Nader calls for Bush to be impeached

[JoFerret]

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0404/137756.html

<<"When you plunge our country into war on a platform of fabrications and deceptions, and you bring back thousands of American soldiers who are sick, injured or dead, and that war is unconstitutionally authorized to begin with, Mr. Bush's behavior qualifies for the high crimes and misdemeanor impeachment clause of the Constitution," the 2000 Green Party presidential nominee said to applause from about 200 students at Columbia College Chicago.

Nader said President Clinton was impeached for "far less of an offense."

"Lying under oath is not a trivial offense, but it cannot compare with deceiving the American people night after night after night on national television, staging untruths and rejecting the advice of his advisers," he said. >>

[lastknowngood]

1. to hell with nader

n/t

[info being]

97. So you disagree with impeaching Bush?

[nolabels]

104. I agree with you, Nader has no right to speak about any of this

The guy that says there is no difference deserves no different

[lumpy]

105. Nader has as much right to say this

as I do and I have no problem saying it. Bush should be impeached.

[nolabels]

116. Perhaps the word "Right" was the improper word

My little cortex must have got stuck in lizard mode and linguistic associations took a hike. The term which would have been more precise would have been 'creditability'.

Would this seem more to the point

I agree with you, Nader has no credibility to be able to speak about any of this

Thursday, November 09, 2000

Nader Vows to Keep Working for Greens
by Eun-Kkyung Kim

WASHINGTON -- Ralph Nader ended his Green Party presidential bid the way he started, pushing for every vote and brushing off Democrats' complaints that he was helping Republican George W. Bush.

"You can't spoil a system spoiled to the core," he said to a standing-room crowd in the ballroom of the National Press Club.

http://www.oasistv.com/news/11-09-00-story-1.asp

"The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room ... especially if there is no cat. (Confucius)"

"It's not easy to change world views. Faith has its own momentum and belief is comfortable. To restructure reality is traumatic and scary. That is why many intelligent people continue to believe: unbelief is an unknown. -Dan Barker"

http://www.miniluv.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=471

[aquart]

2. So he can't be accused of getting him re-elected?

Eff him.

[onehandle]

3. He had his chance in 2000.

Don't miss this one, Ralph.

[PartyPooper]

4. The best thing Nader has ever said! N/T

[calimary]

5. Sonovagun...probably the ONLY time I'll find myself agreeing with Nader.

Not that I EVER intend to vote for him...

[info being]

98. Have you listened to him? I agree with everything he says.

But I won't vote for him either. I agree with a lot of people, but that doesn't mean they should be President.

[The Zanti Regent]

6. Then why is Ralph working to steal another election for Bush?

Come on Ralph, didn't the people of Oregon send you a message that you're just too dangerous?

[Fridays Child]

24. The man is a dangerous egomaniac.

(imho)

[lumpy]

106. I heard the same thing said

by a Republican many years ago. Repubs and apparently many Dems hate some one who dares to stir the corporate pot as Nader has done in the past.

[movonne]

7. I think Nader can be a help in this election...He is saying things

about bush that most democrats find hard to say. I am by no means a Nader supporter and I sure hope he joins Kerry in defeating this jerk we have in the WH.

[Prodemsouth]

Right i am no Nader lover too, come down to GA , i ll help you get on

down here the lets go to Texas, Lets get you on the ballot on all the monkey states. And people can vote for you there. but not enough to take away the popular vote from Kerry.

[Voltaire99]

8. You tell 'em, Ralph!

As usual, the most admirable voice in US politics.

[mzmolly]

9. Good for Mr. Nader!

Credit where credit is due here.

[Kahuna]

19. What credit? He knows it's impossible to impeach Bush....

So, what's the purpose of saying it? It's like he's mocking us.

[mzmolly]

45. How is it impossible?

Why is it impossible?

[niceypoo]

65. Its impossible because the GOP shield him

and ASScroft would never ever go after him

[Ripley]

79. Shhhh. We're not allowed to acknowledge Nader.

See, even if he used all of the DU talking points in a speech we're supposed to hate him with a vengence!

