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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:30 PM
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Poll: Emanuel expands lead in Chicago
Source: USA Today

Former White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has expanded his lead in the Chicago mayor's race, according to a new poll.

Emanuel leads former U.S. senator Carol Moseley Braun, 42%-26%, in a survey commissioned by the Chicago Teamsters. Emanuel led with 36% in the Teamsters' November poll.

Voters in the Windy City go to the polls on Feb. 22 to pick a successor to Richard M. Daley, Chicago's longest-serving mayor.

Emanuel's departure from the White House last year sparked several staff changes by President Obama, resulting in another Chicagoan -- Daley's brother, William -- to be tapped recently as the new White House chief of staff.

Read more: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/01/rahm-emanuel-chicago-mayor-poll-/1
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:32 PM
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1. "Top Rahm-In?"
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 02:32 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:56 PM
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8. Nothing will stand in his way
Not even the law, as we saw.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:59 PM
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9. Is there an Elba Island in Lake Michigan?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 03:06 PM
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10. Do you have any evidence of him breaking the law?
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 03:12 PM
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11. The law was clear
You need to live in Chicago for a year to run for mayor. He didn't. The law doesn't talk about intent, and it only gives an exception for soldiers, not political appointees.

He knew he didn't. That's why he tried to buy out his renters to get a legal place of residence, that's why he amended his tax return to show Chicago as his full-time residence.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 03:18 PM
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12. It would seem that the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners and a County circuit court judge
reviewed all of the evidence presented and came to a different conclusion. Perhaps you have access to some information which they did not?
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 03:22 PM
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13. Of course they came to a different conclusion
It was a foregone conclusion that as the prime candidate for the corrupt machine a decision would have been made to let him run.

We had the same information. He didn't live there, period. They IGNORED that part of the law and based their decision on intent.

The law wasn't about intent. It was about living there. It had only one exception, and that didn't apply to Rahm.

That was inconvenient for the machine. Laws are only for little people.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 04:05 PM
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14. What proof do you have that the evidence did not apply to him?
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 05:21 PM
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22. The evidence applied to him
And it clearly show he had not lived in Chicago for over a year. Thus he was ineligible.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 09:44 AM
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29. Illinois law stipulates that an elector does not lose his resdiency when he is
away on the business of the United States.
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IamK Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 04:26 PM
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15. The people with the new car$ reviewed the information and came to a different conclu$ion
Chicago politics roll$ on...
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 04:36 PM
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16. It is quite easy to throw around accusations of bribery without a shred of proof
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 04:40 PM
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17. You don't recall where Emmanuel has been living the last two years?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 04:51 PM
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18. He was in DC "on business of the United States"
Illinois state law specifically states that you cannot lose your residency if you are absent for that reason.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 05:20 PM
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21. No it doesn't say that
It makes exceptions for SOLDIERS out on service.

It does not make exceptions for "on business of the United States" in general. I didn't see any rank insignia on Rahm.

Case law said you needed to maintain a place in the city to legally lay your head, even if you don't own that place.

Rahm had none. He had rented out his only legal place.

This decision created a new law, based only on intent to come back at some point.

The residency requirement is now completely moot. The requirement is worthless, might as well not exist.

The will of the corrupt machine is the only thing that matters.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:43 AM
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25. The statute make no mention of military service:
(10 ILCS 5/3‑2) (from Ch. 46, par. 3‑2)
Sec. 3‑2. (a) A permanent abode is necessary to constitute a residence within the meaning of Section 3‑1. No elector or spouse shall be deemed to have lost his or her residence in any precinct or election district in this State by reason of his or her absence on business of the United States, or of this State. Nothing in this Section shall be construed to prevent homeless individuals from registering to vote under the provisions of this Act.
(b) A homeless individual must have a mailing address in order to be eligible to register to vote. For purposes of this Act, a mailing address shall constitute a homeless individual's residence for voting purposes. A mailing address of a homeless individual may include, but is not limited to, a shelter, a day shelter, or a private residence.
Election authorities may by reasonable rules limit the place where voter registration of homeless individuals may be taken and the class of deputy registrars who may take the voter registration of homeless individuals.
(c) Nothing in this Act shall be construed to confer upon homeless individuals any additional privileges or benefits other than the right to register to vote and to be qualified to vote in an election under Articles 4, 5, and 6 of this Code.
(Source: P.A. 87‑1241.)

