10,000 Cattle Dead In Vietnam

[villager]

Source: Huffngton Post

10,000 Cattle Dead In Vietnam: Cows, Buffalo Part Of Mass Die-Off

In the latest of a string of mass animal deaths, 10,000 cows and buffalo have died in Vietnam.

Vietnam's Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development confirmed the news this week that more than 10,000 cows and buffalos died nationwide due to harsh weather conditions.

Cattle have been dying throughout Vietnam, which has had a particularly intense winter. The northern mountainous province of Cao Bang was hardest hit with 2,260 dead cattle, per Thanh Nien News. Some have said the number of total dead cattle may be as high as 13,000.

Mass animal deaths have been in the news quite a bit lately. Hundreds of birds were found dead in South Dakota early this week, and before that birds were found dead in Italy and birds fell from the sky in Arkansas, among other incidents.

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Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/21/10000-cattle-dead-vietnam_n_812224.html

[shanti]

1. next up, mass human deaths

oh wait.....

[valerief]

5. That's what wars are for. nt

[Duppers]

2. Where are the climate change DENIERS on DU now?

come on out and say this isn't true.

Oh wait, they don't read the news page, too depressing for them.

[former9thward]

7. Exactly what does cattle deaths have to do with climate change?

Quote me just ONE scientist who equates the two. Just one.

[Duppers]

10. research

These animals died because of the bitter cold temperatures in areas with normally moderate winters, where barns were not provided. These record low temperatures have been and are being caused by global climate change, as contradictory as that may sound.


This freezing weather has to do with bifurcation models---meaning that in any system which is undergoing a change, the faster that change becomes, the greater the bifurcations (swings) in the system. Colder, wetter weather at times and much hotter temperatures at other times.

The greater amount of snow in North America is due to these bifurcations in our changing global weather pattern. Colder temperature is also an indicator. It is not proof that there is not a major global weather crisis down the road, not at all. We shall continue to observe drier climate in some part of the planet and colder, wetter ones in others. This is indeed evidence that the models are true, as they have predicted these changes.

My husband, a NASA physicist, is familar with these bifurcation models. Ck this publication:
http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/tcd/PREPRINTS/SGD_Hdbk_final.pdf

http://www.emeraldecocity.com/Pendulum%20Swing.html

Now, dear, who is ignorant?

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[Duppers]

13. OMG!! Hell, yes, I know that weather and climate are 2 different things.

Hell, yes, I know that weather and climate are 2 different things!!!

Bifurcations in WEATHER PATTERNS are indicative of changing climate. Do you even understand the meaning of that word?

People often say, 'oh, it's too cold for global warming to be true' or 'it's so hot, that global warming has to be true.' These are weather patterns, but when they reach records and occurr frequently, globally, and collectively, as they are doing, it is indicative and proof that the global warming models are true. (These swing are called bifurcations.) Europe and North American are both experiencing untypical weather patterns. The Vietnam incident is just one more data point.


Were any of the links I posted "witchcraft'???? You did NOT read any of them. They dealt with SCIENCE!

Jerk!! Do you work for an oil company, or are you an uber-christian, or just a hard-headed illiterate?


(To the mods, I beg you to read what I posted before you make a decision about this post.)

[former9thward]

14. I asked for one scientist who equated mass animal deaths with climate change.

One. You provided none as I knew you would. Instead you provided a paper which has nothing to do with either animal deaths or climate change for that matter. You also provided an arrogant ("simple people") conspiracy driven website complete with multiple colors of words in the text (like a madman using a crayon to write a note to the rest of the world) filled with unscientific drivel. "Stop buying things that burn anything" OK I'm sure we will put that right at the top of the things to do list.

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[former9thward]

16. You might look at the DU rules to see which ones you violated with this post.

[Duppers]

17. So, an article titled "Bifurcation analysis of ocean, atmosphere and climate models"

Is woo-woo and has nothing to do climate change?!!

Right!

[Duppers]

11. more...

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:QGKd39atMGIJ:www.chicagocleanpower.org/alley.pdf+james+hansen+on+swings+in+weather+patterns&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgGabLCbhGKMIJz349Dz4QPFhI4laAehQr6R0geiHS79ywZJgkuXs9FiKNSphE67rQRv2ikTNww1_ln3qMoOSMvwUdqeVJBcZ2u_TT2f-v98c6PnItfvvabDU3aPBgKz7WA5dvz&sig=AHIEtbSo_gtSw_jbtbriFWZFYM8kRKGrVA&pli=1


Looking Back
Meteorologists and climate scientists have long been making the case that we should be better prepare for a more variable world. This article from over 30 years ago predates scientific consensus on man-made global warming — although even back then, climate scientists like Stephen Schneider and James Hansen had begun to recognize the warming trend. The National Weather Service meteorologists in this article, however, emphasize the need to build “resiliency” against more extreme weather patterns. The article mentions global population and development pressures and somewhat presciently identifies arid and semi-arid regions as particularly vulnerable; these regions have been in the news recently.
http://connectedbynature.com/2010/10/looking-back-on-climate-%E2%80%9Crole-of-weather-mysterious-despite-study-1977%E2%80%9D/



Cold Winters and Pleasant Summer Days Even With Global Warming:
With global warming, believe it or not, we will still have winters with very cold days and periods of very pleasant weather in the summer. However, there will also be more large swings in extreme weather patterns, particularly with droughts over traditionally rich farm lands and floods in others. Severe thunderstorms and tornadoes will also increase. Due to a more persistent El Niño type weather pattern, there could be fewer hurricanes (due to stronger winds aloft in the tropics), but the hurricanes that do form will have a potential to be stronger due to warmer waters in which they draw their energy.
http://www.wtoc.com/Global/category.asp?C=181783


And here: http://climate.org/climatelab/Tipping_Points


These animals died because of the bitter cold temperatures in areas with normally moderate winters, where barns were not provided.
These record low temperatures have been and are being caused by global climate change, as contradictory as that may sound.

[MilesColtrane]

3. ...and there's hamburger all over the highway in Saigon.

[uppityperson]

4. " which has had a particularly intense winter. " Yes, animals do die during particularly intense

winters. What a shame, the poor cows/buffalo and the poor poor-people who were relying on them. Need to see who needs what on Kiva as have some money there.

[Duppers]

19. what you said ^^^^^^

Kiva is a great resource.

[patrick t. cakes]

6. Winter in Vietnam?

Its the tropics. How cold is there? Wow

[former9thward]

8. I was there a year ago. It gets quite cold in the northern mountains.

Around 25 (F) or so in the winter.

[westerebus]

9. Way up north.

Near China.

[defendandprotect]

18. Imagine some of these governments are a little curious about what's going on ....

maybe we'll find out indirectly --

Is the US testing a new killing program -- remember that they wanted

to destroy Castro's sugar cane -- weren't they trying to create bad

weather for him, as well -- and lots of other garbage like that.

Just the usual destroyers at work?

Native Americans couldn't believe that "discoverers" burned their crops!

[Crowman1979]

20. I wonder if some barrels of Agent Orange buried underground burst open and contaminated the water?