I think some people need to grow up and if you really think the biggest consumer advocate in America is your arch enemy, then maybe you should rethink your allegiance to the weak Democrats who keep running for office.

[Zero Gravitas]

87. the GOP controls the House and Senate

thats why.

If Nader doesn't want to be part of the solution, he's part of the problem.

More political masturbation from Nader the Enabler.

[mzmolly]

89. True, but we need to *FIGHT* for what is right. Show them they are

hypocrites. Every Democrat should be calling for this LOUDLY!!!

I am no fan of Nader, but I appreciate this statment from him.

I would like to see an echo of what James Dean - Nader and many others are saying regarding the *I* word ...

[Zero Gravitas]

90. there's no need to impeach

if we can defeat the wannabe Emperor at the polls, and nader is not exactly helping that cause.

[mzmolly]

96. I totally agree, but an impeachment would help with the greater cause.

Any REAL talk of impeachment would hinder his chances, regardless of whether or not it happens.

[redqueen]

101. Another possible bonus?

Is it possible that in irrationally and unjustifiably blocking the impeachment, the evil repukes in congress would lessen their chances for re-election?

Another less favorable side effect would be any underdog or pity votes he got as a result of being 'attacked'.

[mzmolly]

102. I totally agree. We put them in a lose/lose situation.

I think we need to start demanding our Dem reps take this issue and run with it.

[lumpy]

107. If enough Americans got out on the streets

demanding Bush impeachment maybe it might impress the uneducated sheep. Bush should be impeached for supporting the Big Lie.

[pippin]

10. Now Kerry do the same

At least Nader is coming forward and asking for impeachment. It's time other prominent voices join in.

[Prodemsouth]

13. If he did then it is Bush again. Remember Clinton's impeachment

and the election of 98. Thats why it is fine for Nader to say these things, he has nothing to lose.

[gate of the sun]

29. agreed agreed.

I'm sure there will be lots of excuses for your statement of why Kerry can't etc. Thank you Nadar for speaking up.

[truthisfreedom]

11. that's nice, ralph.

[K8-EEE]

12. Feeling Guilty Ralph?

AT LEAST 20 more servicemen just in the last 72 hours Ralph. Hope you enjoy helping GWB pull it off. He truly couldn't have done it without you!

[ultramega]

38. Score. A direct hit.

that is the truth, to trump all other truths. Would that I believed he was motivated by guilt.

Instead it is yet another move to make his inane point that there isn't any difference between dems and the evil ones and if there was Kerry would be calling for W.s impeachment, but since he's not, well vote for Nader and

I would like us to get the house back so we can impeach in the event the fix is in for this one

[calimary]

59. That means the House AND the Senate are musts.

The House so impeachment articles are drawn up. The Senate so the vote to impeach and remove from office is a go, too.

[dfong63]

68. whoa there: Nader's not the one who voted FOR the war!

you can thank good old John F Kerry for enabling Bush's war.

[DerekG]

70. That doesn't make any sense at all...

Did I miss something? Did Nader make it to Congress in October of 2002?

Silly me, I thought Kerry was the only candidate out of the two who voted for Bush's war.

Enlighten me.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

92. kerry voted to send em there

not Ralph, who's opposed dumbya's wars from 9-11 til now

[lumpy]

108. A third party has as much right as any other

to support a candidate for president no matter what the circumstances. I happen to support the Constitution and that is what the Constitution allows. I have always been a Democrat and will not vote for Nader but I believe in the Constitution more than any politician. When it gets to the point in this country wherein a person is squelched/not allowed to run for president then we will know that the Constitution has been replaced with fascism.

[FlemingsGhost]

14. Sheesh... how many Democrats are saying that?

Yet the responses from Blame-Nader-Brigade are right on cue.

Sad.

[Kahuna]

18. Well, he did deliver us an all repuke government....

Didn't he? Of all the times to go on a crusade, when both houses and the Supreme Court are controlled by repukes. What an idiot!

[FlemingsGhost]

25. Jeb "delivered" Florida. And...

"and the Supreme Court are controlled by repukes."

Yep. They sure are, Kahuna.
(In case you didn't know, Raph Nader is not a Supreme Court justice.)