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/ilstatutes/10/5/3/3-2
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 10:54 PM
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30. Thanks, good info
But the reason for his absence was his choice to move out of state for a new job.

By this logic I could simply claim Chicago residency, and not live there, and get a GS job in California for a couple years, and still be considered resident.

The law was written for soldiers who lived there and were sent away.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:08 AM
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33. The law has been interpreted as written, not as imagined without adequate foundation
If legislators had actually wanted the law to only apply to those in the military, why didn't they write the law to specifically say that? Your quarrel is not with Mr. Emanuel, but with legislators who wrote a law which doesn't do what you want it to do.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 05:37 PM
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23. And the courts will be reminded of that, too.
It was fairly clear. If you're elected. If you're in the military. In other words, if the people send you at their discretion or if the military sends you and you have no control over where you go. Get a nifty job working for a branch of the government in DC or elsewhere--whether the SS Administration west of Baltimore as an administrator or working for the EPA in Mississippi, and now you keep your Chicago residency. (Most people act like Rahm's job was some sort of public service; it wasn't. It was a job and he was just a very powerful civil servant.)

I wonder how GSEs fit into that expansive redefining of the term. Or maybe going as a consultant or even employee working on a government contract.

Hard cases make bad law for good reasons. But when bad law's made on easy cases, you gotta wonder.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:46 AM
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26. There is no mention of military service of elected office in actual statute:
(10 ILCS 5/3‑2) (from Ch. 46, par. 3‑2)
Sec. 3‑2. (a) A permanent abode is necessary to constitute a residence within the meaning of Section 3‑1. No elector or spouse shall be deemed to have lost his or her residence in any precinct or election district in this State by reason of his or her absence on business of the United States, or of this State. Nothing in this Section shall be construed to prevent homeless individuals from registering to vote under the provisions of this Act.
(b) A homeless individual must have a mailing address in order to be eligible to register to vote. For purposes of this Act, a mailing address shall constitute a homeless individual's residence for voting purposes. A mailing address of a homeless individual may include, but is not limited to, a shelter, a day shelter, or a private residence.
Election authorities may by reasonable rules limit the place where voter registration of homeless individuals may be taken and the class of deputy registrars who may take the voter registration of homeless individuals.
(c) Nothing in this Act shall be construed to confer upon homeless individuals any additional privileges or benefits other than the right to register to vote and to be qualified to vote in an election under Articles 4, 5, and 6 of this Code.
(Source: P.A. 87‑1241.)

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/ilstatutes/10/5/3/3-2

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social_critic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 09:25 AM
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27. I believe he did serve in Israel's military service
But that was a while back. Does that count?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 09:43 AM
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28. His employment in the White House is what counts
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 11:03 PM
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31. This is why every law must include a clear, plain English description...
of its' intent at the time of passing.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 11:04 PM
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32. This is why every law must include a clear, plain English description...
of its' intent at the time of passage.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:34 PM
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2. K & R
:thumbsup:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:39 PM
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3. there was never any doubt.....he was anointed by the families
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:44 PM
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4. I feel for you Chicago... eom
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:45 PM
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5. Obvious
This is an obvious outcome. The only important thing about it is that we know that Rahm is officially part of the PTB.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:49 PM
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6. The Establishment Strikes Back!
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:50 PM
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7. Who the hell reads that rag named "USA Today?"
Old people! I don't know of any people under 40 who get their news from paper.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 04:52 PM
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19. People over 40?
So what about people over 50? Do they get even more of the same sneering disdain?

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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 05:54 PM
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24. Hey, I know half of the people over 40 are well informed.
I'm just saying that the majority of USA Today subscribers are over 40. This is the same paper who had a front page article saying that Bush made USA safer, to which Cenk Uygur went ballistic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hiRC5ZDTXk
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 04:53 PM
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20. He gets things done, so I'd vote for him.
You should see some of the wimpy mayors we have had here, they don't even know what they are doing in office.
One day our mayor is for this, the next day he's against it.
If the City Council glares at him, he backs down.
Seriously, but for the lack of a spine or a brain, he could be a better mayor, but not this way.
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