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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 11:49 PM
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Poll: 4 in 5 Support Full-Body Airport Scanners
Source: CBS News

Americans have differing views on two potentially inconvenient and invasive practices that airports could implement to uncover potential terrorist attacks, a new CBS News poll shows. Americans overwhelmingly approve of the use of full-body digital x-ray machines - a new technology in use at some airports in the U.S. Most, meanwhile, do not approve of racial or ethnic profiling - a practice not in place.

In response to continued security threats, the Transportation and Security Administration recently began introducing full body scanners with more enhanced technology than past devices into airports nationwide. If a passenger refuses to pass through the new scanners, TSA agents are now allowed to conduct a very detailed, very personal, body search on that person.

Although some civil rights groups allege that they represent an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, Americans overwhelmingly agree that airports should use the digital x-ray machines to electronically screen passengers in airport security lines, according to the new poll. Eighty-one percent think airports should use these new machines -- including a majority of both men and women, Americans of all age groups, and Democrats, Republicans, and independents alike. Fifteen percent said airports should not use them.

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Most Americans do not think it would be justified for people of certain racial or ethnic groups to be subject to additional security checks at airport checkpoints. Fifty-two percent say no, while 37 percent say it would be justified.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20022876-503544.html
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 11:51 PM
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1. I believe it.
I talked to one dem and one republican about it today. Both said people need to "follow the rules." It's bullshit.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 08:28 PM
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76. This is a crock Once they get their TESTICLES GROPEDThey will cahnge their
Feeble Minds
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 09:39 AM
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89. This is true of a lot of what's going on in the U.S. today.
Once you lose your job, you're suddenly in favor of extending unemployment benefits. Have cancer and lose your health insurance? Suddenly Obama's HCR is palatable. Colostomy bag popped by TSA thugs? Suddenly the full pat down is invasive and probably illegal. If people had genuine empathy we'd all be feeling much better.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 10:14 AM
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90. No empathy-- But they'll scream like Girly men once Ivan or Klaus grabs their JUNK
And twists
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Ruperto31 Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:41 PM
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93. The poll was done several days BEFORE 'Don't touch my junk'
John Tyner's confrontation with the TSA was on November 13. The poll was taken between November 7th and 10th. Most people didn't know what these "x ray" machines revealed. Most people probably thought it showed a skeleton and a gun or explosive device if one was there.

The real nature of the porno-cancer-scanners was not widely known until the Tyner video went viral--several days AFTER the poll.

I wish some professional pollsters would take a poll now. Then at least we would have some better-informed responses.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 11:51 PM
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2. I swear I read a poll today
that said just the opposite. Maybe I am losing my mind.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 11:57 PM
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4. Where was this poll?
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:02 AM
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5. yeah - i saw one too, earlier on DU
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sally cat Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #2
82. It was a DU poll today. You're right, about 80% were against this.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 11:56 PM
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3. The America we once knew is gone
Pathetic, scared, ignorant people. Terrified by a complicit corporate media.
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:09 AM
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7. absolutely. the 4 out of 5 are cows being led to slaughter by their shepherds. (n/t)
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:44 AM
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39. Shouldn't that be "cowherds"?
just sayin..:P
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #39
40. AKA Cowpokes
:D
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #40
42. We have a winner!
Very good..I was going to say "cowboys".

Back at ya!:7
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #39
52. touche'. 4 of 5 of my brain cells were puking at post time.
:toast:
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #52
70. Why thank you!...I understand your condition perfectly, Sir!
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #3
57. The USAmerica you thought there was
never existed...

Hell, I got patted down by CoIntelPro in 1970...

And our ancestors went to jail under the Alien and Sedition Act for talking trash against the pResident (that would have been Adams I)...
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:03 AM
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6. Was this poll taken at an airport?
If so, I'm sure there are many people who "self selected" themselves out of the poll because they stopped flying when this conditioning for the police state began, like me.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:15 AM
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9. It was a telephone poll
But the question wasn't very nuanced - "should airports be allowed to use full body scanners", which implies an either/or situation. Nonetheless, I am constantly amazed by people's willingness to give up their freedoms from unwarrented (and possibly medically hazardous) searches.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #9
28. ahh, the telephone poll...
that sure takes care of everyone! :eyes:
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #9
31. Sounds like they called the same stooge 5 times and mis-dialed once.
:eyes:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #9
44. And clearly you cannot show these over the telephone to get the point across.