The fix was in, with or without Ralph Nader. Al Gore was going to "lose" the 2000 Election, period.

[Delarage]

36. Excellent Point!

Ralph Nader did not cause Al Gore to lose the election. As Nader himself points out, Al Gore did not lose the election at all. It was stolen from him. Voters were disenfranchised and votes were not counted. I also agree that if Florida didn't work out, the Repukes had a "plan B" somewhere else. There was simply too large of a surplus sitting there that us liberals might have spent on the undeserving "lower 99%" and used to destroy the moral fabric of America by improving our schools, health care, environment, etc.

I wouldn't mind Nader being involved in the new administration at all. I must say, though, that I actually like Dennis Kucinich better. But Kerry's not bad and I'll do everything I can (just sent money today, ordered bumper stickers) to get him elected.

[lumpy]

109. Pure Bull

The blame game at work. Why should Nader take the blame because an ass is sitting in the WH? The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of those that voted for him and the corrupt voting procedure. The court deserves credit as well.

[lumpy]

110. Going on a 'crusade' to vilify

Nader is not going to change a thing.

[snahabed]

15. Um. No.

I positively detest Bush, wish Nader would man the first manned mission to Mars, and am a big Kerry supporter.

But impeachment is not appropriate. Bush acted within the confines of his job. Poorly, perhaps fraudulently, probably lying all the way. But that is not a crime. You impeach someone alleged to have committed a crime, not someone who you believe is doing a crappy job.

Believe me, just like Bush has altered the justifications for war, impeachment would lower the bar and we could expect every president from now on to be impeached for something.

When a president does not commit a crime, but is doing a crappy job, the remedy is to VOTE HIM OUT, which we will do successfully.

[Zhade]

41. Are you insane? The war and occupation was and is ILLEGAL.

b*sh committed treason by stealing the presidency - that's one crime right there - and now he's broken international law, yet you say he's committed no crime?

Where can I get whatever you must be smoking?

[snahabed]

56. Eyeroll.

Earth to Democrats: GET OVER THE 2000 ELECTION. It was not treason. There was a Supreme Court challenge, and we lost. Sometimes things don't go our way. It sucked, but that is by far the least of what should be on people's minds.

All this bitterness deflects from the real issues and battles that we need to focus on. THE CLINTON/GORE ERA IS THANKFULLY OVER. GET OVER IT. TIME TO WORK ON THE KERRY ERA and taking back the Senate.

[Zhade]

57. It was an ILLEGAL Supreme Court decision.

I think there's a website that might be more in line with your views.

[murielm99]

63. The Clinton/Gore era is thankfully over??

Record employment, budgets surpluses over? A relatively peaceful world over?

We will not get over it. It was an illegally stolen election. We will never get over it, and we will not let it happen again.

It does not deflect from the real issues. ONE of the real issues is that someone who is not the president is squatting in the White House.

Yes, we will work hard to elect Kerry. But we will not get over it.

[snahabed]

77. Forward-looking

It is unwise for Democrats to harp on this. It may stir the DU up, but it sounds like whiney sour grapes to the general electorate. There are FAR too many legitimate reasons to attack Bush.

While I voted for Gore, I am not so distressed that Clinton/Gore are history. I never particularly cared for either of them. I will do my damnedest to ensure a Hillary loss when she inevitably runs in the 08 or 12 primaries.

[skypilot]

83. Oh my god. Did he just say "forward-looking"???

Are you sure you're not on Bush's staff??

[snahabed]

91. No.

Very interesting to me how, because I merely believe that

1. It is bad for us to focus on 2000, and

2. Impeachment is not a positive focus of the anti-Bush campaign,

that I am a "troll", "stirring shit up," and "part of the Bush camp".

Kerry is the first presidential candidate in my LIFETIME, from either party, who I like. I think that getting a hardon for a Bush impeachment will disgust the average American and will drive them away from the party and consequently, Kerry. Not to mention that it would never happen because the GOP controls everything.

All these bitter people who are spending money, time, and resources on a fruitless Impeach Bush effort would be BETTER OFF donating said money, time, and resources to either the Kerry campaign or other local Democrats running for Congress.

