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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:15 PM
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9/11 Documents Show Hijacking Warnings
*snip* "WASHINGTON - U.S. government agencies issued repeated warnings in the summer of 2001 about potential terrorist plots against the United States masterminded by Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), including a possible plan to hijack commercial aircraft, documents show."

*snip* "The memo mentioned intelligence that bin Laden wanted to hijack aircraft to gain release of prisoners in the United States. The PDB also contains FBI information about "patterns of activity consistent with preparations for hijackings or other attacks," according to congressional investigators."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20040409/ap_on_go_pr_wh/sept_11_commission

I thought they had no idea that planes would be used?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:18 PM
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1. now we KNOW it was at LEAST LIHOP
is MIHOP far behind :shrug:

peace
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:21 PM
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3. rate this a 5!!!
the line divinding LIHOP and MIHOP is a thin one indeed....
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:20 PM
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2. Something funny w/ the Yahoo ratings
came out 14 minutes ago when I looked, and had a rating in the low 3's w 600+ respondants
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:23 PM
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4. I noticed that too
Thats because "they" want this story to die, FAST! Voted!

From the article:

<<WASHINGTON - U.S. government agencies issued repeated warnings in the summer of 2001 about potential terrorist plots against the United States masterminded by Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), including a possible plan to hijack commercial aircraft, documents show.

While there were no specific targets mentioned in the United States, there was intelligence indicating al-Qaida might attempt to crash a plane into the U.S. embassy in Nairobi. And other reports said Islamic extremists might try to hijack a plane to gain release of comrades.

The escalating seriousness was reflected in a series of warnings issued by the State Department, Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites), Defense Department and others detailing a heightened risk of terror attacks targeting Americans.>>

THEY ARE LYING TO US AGAIN! :grr: :grr: :grr:

:dem: :kick:

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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:25 PM
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5. No it is Condi I don't even know if there is a toilet in the bathroom Rice
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:30 PM
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6. Very damning - someone must ask Bush about "The Pet Goat"
Knowing all this, how could he possibly have sat and read a child's story for half an hour after the first plane crashed. There is now no doubt, but that they had to know it was no accident. So, how in God's name could he sit and read a book unless it was LIHOP. Someone must ask Bush this, publicly and get an answer. Somebody should have asked Rice, if only to get the question out in the open.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:42 PM
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10. Alibi.
Only someone very guilty would think it was important to be seen doing something transparently innocent while it all happened.

The fact that a really innocent person would NEVER behave that way never entered his tiny mind.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 05:05 PM
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12. Well stated!
Given the extreme PR control on the Dimson pResidency, why did they allow those cameras in the room? I wonder if that was something that was not expected or authorized. Maybe the school had volunteered it without clearing with the WH? It would have been impossible for them to kick them out of the room, given the timing and the script at that moment, I think.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 05:30 PM
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14. The Bush WH WANTED The Damn Cameras. They Are SO Out Of Touch
with normal people and their reactions... and so used to controlling stuff... that they couldn't figure that it looks so fake to have him there reading to kids.

Like the flight suit... they are just out of touch and totally used to having people say yes to them.

That's the problem when you disallow criticism and dissent... you lose your grip on reality.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 05:25 PM
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13. Exactly....
All you have to do is think back to what your own actions were when you first heard. Think about what the people around you did. Most of the world was in a state of shock...that is except the guilty ones.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 05:40 PM
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17. Indeed, that was the turning point for me.
That video got linked here shortly after 9/11. I watched it, maybe 6 times.....I finally concluded that his action was totally scripted. Card's whisper and no reaction tells me that he expected the news.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 05:50 PM
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18. Everyone in the United States fought their way to a TV, or
were logged on to the Internet. Yet the leader of our country wasn't even curious!
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:15 PM
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21. he is a wet brained burnt out drug addict ... he doesnt know right from
wrong.......
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:33 PM
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7. see the thread just up from this one for all the foreign intel that told W
ashington what was going to happen, down to the right week.
"Questions not asked of Rice"
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The Land of the Free Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:39 PM
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8. This Commission is a joke. Look at this Hampster Kerrey
Bush handpicked this jackass to be on the Commission. He's so inconsistent he's like swiss cheese. One can only hope SOME good comes from the commission, because the fix is in the bag.
Check out what Kerrey said in 2000 after the cole bombings at a Veterans Appropriations Senate Meeting

IRAQ

Mr. KERREY. Mr. President, at Pier 12 in the Norfolk Navy Base, along with the Presiding Officer in Norfolk, VA, I joined 10,000 others to mourn and to pay our respects to the families of 17 U.S. Navy sailors who were killed or who are missing following the explosion that ripped into the portside of U.S.S. Cole as she was preparing to set anchor in the Yemen Port of Aden.

