mad: oh god...
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:45 AM
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10. Are you guys sure????
slinkerwink.. Tinoire... daleo... I've been searching the archives trying to find the name of the prison Mari's stepson is at... are you sure??? I can't find out, but it rings a troubling bell.

:grr:
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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:50 AM
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11. Info
Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 04:06 AM by Quetzal
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:53 AM
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13. It doesn't say he's at the prison though
Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 04:10 AM by AZCat
Mari333's post (#17) doesn't say that he is at the prison.

I hope he's okay.

This makes me sick to my stomach, I can't imagine how she's feeling.

Edit: I see the edit for your post has confirmed that he is supposed to be at the prison.
When will this all be enough?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 01:35 PM
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19. he is at the prison though...
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:15 AM
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18. Bring. Them. Home. NOW! n/t
Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 04:19 AM by Tinoire
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

On edit. Thanks. To everyone in this thread. Now the heart is even heavier.

Going to bed now because if I run into one more freeper troll tonight I won't have the patience to refrain.

Michael, God protect you. You are in our prayers.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:53 AM
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12. I got this from a search, this was early Friday a.m. I think
Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 03:57 AM by daleo
Michael emailed he said its getting worse, hes at Abu Ghraib


says hes inside a concrete bunker. Im going to DC on the 13th, press conference with MFSO. okay, today will be bad, its going to be bad because its a holy day. If you want to help, get on the phone, call your senators and congress today and tell them to get the troops home now...be determined when you call them, call your republican and Dem senators and congressmen..dont let them cut you off, be strong and call them...
mari

On edit - Quetzl links to the thread
Also on edit - the blog doesn't say the prison was actually overrun, so we can hope that he is ok.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:59 AM
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14. It would seem that regardless, her son is in the thick of something big.
In addition to our prayers, let's make sure we each do as Mari333 pleaded in her post.

GET ON THE PHONE.

Oh... Mari333. :-(
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:12 AM
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17. Oh God. I can't take this. Poor Mari! - Protests Saturday. ANSWER
Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 04:14 AM by Tinoire
I'm out in the streets tomorrow. And yes, will be phoning! Thank you for having brought all this to light. I had no idea he was that close! What a disconnect.


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- Bring the Troops Home Now
- Money for jobs, education and healthcare - Not for wars
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IRAQ AT THE BOILING POINT

The Iraqi revolt against occupation is spreading in
qualitative developments. The Pentagon is reacting with a
murderous iron fist that is making the popular Iraqi
position increasingly clear to the world: that the
occupation forces are indeed an enemy - not liberators.

In the last 72 hours, as the colonial force attempts to
hold the country in a tight grip, the number of casualties
has mounted, as Iraqi cities are besieged and bombed by
missiles and tanks. Street fighting is raging throughout
the country.

In a classic demonstration of colonial practices, the U.S.
is conducting a widespread reign of terror. In fact, the
U.S. and its allies are now conducting military operations
in Ramadi, Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, Sadr, Adamiya, Kufa,
Kut, Karabla, Amarah, Kirkuk, Mosul, Nasiriyah, Shula, and
other cities and towns. The city of Fallujah has been
exceptionally targeted. This is the same city where in the
first weeks of the occupation U.S. troops took over a
local school and killed 15 residents who were protesting
the takeover of the facility.

Yet, this is not exactly George W. Bush's Vietnam. During
Vietnam it took years for the majority of the people and
most soldiers to turn against the war. This time, the
people of the United States have learned within the span
of only one year that the war against Iraq is not only
based on outright fabrications and lies. One year after
the occupation, and even before, the people of this
country and the world are and have been turning against
the occupation and the warmakers.

Although an allegation has been made that this is isolated
"trouble" within a "Sunni Triangle," the revolt is in
reality over an entire Iraqi rectangle encompassing nearly
all areas - from north to south. Over the past three days,
the previously simmering rejection of foreign occupation
has evolved into a near full-scale revolt that has spread
to many cities in the south of Iraq. All while the U.S.
has implemented collective punishment against the people
of Fallujah and other cities in the central part of the
country.

In a predictable attempt at molding public opinion, the
U.S. media continues to use racist stereotyping to
characterize those who are resisting. The constant
designation of the Iraqi people as "Sunnis" or "Shiites"
is carefully calculated language designed to conceal the
single most important fact: that the Iraqi people (Sunni
and Shiite) believe that their country has been seized by
foreign imperialist occupying forces and that they - as
one people - are fighting to evict them.

If the analogy with Vietnam has validity, it is this: U.S.
political leaders, again emboldened by arrogance and drunk
with power, falsely believe that their possession of high
tech weapons is sufficient to subdue small Third World
countries seeking independence and sovereignty. The words
associated with Vietnam - "debacle," "quagmire," etc. -
are certainly apt for Bush's war and the occupation of
Iraq.

But there are fundamental differences between the war in
Vietnam and Iraq. The most important one being that the
United States could, at the end of the day, disengage from
Southeast Asia and withdraw from Vietnam. The policy
planners and decision makers for the U.S. imperial
establishment know full well that the United States
military, political and economic structures will never
voluntarily withdraw from Western Asia and Northern
Africa, also known as the Middle East.