But, yeah, I'm a total troll.

[skypilot]

93. All your other apprehensions aside...

...I asked if you work for Bush because "forward-looking", "forward-moving", "forward what-have-you" are phrases that they run right into the ground. It's actually become quite a peeve for me and I don't trust it when I hear it. It sounds to much like saying, "Don't pay any attention to anything else we've done, just keep looking forward". And then in the future when they've done more shitty stuff we aren't supposed to dwell on that either. Just keep looking "forward".

[nodehopper]

66. so the voter purge in Florida was legal?

[lumpy]

112. I'm over it, no need to shout and roll your eyes.

I just can't get over Bush's impeachable lies, however. Evidently you can.

[USexpat]

118. International Law?

Are you crazy... there is no such thing. Keep your eye on the ball or we will loose this election as well!

[Zhade]

123. Gee, I thought obeying international law WAS keeping my eye on the ball.

NT!

[TruthIsAll]

53. Lying to congress to vote for war, outing an undercover CIA

operative for revenge, illegally locking up presidential papers, war-profiteering, massive conflicts of interest, thrashing the constitution, conspiring to commit election fraud, lying and bribing congress to pass the medicare bill, letting 9/11 happen while ignoring Clinton and CIA warnings and those of many nations, looting the treasury with taxcuts for the wealthy, obstructing the 9/11 investigation, harboring state-sponsored terrorists (Saudi Arabia, Taliban), calling off the FBI investigation of the Bin-Laden/Saudi/Big Oil link, spying on Democratic emails...

These are not impeachable offenses?

Oh, I'm sorry. No Blue dress.

[snahabed]

55. Eyeroll.

No, the things you mentioned are examples of someone doing a shitty job.

Clinton was not impeached over a blue dress or a blowjob! Anyone who says that, even in jest, is a tool. He was impeached for lying under oath. THAT is a crime. Was it a massive waste of time? Yes. Was it a witch hunt? Yes. But there was some legal basis for impeachment.

[WyLoochka]

74. That is a myth - Clinton did NOT

lie under oath. No court convicted Clinton of lying under oath because it didn't happen. Tom DeLay and the right wing echo chamber saying he lied does NOT mean that he did.

Tom DeLay said right out why he "whipped" the House into impeaching Clinton - he said he did it because Clinton did not share his Christian Reconstructionist worldview. i.e. he was impeached for not being a fundie - at least that was DeLay's motivation and that is on the record.

[USexpat]

119. Its posts like this that demonstrate

why the deomocratic party will not get back in power any time soon. Until you start to realize and admit the truth about situations and quit thinking that everything is a big coverup and conspiracy, the deomcratic party will never be able to regain credibility with the American people.

[Name removed]

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[nodehopper]

67. True, good call

[snahabed]

76. Ego.

So someone calls out this insane impeachment push for what it really is (immature, 13-year old, sour grapes, diversion from real issues), and that makes one a troll?

According to the DU mission:

"We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals. While the vast majority of our visitors are Democrats, this web site is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, nor do we claim to speak for the party as a whole."

That's funny, I don't see any statement about "IMPEACHING BUSH IS THE PRIME OBJECTIVE OF THIS SITE."

Frankly, a bunch of you are very right-wing in your attacks. Ignoring substance and legalities, rant, and character assassinate someone who stands up to you. Sounds more to me like THAT would be more against the views of a left-wing site.

[lumpy]

114. I try not to hate

but today I'm in not a very good mood because of the Iraq situation. But, dammit, I'm so hating ignorant Bush apologists today.

[TheWizardOfMudd]

69. Three things you need to read

1. Article VI of the Constitution;

2. The Nuremberg Charter;

3. The UN Charter.

Bush willfully violated the Constitution.

And I think you are here just to stir up shit.

[Zhade]

72. And I think you're right.

Welcome to DU - you clearly belong here!

[lumpy]

111. Bush lied this nation into an invasion

of a sovereign country. Bush altered the justification for war; we call that lieing when I came from. In the eyes of many: maybe not legally but technically Bush is responsible for the murder of thousands of Iraqis as a result of his lies It was determined Clinton lied, that lie seemed justification enough for his impeachment.