It was one week ago today at fifteen past midnight that a routine port call became a violent killing of 17 Americans, the wounding of 34 more, and the disabling of a billion dollar destroyer.

In attendance at the ceremony to honor those lost on the Cole were many Members of Congress, Attorney General Janet Reno, National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, the Secretaries of Defense and the Navy, and the uniformed commanders of the Navy and the Marine Corps. In a gesture of Yemen's cooperation, their Ambassador to the United States, Abdulwahab A. al-Hajjri, was also present.

As I sat and listened to the powerful words of President Clinton, Secretary of Defense Cohen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Shelton, and others, I looked at the solemn faces of the Naval officers and enlisted men who stood on the decks of the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Dwight D. Eisenhower and two of the Cole's sister ships, the destroyers Ross and McFaul and wondered how long the unity we felt would last? How long would the moving stories of the lives of these 17 young Americans bind us together?

Their stories define what makes America such a unique place. President Clinton captured it perfectly:


In the names and faces of those we lost and mourn, the world sees our nation's greatest strength. People in uniform rooted in every race, creed and region on the face of the earth, yet bound together by a common commitment to freedom and a common pride in being American.


They were bound together by other common characteristics. Sixteen were enlisted men and women; the lone officer was an ensign who had served more than a decade in the enlisted ranks. None were college graduates, though many saw the Navy as a means to that end. They were from small towns and Navy towns, the places where patriotism burns bright and crowds still form to remember on Memorial Day and Veterans Day.

I watched young widows and brothers and fathers cry without restraint or shame when President Clinton read the rollcall of the fallen heros. Sadness gripped me as once more I thought of lives that ended too soon knowing their dreams would not now come true.

Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Clark appropriately reminded us that risk is a part of all sailors' lives. When going out to sea, there is never certainty of a joyous homecoming. Death is a frequent visitor in Navy households. Loss is never a complete surprise.

However, in this instance it was not the unpredictable ways of the ocean or the violence of a storm that ended these American lives. No, in this instance the killer was a highly sophisticated, high-explosive device set and detonated by as yet unknown villains.

There were words from our leaders that addressed the anger we feel in the aftermath of this tragedy. From President Clinton: ``To those who attacked them we say: you will not find a safe harbor. We will find you, and justice will prevail.'' From Secretary of Defense Cohen: ``This is an act of pure evil.'' And from General Shelton: ``They should never forget that America's memory is long and our reach longer.''

Yet, this desire for vengeance is as misplaced as it is understandable. Vengeance is one of the things a terrorist hopes to provoke. Such acts of vengeance--especially when carried out by the United States of America--are bound to provoke sympathy for our enemies. If we are to give meaning to the sacrifice of these men and women, we must take care not to allow the bitter feelings to govern our action.

While we await the results of a combined U.S.-Yemeni effort to find out who was responsible for this attack, let me challenge the idea that the attack on the Cole was a pure act of terrorism or criminal action. In my opinion it is not. In my opinion, it is a part of a military strategy designed to defeat the United States as we attempt to accomplish a serious and vital mission.

This is the third in a series of violent attacks on the United States dating back to the car bombing of Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia at 10 pm, on Tuesday, June 25, 1996, that killed 19 United States Air Force Airmen and wounded hundreds more. The second attack occurred on August 7, 1998, when U.S. Embassies in Dar es-Salam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya were bombed. These attacks wounded more than 5,000 and killed 224, including twelve Americans who were killed in the Nairobi blast.

I believe all three of these incidents should be considered as connected to our containment policy against Saddam Hussein's Iraq. The Cole was heading for the Persian Gulf to enforce an embargo that was authorized by the United Nations Security

Council following the end of the Gulf War in 1991.

