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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:56 PM
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Hosni Mubarak used last 18 days in power to secure his fortune
Edited on Sat Feb-12-11 04:04 PM by Joanne98
Source: The Telegraph

Hosni Mubarak used the 18 days it took for protesters to topple him to shift his vast wealth into untraceable accounts overseas, Western intelligence sources have said.

The former Egyptian president is accused of amassing a fortune of more than £3 billion - although some suggest it could be as much as £40 billion - during his 30 years in power. It is claimed his wealth was tied up in foreign banks, investments, bullion and properties in London, New York, Paris and Beverly Hills.

In the knowledge his downfall was imminent, Mr Mubarak is understood to have attempted to place his assets out of reach of potential investigators.

On Friday night Swiss authorities announced they were freezing any assets Mubarak and his family may hold in the country's banks while pressure was growing for the UK to do the same. Mr Mubarak has strong connections to London and it is thought many millions of pounds are stashed in the UK.



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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:58 PM
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1. That's what I figured and it explains the delays in his stepping down.
nt
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 05:59 PM
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17. THE LINK:
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tahrir Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 06:10 PM
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22. exactly, and that explains the welcomed transition to military rule and his speech thur
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 02:18 AM
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47. how many died so he could keep his money
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 02:34 AM
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48. indeed n/t
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greymattermom Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:59 PM
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2. untraceable?
Oh really? Give an award to the hackers and it will be found.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 07:40 PM
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31. not too hard - try the Cayman Is, Isle of Man, Switzerland etc.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 08:29 PM
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32. The Channel Islands.
My old boss liked to stash his family money there.
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 09:10 PM
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37. Switzerland has frozen
whatever assets he has in that country. He can't access them.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 09:46 AM
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53. Switz froze the cash b/c he was transferring it out to more secure accounts --
betcha. Swiss accounts ain't what they were 30 years ago...privacy-wise
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 04:02 PM
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3. Of course he did
he was just stalling for time while arranging to hide his stash.

And just think! Our taxes helped him amass his loot.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 05:38 PM
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15. I've been wondering why he
stayed in power, when he was this old and had this much wealth. I would've been kicking it in some paradise a decade earlier. Sheesh.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 12:45 AM
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45. Unlike most of us he most have had something he wanted more
than to enjoy his golden years! What kind of twisted mind keep these greedy fools amassing more and more. More than they can ever hope to spend in either their or their children's lifetimes. This is the stupidest kind of ambition I could ever imagine. He is 83 - maybe 10 more years at the most?
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 01:28 PM
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56. Hey! They do it here, over and over, and all they get is more tax cuts.
Go figure.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 08:12 AM
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50. If you are a billionaire ruling Egypt, you ARE kicking it in some paradise.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 04:09 PM
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4. Naturally. Nt
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 04:09 PM
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5. That's just going to make it all the more sweet as it's seized one piece at a time. nt
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iandhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 04:22 PM
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6. I do not think its 40 billion pounds
That like 65 billion dollars which would make him richer then Bill Gates.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 04:26 PM
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7. Being a tin pot supported by the US is lucurative n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 08:00 AM
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49. Egyptian pounds?
Edited on Sun Feb-13-11 08:02 AM by No Elephants
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 04:28 PM
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8. *Shakes head*
I remember the thread here where someone said Mubarak should step down to "preserve his legacy."

He was already preserving his "legacy." Like any good plotter without a soul, he was focused on the only important thing- his money and the power it gives him.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 04:33 PM
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9. Like any thief, he's probably been squirreling it away longer than last 18
days.

US officials claim his wealth to $1 to 5 Billion. NOT the $40-70 billion widely reported of late...

link:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/hosni-mubaraks-wealth-thi...

Mubarak should be forced to give back the (stolen) fortune: back to the families of those martyred, back to the People of Egypt, and back to the American taxpayers!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 06:06 PM
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20. it was routine for businesses to be required to hand a cut – between 20 to 50 per cent - to Gamal or
"it was routine for businesses to be required to hand a cut – between 20 to 50 per cent - to Gamal or Alaa simply to set up shop. Favoured entrepreneurs who worked with the brothers were given virtual monopolies in return.

"Arwa Hassan, a Middle East specialist for the anti-corruption group Transparency International, said Gamal appeared to be at the centre of the Mubarak family's finances. Miss Hassan said: "It was really common for Gamal Mubarak to approach a successful business and say, make me a partner in your business. I've heard this from various sources. I don't think it was a secret." ...."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 08:38 PM
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33. Based on a cut of every business in Egypt ... it could be a hundred billion -- who knows?
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 10:38 PM
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39. US gives him a billion in aide of our tax dollars and he kicks back 1/2 bil buying US weapons
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 10:40 PM
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40. This happens with alot of aid we give to foreign countries, kickbacks to congressmen also
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 11:27 PM
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42. Kickbacks to Mubaraks from US military contractors ought to be investigated by the US
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 01:33 PM
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57. Exactly. Confiscate all holdings in his name and any family
members names, until they can prove that the assets were obtained legitimately. That, of course, would be impossible for the entire Mubarak family - all their assets were obtained using stolen money from the Egyptian people and the US taxpayers.