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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #9
65. Yeah, it's a pretty broad opinion question. Better to have qualified it a few ways.
For example, having the interviewer read a text describing the scan images, then asking whether they approve. It would also have helped to ask if those responding had actually gone through the scanners. The response may be more an indication of support for appropriate security at airports than a true vote of confidence for the scanners (sort of the way people will say they support the president but if asked about specific arenas will register disapproval with the way something have been handled.)
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:14 AM
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8. I love it. They worry about safety flying, the safest transportation going.
and then go out and blindly get in an automobile without a care in the world.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:20 AM
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10. Huh? Let's rephrase the question:
"Do you approve of using technology to virtually strip search yourself, your children, and your elderly parents before flying on a plane?"
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:20 AM
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11. Gulag conditioning: see illustration on post

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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:52 AM
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12. I have no doubt the responses would have been very different if
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:57 AM
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13. Fools...
though I find it hard to believe that 4 out of 5 Americans support this...
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:09 AM
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14. Bullshit, there is no way most people would agree to this humiliation
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:45 AM
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15. I call bullshit. A poll sponsored by a major network, supporting the police state? Color me shocked.
Not that I don't think that there aren't millions of sheep that support this, but I am highly suspicious of the amount in favor.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:14 PM
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46. They went a little overboard, didn't they? I guess 3 out of 5 didn't sound impressive enough. nt
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:37 AM
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16. Have we really become this fucking stupid?
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L.Torsalo Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:21 AM
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22. Yes, 6000eliot,
Americans REALLY HAVE BECOME THIS FUCKING STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPID!!! Sorry, but it's true. I am watching a nation that once prided itself on fearlessness in the face of great suffering and sacrifice become a cesspool of fear and moral cowardice. I weep for the nation; may history be kinder to you than your own lying "leaders" are.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:53 AM
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41. I haven't....It seems like you haven't
and it seems like most on this board haven't..

So who is this "we" ?:shrug:


I think a lot of DUers need to get off this knee-jerk "'We' are so stupid _____,______,______, evil, ignorant" ...Fill in the blank...It's very self-defeating.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #16
71. 50% of American are below average, remember?
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Yeahyeah Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:42 AM
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17. 5 in 5 exhibitionists are for it.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #17
78. Especially if they get to watch
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:46 AM
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18. I would not believe these polls. Michael Chertoff is profiting from
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 05:49 AM by sabrina 1
these obscene scanners and considering the crimes these monsters have committed, I would not put it past them to fix a poll, now that the public is refusing to use them and civil rights groups are getting involved.

Group slams Chertoff on scanner promotion

WASHINGTON - Since the attempted bombing of a US airliner on Christmas Day, former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff has given dozens of media interviews touting the need for the federal government to buy more full-body scanners for airports.

What he has made little mention of is that the Chertoff Group, his security consulting agency, includes a client that manufactures the machines. Chertoff disclosed the relationship on a CNN program Wednesday, in response to a question.

An airport passengers’ rights group on Thursday criticized Chertoff’s use of his former government credentials to advocate for a product that benefits his clients.

“Mr. Chertoff should not be allowed to abuse the trust the public has placed in him as a former public servant to privately gain from the sale of full-body scanners under the pretense that the scanners would have detected this particular type of explosive,’’ said Kate Hanni, founder of FlyersRights.org, which opposes the use of the scanners.


Everyone I know is outraged by them, and there are now movements to 'stop flying' until they get rid of them. I don't know where they found these people who are for them. But what would stop them from fixing polls for money? They kill for money don't they?

Chertoff they guy who was so concerned about the security of the American people, he let them die in NOLA because he was so UNCONCERNED about them. This country needs an intervention from outside at this point, and all of these evil ghouls who have risen to the top need to lose every blood-soaked dime they've made from their crimes.
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L.Torsalo Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:28 AM
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23. I agree with you, Sabrina.
This is such a self-serving piece of yellow journalism. Why don't they just write that we have agreed to give up all of our rights to help the glorious cause of...filling corporations claws? I know hundreds of decent people who have decided not to fly until these cancer-inducers are removed from the airports. I already have given up travel to anywhere I can't arrive by foot, rail or car. People are generally upset by this scheme. This poll is U T T E R B U L L S H I T !!!!!!!!!!
Now what are WE going to do about it?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:38 PM
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67. 'What are we going to do about it'
One thing is to join other people who are standing up against this and as you are doing, refusing to fly if they don't absolutely have to.