In order to evaluate this incident and put it in its larger context, I had to re-learn the details of the action of Gulf War and its aftermath. The Gulf War began on August 8, 1990, when United States aircraft, their pilots, and their crews arrived in Saudi Arabia. Two days earlier the Saudi King Fahd had asked Secretary of Defense Cheney for help. Saudi Arabia was afraid that Iraq's August 2 invasion of Kuwait would continue south. Without our help they could not defend themselves. Desert Shield--a military operation planned to protect Saudi Arabia--began.

At that time, General Norman Schwarzkopf was Commander-in-Chief of Southern Command. On September 8, 1990, he ordered Army planners to begin designing a ground offensive to liberate Kuwait. His instructions from President Bush were to plan for success. We were not going to repeat the mistakes of the Vietnam War. On November 8th, President Bush announced that a decision had been made to double the size of our forces in Saudi Arabia. On November 29, the UN Security Council voted to authorize the use of ``all means necessary'' to drive Iraq from occupied Kuwait. On January 12, 1991, Congress authorized the President to use American forces in the Desert Storm campaign.

GPO's PDF
The campaign began at 2:38 AM on January 17 with Apache helicopters equipped with anti-tank ordnance. The next day Iraq launched Scud missiles against Israel. The first U.S. air attacks, flown out of Turkey, were launched and were continued until February 24 when the ground war began. The ground war was executed with swift precision and was ended at 8 AM on February 28 when a cease fire was declared.

The purpose of the Gulf War--to liberate the people of Kuwait--had been accomplished in an impressive and exhilarating display of U.S. power and ability to assemble an alliance of like-minded nations. Afterwards, Iraq was weakened but still led by Saddam Hussein. In their weakened state, they agreed to allow unprecedented inspections of their country to ensure they did not possess the capability of producing weapons of mass destruction. The United Nations Security Council voted unanimously to impose an economic embargo on Iraq until the inspections verified that Iraq's chemical, biological, and nuclear programs were destroyed.

Contrary to popular belief, the military strategy to deal with Iraq did not end with the February 28, 1991, cease fire. It has continued ever since with considerable cost and risk to U.S. forces. In addition to the embargo, the United States and British pilots have maintained no-fly zones in northern and southern Iraq designed to protect the Kurds and Shia from becoming victims of Saddam Hussein's wrath. The purpose of both the embargo and the no-fly zones is to ``contain'' Iraq so that Saddam Hussein does not become a threat in the region again.

Unfortunately, this containment object was doomed from the beginning. And while we have begun to change our policy from containment to replacement of the dictator, change has been too slow. The slowness and uncertainty of change has increased the risk for every military person who receives orders to carry out some part of the containment mission.

There are three reasons to abandon the containment policy and aggressively pursue the replacement of Saddam Hussein with a democratically elected government. First, it has not worked; Saddam Hussein has violated the spirit and intent of UN Security Council Resolutions. Second, he is a growing threat to our allies in the region. Third, he is a growing threat to the liberty and freedom of 20 million people living in Iraq.

As to the first reason, under the terms of paragraph Eight (8) of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 which passed on April 3, 1991, Iraq accepted the destruction, removal, or rendering harmless of its chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons program. Under the terms of paragraph Nine (9), Iraq was to submit to the Secretary-General ``within fifteen days of the adoption of the present resolution, a declaration of the locations, amounts and types of all items specified in paragraph 8 and agree to urgent, on-site inspection'' as specified in the resolution.

From the get-go, Saddam Hussein began to violate this resolution. Over the past decade, he has slowly but surely moved to a point where today no weapons inspectors are allowed inside his country. As a consequence, he has been able to re-build much of his previous capability and is once again able to harass his neighbors. All knowledgeable observers view Iraq's threat to the region as becoming larger not smaller.

As to the third reason--his treatment of his own people--there is no worse violator of human rights than Saddam Hussein. The people of Iraq are terrorized almost constantly into compliance with his policies. His jails are among the worst in the world. His appeal for ending sanctions on account of the damage the embargo is doing to his people rings hollow as the food and medicine purchased under the Oil-for-Food Program goes undistributed. Desperately needed supplies sitting in Iraqi warehouses while construction continues on lavish new palaces demonstrates that Saddam Hussein has no real interest in the welfare of his people. Rather, he maintains their misery as means to make political points.