[bluestateguy]

16. Well at least he's being consistent

I'll remind all of you "progressives" who supported him in 2000 that Nader supported the Clinton impeachment, so I am not particularly impressed by his support for Bush's impeachment, which would not be necessary were it not for his pissant candidacy in 2000. Nice try Ralph.

[Kahuna]

17. Oh sure. Now that we have an all repuke government...

thanks to WHO??? That'll happen........ NOT! :puke:

[unblock]

20. why impeach bush when we can SHOOT THE MESSENGER!

seriously guys, someone just called for bush's impeachment, let's talk about that.

jeez, we complain that all republicans can hear sometimes is 'blah blah blah clinton blah blah', you can't have a discussion because as soon as the name 'clinton' is uttered, the conversation is 100% derailed.

well, i guess it's the same here on du. mention nader and it just doesn't matter what the topic is, or should i say, was, because once you say 'nader', the topic is just how rotten is he.

pretend nader wasn't the messenger.

WHY NOT TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IMPEACHING BUSH???

[truthisfreedom]

22. ok, let's impeach bush. that sounds just fine. impeach him. cool. but

don't expect me to be terribly excited that Nader came up with the bright idea. i've been reading it on bumper stickers for years. you think there's any chance bush would be impeached with a rethug-controlled congress?

[FlemingsGhost]

33. How did Congress become Republican-controlled?

I'm sure you can tell me exactly how Nader is to blame...

[truthisfreedom]

35. i never suggested nader was to blame for the condition of congress.

i'm just saying that the idea of impeaching bush is a waste of energy because it will come down to party lines.

[FlemingsGhost]

39. My point is the "VRWC" far predates 2000 (and Nader.)

My apologies for implying you meant otherwise.

[lumpy]

115. Nothing that needs doing is a waste of time.

Think of the millions of people throughout the world who marched against Bush's call to invade Iraq. Sure it could be called a waste of time, however it is nothing less than a sense of comfort to know that people are willing to stand up against scamin' and jammin' and raising hell throughout the world. People of conscience who believe in doing the right thing are still with us. This is the difference between those who recognize evil and those that choose to ignore it. There is something deep within the conscience that says killing for power and ideology is wrong. Ghandiish isn't it, but it is right.

[RandomKoolzip]

21. Bait-and-switch.

"Look, I'm a real Liberal, a REAL liberal who says everything REAL liberals want to hear!"

MEANS:

"Look, I'm an egotistical Don Quixote who'll say all the right things to your face and behind your back I'll be helping install a rightist regime...."


Nader's about as liberal as Chris Matthews.

[NNadir]

23. Nader loves to call for the impeachment of Presidents, including Bill

Clinton.

Who gives a shit though? Anyone who is still listening to this jerk-off probably deserves the useless piece of shit.

[supernova]

26. First decent thing

I've heard Ralph say since he said he was running again.

[Tinoire]

27. Kudos to Nader for having a spine when others totally lack one! n/t

[Desertrose]

44. I agree...but there is another with a spine-->Kucinich n/t

DK rocks!

[Tinoire]

49. Great point but wasted in the wilderness n/t

[Desertrose]

51. so it would seem *sigh*

:hi: Tinoire

:hug: :loveya:
DR

[leesa]

28. Excellent Ralph! Way to go!

Say the words. Impeach the bastard!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

32. It's not going to happen and Ralph knows it.

So long as the Repugnantcans control congress.

Nader makes me want to :puke:

[nolabels]

121. I love when cartoons tell the truth

:kick:

[Aidoneus]

30. goddamn it.. when will this guy ever criticize Republicans?

I hope this doesn't interrupt the next Two Minutes' Hate session.. :eyes:

[goclark]

31. Tim Robbins Says Stay Off Nader

Just heard Tim Robbins on AA.
He was talking a little about Nader. He was suggesting that the Democrats stop beating on Nader. His thought was that we really need the votes of his supporters so we should just be cool right now.