This is where the oil is. Not just in Iraq, but also
throughout the Gulf region where two-thirds of the world's
known petroleum reserves are located. This region is also
the gateway to the rapidly expanding economies of East and
Southeast Asia, the northern entrance to the African
continent from Europe, and the where several strategic
waterways are located: the Suez Canal, Gibraltar Strait,
the Red Sea, and the Gulf. The Arab portion of that region
is also simmering with a popular notion of unity and
desire for full sovereignty spanning northern Africa and
western Asia. It is where the Palestinian struggle anchors
a populist anti-colonial sentiment, and where imposed
proxy regimes are dependent in their existence directly on
the U.S. In the heart of that region, there is Israel, the
U.S.'s most important ally and power broker, functioning
as a spearhead that simultaneously requires a political,
economic and diplomatic cover and support from the U.S.

Absolute control - military control - over these highly
strategic resources is the key to the exercise of hegemony
in the world capitalist economy. If the United States were
to leave, Japan, Germany, Britain, France would be quick
to attempt to fill the void. Therefore, Bush does not
contemplate withdrawing from Iraq as an option, nor would
it be a considered option if Kerry replaces Bush in
November.

The Bush gang opted to use naked military force as a means
of further consolidating an existing U.S. dictatorship
over the region. The project in Iraq was designed not only
to crush the Iraqi government, it was seen as a means to a
larger end. The plan was to build large-scale U.S.
military bases in Iraq, establish in Baghdad the largest
U.S. embassy (more than 3,000 personnel) in the world, and
use Iraq as the launching pad for regime change throughout
the region - the imposition of a true Pax Americana.
Earlier U.S. governments, including the Clinton
administration, also declared regime change in Iraq as the
top priority in U.S-Iraq relations. The Bush
administration, however, saw Iraq in a different light:
that the conquest and takeover of Iraq would be used as a
strategic pivot for the long-term reorganization and
globalization of this region under U.S. authority.

This was not the first time the U.S. has utilized Iraq for
this purpose. In 1955, the Baghdad Pact was orchestrated
by Britain and the U.S. as a response to the emergence of
the non-aligned movement that was established in Bandung,
Indonesia by decolonizing movements and nations. The Iraqi
people have never accepted that they should be pawns in
someone else's geo-strategic chess board. They have always
resisted colonialism.

Tens of thousands of Iraqis have died already as their
country was invaded and occupied. It is clear from the
events of the recent days that so many Iraqis are enraged
and disgusted with the occupation of their country that
thousands and thousands of people are prepared to give
their life rather than accept foreign domination.

The Iraqis are paying with their lives rather than be
colonial subjects. Meanwhile, the young men and women of
the foreign occupying forces, including U.S. troops,
really just want to go home. They and their families know
that contrary to the assertions of Rumsfeld, the U.S.
forces are not considered liberators by the people. This
is the classic equation for an unwinnable imperialist war.
In this sense too, the conflict resembles Vietnam. The
Vietnamese people were prepared to endure immeasurable
sacrifice to reclaim control over the country against
foreign occupying forces that, in turn, only wanted only
to return to their families in one piece.

In the recent days, the U.S. media establishment has been
filled with analysis and stories reflecting the grave
concern within the political establishment that Bush's
Iraq design may be creating the biggest crisis for U.S.
imperialism since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The
actions of Bush and Rumsfeld have catalyzed a revolt that
is moving from an embryonic stage to a potential
full-scale rebellion. Unable to prevent the spread of the
rebellion by other means, the U.S. military is carrying
out more murderous repression against the people, which in
turn will inflame the situation in Iraq and throughout the
region. Under these conditions, there is no actual exit or
withdrawal strategy in site. Even should the U.S. succeed
in outsourcing the occupation authority from Paul Bremmer
to his hand picked Iraqi proxies, there will be no actual
exit of U.S. military forces from Iraq.

Even the phony exit strategy is collapsing as the Pentagon
brass ponders the current need, like General Westmoreland
did 1967, to send thousands of additional troops to crush
a rebellion that has its roots in the anti-colonial
yearnings of an occupied people. Rumsfeld has said
publicly that he is considering sending additional troops
to Iraq. The Pentagon has relied not only on the
120,000-plus U.S. military forces but, according to
Nightline on April 6, an estimated 10,000 to 15,000 "guns
for hire" - U.S., British and South African mercenaries -
that are now fighting in Iraq under the euphemistic label
"private contractors."

The people of the world, including the people of the U.S.,
created an unprecedented mass movement in the last 18
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. Very consise and cogent description of what is going on
I do wish though that we had an orginization other than answer to carry the banner, from watching the protests in Washington DC they have a side agenda that I'm not entirely comgortable with.
However, they are the only game in town at this time, and while our interest diverge I must support them.

That being said, what I wanted to post was an observation that we are doomed, doomed to utter and complete failure. All that has happened is that the entire country has awakened, and will crush the occupiers from the sheer weight of their numbers.

They can afford to take casualties, we on the other hand will quickly reach a point where every man lost will hasten our defeat. Do you remember from gulf I the hyway of death?
We will soon be facing our own hyway of death, our hi tech equipment will be strewn about as we flee for our lives, encircled, trapped. and doomed.

Doomed by the failure of those incomps who started this, to plan, to listen to reason. Doomed by the apathy of the american voter in 2000, and the eagerness of the right to steal the reigns of power.

There's going to be some very bad times ahead.

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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:01 AM
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16. delete
Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 04:02 AM by Quetzal
sorry, wrong response
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:20 PM
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22. Agreed...this is very bad. Let's keep this up near the top of the board.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #6
26. Sorry, but true.
Mari333's stepson is stationed at the prison. I've not seen a post from her today. I believe she mentioned something about a press conference in DC next week, I could be wrong.

I hope she is on the road and has not heard. We can all send her lots of hugs, prayers and hope.
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Paranoid_Portlander Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:57 PM
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20. kick
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 06:40 PM
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23. kick nt
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