Trust me, the US and UK governments can trace the money - in a matter of minutes. To claim otherwise is outright laughable.

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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 04:35 PM
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10. Well duh! Of course he did
He probably also had plenty of help from world leaders everywhere. Even some from here. They hang together.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 04:52 PM
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11. Is there a link?
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 05:22 PM
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12. Googling the title returned the link
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 05:31 PM
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13. Here's the link sorry.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 06:47 PM
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25. Thanks +1
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TatonkaJames Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 05:32 PM
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14. I posted this a week ago on another site
“My gut feeling is it only took this much time because he had to secure all his Billions before he stepped down. That's all that matters to him and all leaders around the globe, including here in the USA where we allow tools like Mubarak and Karzai to be in power".

I think I know how they play their games by now, don't need a newspaper to tell me that.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 06:05 PM
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19. During the protests last week, former deputy foreign minister Ibrahim Yousri and 20 lawyers petition
"During the protests last week, former deputy foreign minister Ibrahim Yousri and 20 lawyers petitioned Abdel Meguid Mahmoud, Egypt's prosecutor general, to put Mr Mubarak and his family on trial for stealing state wealth."
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 05:40 PM
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16. Folks, this is why it takes focus & personal discipline to attain political power.
If I were president of a Third World dictatorship, I'd probably use my last 18 hours before being run out of office enjoying the free high-speed internet by playing Tetris.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 07:09 PM
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28. "Third World"? Are you forgetting the Bushwhack Grand Final Looting of Sept. 2008?
And Junior WAS playing SOMETHING, while his handlers and Cheney and associated killers and thieves arranged it all. But I can't think of even the simplest game that he could have been capable of playing. Perhaps you have some suggestions? Nurf dart-throwing at a target with certain peoples' pictures on it?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 08:15 AM
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51. 18 days
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 06:05 PM
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18. Attorneys are bound to have been involved, as are banks.
Question is, was he violating a law? Maybe not.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 06:07 PM
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21. Well, the property records for Beverly Hills are public record.
.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 06:30 PM
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24. I think the implication is that he'd have his accountants put things in trusts HQ'ed in Cayman Islan
s, that sort of thing. Which, in turn, would be held by ANOTHER trust located in, for example, Belize or Singapore.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 07:08 PM
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27. Which is why high profile folk take title in the name of blandly named trusts.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 08:41 PM
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34. Also why Switzerland's secret accounts are a threat to democracy -- everywhere!!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 06:22 PM
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23. The pharaohs stashed their loot too.
But it was discovered, mostly by tomb robbers.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 07:07 PM
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26. Ha, ha....I just told a co-worker on Friday that I bet that's what he was doing.

They put out a story earlier than he's saved up about 40 billion. My guess is that he was moving this money to safe places and that he was destroying any incriminating documentation that might exist.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 07:18 PM
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29. I think he might have hung on to incriminating documents of another kind--"rendition"--
and that, too, was part of his arrangements for his retirement, that needed to be tidied up before he relinquished power.

The CIA just finished arranging immunity from prosecution for the Bush Junta's thug in Colombia, Alvaro Uribe--probably for the same reason (he knows too much). Witnesses were either extradited here and "buried" in the U.S. federal prison system or given asylum in the U.S. client state of Panama--out of the reach of Colombian prosecutors and over their vociferous objections. Musharaff definitely needed a similar arrangement and probably had similar bargaining chips.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 08:43 PM
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35. Was wondering about that today -- Mubarak would have tales to tell re US rendition -- !!!
And, probably would come in handy for the future!

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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 07:24 PM
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30. 30% illiteracy rate, male life expectancy 69 years
If Mubarak was concerned about his "legacy" he would have built schools and hospitals for the people,
rather than looting the nation for his own personal gain.

So many of this world's "leaders" are completely full of sh!t.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 08:44 PM
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36. Just want to say that somehow, the Egyptian people despite Mubarak are intelligent, wise ...
and have shown a political saavy that Americans seem to lack!!

Amazing given these conditions!

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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 09:25 PM
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38. Of course he did. He robbed his country and its people.
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timo Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 11:19 PM
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41. no surprise
our own politicians here do the exact same thing!!
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watajob Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 11:46 PM
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43. This is news?
My first words to my wife while we were watching the evening news on 25 Jan were, "He's stuffing suitcases full of hundreds as we speak."
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 12:37 AM
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44. I must be a lot faster than Mubarak..It only took me about 5 minutes.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 01:03 AM
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46. Of course. While people twiddled their thumbs. nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 08:20 AM
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52. .......
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thanks_imjustlurking Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 10:51 AM
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54. Well, sure, just like the banksters.
And he'll get away with it, just like the banksters.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 12:26 PM
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55. What a Surprise...
Nothing will ever change unless we change it, I'm sure some of the wealth will be "sacrificed."
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 03:06 PM
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58. k&r
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 03:20 PM
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59. Since high crime pays all over the world...
what are the chances that the Egyptian military will pull the same stunt?
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 12:50 AM
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60. and so, like the Nazi hunters-get him and get that money & put it into
Egypt's coffers.
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