I agree with him. As much as I dislike Nader maybe he will come to his senses before the election. If he does, we need him to like us.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

94. tim knows it was people like he and nader

and janeane (whose show they were on) that spoke out aginst the war while kerry was supportingit to save his political ass.

he knows ralph's the real deal

[Cocoa]

34. Bob Graham said it better

he said it earlier and he's more credible than Nader.

[seafan]

40. Bob Graham is a GIFT. n/t

[mzmolly]

46. S'actly why he is my second choice for VP.

behind Dean. ;)

[bpilgrim]

37. well said mr. nader

as usual :toast:

thank you

peace

[yltlatl]

42. Who cares if it's

politically dull-witted? It's like heart medicine. If I had access to national media I'd be saying the same thing. The shit that * has gotten away with makes me physically ill when I stop and think about it.

[NNN0LHI]

43. Why suggest the impossible? The Rethugs own everything Ralph. Remember?

When the Rethugs began talking about impeaching Clinton his approval numbers went up and stabilized. Hope that doesn't happen here for chimpy. I don't want shrub impeached any damn way. I want him on trial.

Don

[TruthIsAll]

54. Impeachment IS a trial.

TIA

[bpilgrim]

60. because it is the ELEPHANT in the ROOM

and needs to be articulated in the public space.

this is very different than the trumped up charges against clinton and most reasonable folks know it.

peace

[jeanmarc]

47. Anyone get the feeling that Nader....

...Just wants to make a little noise? Kennedy, Gore have done a great job of getting the message out while absorbing the punishment. I wonder if Nader can serve this role without being a vote vacuum?

[Tellurian]

50. I'd be happy if Nader sent his suit to the dry cleaners..

once n' awhile and desisted from sleeping in his car!

[amber dog democrat]

48. Yawn

I can barely contain my excitement.

[agincourt]

52. When the GOP loses Ralph Nader,

They could definitely lose big in a real election, if we have one. A different tune than Gore-Liebermann is worse than Bush-Chenny. I applaud it.

[sweetheart]

61. Yes, impeach the bastard (lay off the messenger)

The whole lot of these neocons are criminals and should be facing
the gallows for their crimes against humanity.

I don't care who says it. He or She is absolutely right to call
for the trial to begin... elections are for wimps. These are
criminals, and to vote for or against them is missing the point.

[mobuto]

62. Impeached? By Whom?

By the Republican Congress?

Uh, yeah right.


Sorry Ralph. The only way to beat Republicans is to elect Democrats.

[flaminbats]

64. I hope Kerry has his earplugs out!

Morality and honor must be part of our election battle cry, not just the economy and deficits. And Kerry is the best hope of making such a connection.

[Q]

71. I'm more disgusted by some of the responses here...

...than Nader's call for impeachment.

- It just so happens that Nader is right about impeachment. Bush* HAS committed high crimes. But the chickenshit Left would rather moan about Nader than join in the (growing) effort to make Bush* accountable.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

75. Aren't you doing what you're accusing others of doing...

...by lowering yourself to calling other groups names? What's with the "chickenshit Left" label?

Here's the deal, Q...the Left has loaded up and already left port in terms of making Junior accountable...when does the Green Party plan to buy a boat and join the fleet?

I'll tell you something else, too...I don't trust Nader as far as I could personally control climate change. He's going to have to prove himself to me before I back off the extremely negative position I took on him during the 2000 election. As far as I'm concerned, he was part of the problem in 2000, and as far as I know, he's STILL part of the problem.

And no...I'm not "over it", and as long as Junior occupies the White House, I'll NEVER get over it.

[Q]

81. I'm on the Left and a LIBERAL Democrat...

...but if you'd like I'll be more specific: it's the Democratic party in general who are the cowards.

- I've never (as of yet) voted third party in my life and I don't like Nader. But the Dem party is going to great pains to avoid the reality right in front of their eyes: Bush* is a criminal and should be charged with high crimes. It's just too friggin bad that few in 'our' party can't stand up and say it.

- This has absolutely NOTHING to do with trusting Nader. It has always been about the Democratic party allowing Bush* & Gang to walk all over them and doing nothing about it.