If these reasons do not persuade, consider what happened in the other two cases when the United States was attacked. In 1996 we sent an FBI team to Saudia Arabia to investigate Khobar Towers. The investigation led to improving security on other embassies but no other action was taken. In time we have forgotten Khobar. In 1998 following the attack on our embassies in East Africa we sent Tomahawk missiles to bomb a chemical factory in Khartoum, Sudan, and Osama Bin Laden's training compound in Afghanistan. Neither had the decisive impact we sought and may--in the case of Sudan--have been counterproductive.

For all these reasons, I hope we will direct the anger and desire for vengeance we feel away from Yemen and towards Saddam Hussein. I hope we will begin to plan a military strategy with our allies that will lead to his removal and replacement with a democratically elected government. This would allow us to end our northern and southern no-fly zone operations, remove our forces from Saudi Arabia, and cease the naval patrols of the Persian Gulf. I can think of no more fitting tribute to the 17 sailors lost on-board the Cole than completing our mission and helping the Iraqi people achieve freedom and democracy.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:26 AM
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27. You prefer the incisive on target republican
questioners perhaps?
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:39 PM
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9. Oh, but poor little Condi says ...
Edited on Fri Apr-09-04 04:40 PM by damnraddem
that even if they knew about hijackings, they didn't know which cities would be hit by the planes -- and besides the FBI was supposed to take care of that.

In fact, the only thing that the Bushistas really count on to take care of everything is the FIB. ;-)
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:48 PM
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11. Now 3.16 w/ 711 votes n/t
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 05:31 PM
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15. gave it a high 5
anyone else notice the pics of Usama and Rice 'high-fiving'?

interesting.
dp
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 05:31 PM
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16. doop
Edited on Fri Apr-09-04 05:32 PM by dweller
doo wah...

dp
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:00 PM
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19. Nope, nothing incriminating there. Doesn't spell out exactly what would
happen on 9/11. "Who would have thought they would fly planes into buildings", or something to that effect was what Condi has stated.

Nope, nothing incriminating at all without the hindsight. That's is probably what they are thinking anyway. :eyes:
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:08 PM
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20. As of now....
You have given the news article 9/11 Documents Show Hijacking Warnings a rating of 5.
Its current average rating is 3.18 with 811 vote(s).
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:00 AM
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24. Someone was thinking about planes flying into buildings....
(6:00 a.m.)

President Bush has just spent the night at Colony Beach and Tennis Resort on Longboat Key, Florida. Surface-to-air missiles have been placed on the roof of the resort. <Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/10/02> Bush wakes up around 6:00 a.m. and is preparing for his morning jog. A van occupied by men of Middle Eastern descent pull up to the Colony stating they have a “poolside” interview with the president. They are turned away for not having an appointment.

From www.cooperativeresearch.org Bush 9/11 Timeline

How long were SAM batteries accompanying George on overnighters?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 07:13 PM
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22. PDB shows Bush is a moron, at best.
A traitor, most likely. From the article:

"Something was going to happen very soon and be potentially catastrophic," said one of the Democrats, former Indiana Rep. Timothy Roemer. "I don't understand, given the big threat, why the big principals don't get together."



His only remaining excuse, now that Condescenda's
fingered him as "the president's (sic) about as high as you can get."
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 09:13 PM
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23. The Most Important Point in the yahoo story....
Is THIS!:

"But in December 2000, the FBI and FAA issued a classified threat assessment that played down the possibility of a threat to domestic aviation from terror operatives known to be in the United States."

And the question is:

Who ordered them to play down the threat?

And WHY?


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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:11 AM
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25. Condi and Bushit kept saying they couldn't
imagine anyone using a plane as a missile; they thought there was just a threat of hijacking. Let's give them that failure of imagination. So --STOP the f*cking hijackings!!!! Alert the airlines and the FAA! Put special security in every airport. Warn the American people. DO SOMETHING!!! Their excuse is NO excuse!

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 06:36 AM
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26. This AM- NBC points finger at Asscroft...
Now we're getting somewhere-

Campbell Brown's interview with a former aide to Asscroft, now, nbc news analyst, reveals Asscroft was not interested in hearing from the fbi about the latest reports of terrorist activities swirling before 911.

Could it be, Asscroft/The Justice Dept, gave the order for a stand down during the 911 attacks?

Very interesting! WORSE THAN WATERGATE!!!!!

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