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ProudProgressiveNow Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 03:28 PM
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Arizona lawmakers to file 4 birthright bills
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 03:41 PM by ProudProgressiveNow
Source: Arizona Republic (Azcentral)

Arizona lawmakers on Thursday plan to file four bills for consideration that they hope will change how the U.S. recognizes children of illegal immigrants. By 10 a.m., opposition groups had already gathered at the state Capitol waving signs and speaking out against the effort.

The bills, which have not yet been introduced, would likely establish that an Arizona citizen must be a U.S. citizen. They would define a U.S. citizen as someone who was born in the United States and has at least one parent who is either a U.S. citizen or a naturalized U.S. citizen.

Sen. Ron Gould, R-Lake Havasu City, and Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, will sponsor the bills, which will be identical, in the House and Senate.

Senate President Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, who along with Kavanagh led the effort to get Senate Bill 1070 passed last year, has been working on this issue for years. Kansas attorney Kris Kobach, who helped draft SB 1070 and in November was elected Kansas Secretary of State, also helped with this legislation.




Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2011/01/27/20110127arizona-birthright-bills-introduced.html



Put the Az in Nazi.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 03:30 PM
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1. I just gotta say those GOP Arizonians sure do waste a lot of time on nonsense.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 03:34 PM
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2. What part of the 14th Amendment do they not understand?
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


They cannot set the rules for being a citizen of the US or of the state of Arizona. That has been done in the Constitution.


Now, are the lawyers working on this incompetent and don't know, or are they just greedy, fleecing a dumbass client?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:49 AM
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11. Also, Article I, Section 8
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 08:50 AM by No Elephants

Arizona has no power in this matter.


The Congress shall have Power

To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization;, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 04:16 PM
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3. What on earth is wrong with Arizona?
How many batshit crazy states can we have before the country simply falls apart from right-wing idiocy and hate? I figure we're up to 8 or 10 now.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 04:28 PM
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4. Sounds like they don't want to recognize naturalized citizens as real citizens.
"They would define a U.S. citizen as someone who was born in the United States and has at least one parent who is either a U.S. citizen or a naturalized U.S. citizen." - From that quote a naturalized citizen could give birth to a real citizen, but that's all since they were not born here themselves. - Maybe just a typo.

Unlike with SB 1070, Arizona won't be alone in this effort. Lawmakers from about a dozen states have united under State Legislators for Legal Immigration and are expected to consider identical birthright citizenship legislation in their states this year. However, Arizona seems to be the first state so far.

There are a number of Arizona taxpayer-funded services that non-citizens are eligible for, such as public school. But only legal residents can get food stamps, cash assistance under the needy-families program, a driver's license and in-state college tuition.

In 2007, an initiative called the Birthright Citizenship Alignment Act that would have required hospitals to check the citizenship of the parents of newborns failed to make the ballot. In 2008, former state Sen. Karen Johnson, R-Mesa, proposed asking voters to change the way the state issues birth certificates. Birth certificates would have still been given to children of illegal immigrants, but the certificates would have stated "that the child was born to parents who were not in this country legally and that the child is not eligible for benefits that require United States citizenship."
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Volaris Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:12 AM
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10. THEY...
are going to find out real quick the definitions for "Original" and "Amended", hopefully to MUCH public spectacle and "...humiliations galore!"
Public Stupid should be rewarded with Public Shame.
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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 04:40 PM
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5. Sure - all those anchor babies are shooting people - Oh wait... (nt)
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 04:40 PM
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6. The hate-filled nativists are now running the asylum formerly
known as Arizona. How appropriate that their Senator is McCain.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 04:46 PM
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7. yep
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:03 AM
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14. Exactly! Like AZ has money to waste! mmm mmm m.
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 10:05 AM by lonestarnot
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 05:38 PM
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8. would they rather have generations of stateless people w/o birthright citizenship?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:47 PM
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9. The SOBs are really going after the Civil War era Amendments:

Amendment 14. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States ...

Arizona simply can't do this, according to long-established reading of the Constitution
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:53 AM
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12. Please see Reply 11.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:18 AM
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13. State laws which violate Federal laws
are unconstitutional by default...

:boring:
rocktivity
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:21 AM
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15. I also read within the last week that an Arizona legislator
was proposing legislation to require any candidate for president appearing on the ballot in the state prove he or she is a natural-born American citizen and eligible under the US Constitution to be president. Several birthers on the site I read this at were salivating at the prospect of President Obama being required to show his long-form birth certificate. One guy even went off on some rant about how a natural-born citizen received his citizenship from his father and not his mother, so that President Obama could not, even if he had been born in Hawaii, be a natural-born citizen and so was not and never would be eligible to be president. As a legal assistant, I'm used to reading legal documents and arguments, but that one was so far out in left field that I couldn't even begin to process it.
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