[mobuto]

85. How the hell can the "chickenshit left" impeach anybody?

Lest you forget, you need to control Congress before you can impeach anybody. Democrats do not control Congress, largely because of the efforts of Mr. Nader.

The only way to beat Republicans is to elect Democrats. The sooner fringe figures like Nader realize, the better we all are.

[jsw_81]

73. If Nader wants Bush out, he should quit the race and endorse Kerry

Because as long as we have a Republican Congress there is ZERO chance that Bush will ever be impeached.

[redwitch]

86. I think he will do just that

I predict that Ralph Nader will ultimately drop out and endorse John Kerry. I hope he does it soon.

[CabalBuster]

78. I wish Kerry had the guts to say that ....n/t

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[skypilot]

82. Yeah, whatever, Ralph.

Thanks for helping put the unspeakable, impeachable president in office. Asshole.

[Robb]

84. Nader has never been elected to anything.

He also has zero chance of being elected to anything.

How is it somehow courageous for him to make statements like this? I agree, sure, most of us do. We say this kind of thing all the time, and we've got the same problems he does -- we aren't in a position to defend past policies or create new ones.

It's an enviable position that he's got the ear of the national press, but frankly I don't trust their motivations for giving him airtime. I like Nader's ideas a lot, I always have. But what he's doing doesn't make a lick of sense.

Kucinich has an important role to drive the party planks to the left. All Nader seems to be doing is entertaining pundits.

[54anickel]

88. WE NEED TO STOP BASHING AND START CONTACTING NADER!

Sorry for yelling. The one thing I've noticed on this board is that is seems to be expanding to a democratic Underground. That's what I like most about DU and I hope it continues to evolve as such.

We need him on the outside to help us take back our nation! We need to contact him and ask if he is truly so concerned about this country that he join the citizenry together along with Dean to take our country back! Let's face it, being President will not allow him to be as effective as being on the outside calling for changes to the system.

We need to get rid of the big money lobbyist. We need to eliminate the "suits" behind this government if they truly do exist. We have all seen posts and discussions on the possibility of the suits.

I will vote for Kerry. But if/when he wins I will not sit complacently just because we have a Democrat in the Whitehouse. I am still suspicious of his sudden rise in the primaries. Better to be a bit suspicious and pay attention than error on the side of complacency and blind adoration. That is what Freepers do.

If Nader means what he says, we need him to help us, as a nation, begin the process NOW!

[Hand]

103. I'll contact the sucka...

With a boot to the ass. He's got blood on his hands from Iraq the same as Chimpy. Fuck him.

[54anickel]

113. That's helpful......not!

It's pretty easy to sit at a computer and piss and moan on the keyboard and say how much "life sucks". Why not put some of that energy to good use.

If you don't buy into Nader's call for impeachment and think it's just more BS, call him on it by contacting him. You want us out of Iraq, contact someone.

I truly get pretty tired of folks that do nothing but P&M on this board and give snide replies to a call to perhaps try and do something to make a difference.

I am pretty much done with DU. Thanks for that great response.

[yellowcanine]

95. Can we impeach Nader?

for lying when he said that Gore=Bush and for taking money from pubbies to run ads attacking Gore?

[Vogon_Glory]

99. I Agree, Not That It's Possible

I am coming to believe that impeachment proceedings against George Walker Bush ought to be drawn up by the House of the United States, not that the Republican Party is likely to fulfill its duty to the citizens of the United States.

[BiggJawn]

100. Can't disagree with him on this...

But then, even a busted clock is right twice a day.

[KamaAina]

117. You want Bush* out, Ralph? Get out of the race and back Kerry.

Your quixotic candidacy is one of the few straws the repukes have left to grasp at (Diebold being another).

[Neshanic]

120. "Now Ralph, just put the Bunny suit on, and walk out there."

[dolstein]

122. Impeachment is for parties that can't win elections

Hey Ralph -- Instead of calling for Bush's impeachment, which you know isn't going to happen, how about calling for people to unit behind the only candidate who has even a remote chance of defeating him in November? (That would be Kerry, by the way.)