Here is a website that people can use http://wewontfly.com/ for information and to let them know we won't fly until they stop this harassment. Some information on the dangers of the machines, which of course they tell us we need not worry about:

For your Health


Backscatter X-ray uses ionizing radiation, a known cumulative health hazard, to produce images of passengers’ bodies. Children, pregnant women, the elderly, and those with defective DNA repair mechanisms are considered to be especially susceptible to the type of DNA damage caused by ionizing radiation. Also at high risk are those who have had, or currently have, skin cancer. Ionizing radiation’s effects are cumulative, meaning that each time you are exposed you are adding to your risk of developing cancer. Since the dosage of radiation from the backscatter X-ray machines is absorbed almost entirely by the skin and tissue directly under the skin, averaging the dose over the whole body gives an inaccurate picture of the actual harm. In their letter of concern, the UCSF faculty members noted that “the dose to the skin could be dangerously high”. The eyes are particularly susceptible to the effects of radiation, and as one study found allowing the eyes to be exposed to radiation can lead to an increased incidence of cataracts.


Not to mention the privacy issues which amount to an unconstitutional search without a warrant, a violation of the 4th Amendment:

For your Privacy

Aside from the health risks of these devices, the fact remains that they allow strip searches to be conducted on a wide-scale level. That they are automated and mechanical in no way changes the fact that when a government agent looks beneath your clothing you are being strip searched. These strip searches are being performed without any probable cause or reasonable suspicion, as primary screening. A recent article in the San Diego Entertainer on August 31, 2010 stated that “the scans are detailed enough to identify a person’s gender… to identify a passenger’s surgery scars, or to discern whether a woman is on her menstrual cycle or not.” Although the TSA purports to be staffed by highly trained professionals who respect the privacy and dignity of travelers, TSA Screener Rolando Negrin was ridiculed by other TSA screeners for having a small penis after being imaged by an AIT device


And he was not the only one whose scan was used to humiliate him. Women have also reported this kind of abuse, but they are trying to minimize these crimes.

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #67
87. Well CHILDS GENITALS -- should be OFF-LIMITS
Maybe certain people like their GENITALS handled by others

As a parent I would never FLY again or vote for the Idiot LIKE Napolitano's boss who thought it was a GOOD IDEA to let some Drooling Knuckle Dragging Retarded Cretin

Handle my five year old sons PENIS and ANUS or my eleven year old Daughters VULVA or feel her BREASTS

Apparently Obama NOW FEELS this behavior is no only a good idea, but necessary to protect amerika from religious nut jobs who live in thirty dollar mud huts
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #67
91. "If we don’t take action,
however meager and ineffective it may seem at first, the ability to opt out may soon disappear. We may soon find these porno-scanners on our roads, in our train stations and sports stadiums."


You can bet that is where our society is heading. The elites will never relent in their consolidation of power, wealth and the institution of the national security state.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #18
35. Getting sort of a different feel, locally...
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 03:40 PM
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55. Seems like a lot of people are angry there too.
There will always be those willing to give up OUR freedom for THEIR false perception of security. I really despise those people, unless they are so old nothing matters to them anymore.

Collaborators. These scanners have been objected to from the beginning, for years actually. But they don't quit even after being told 'forget about it'. Not when there's money involved. So they did this without warning this time, knowing they were going to get objections if people knew in advance, then pretended that people had an option, and for spite, made the 'pat down' so intrusive that people, they thought, would choose the machines and the profits could roll in uninterrupted after that. Machiavelli would be envious of the mob that runs this country.

I hope the whole airport shuts down. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY to get their attention. The French sure don't worry about a little inconvenience in order to protect their freedom. But here we always have the collaborators who complain about those fighting for their rights. I hope no one is listening to such garbage.

And, I think we should organize a Boston Harbor event to throw these pieces of crap into the water and Chertoff along with them.

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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #18
50. Also, what kind of radiation are people exposed to everytime
they go through a scan? From what I understand, it's more potent than an X-ray and for frequent flyers that could easily predispose them to early cancers and other fatal diseases.

I expect if any data comes out about the radioactive effects on the body, that poll will turn around very quickly.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. I bet they told people they have a choice, but didn't tell them that
government agents will be groping women and children, in the most personal way. The put this through very quickly because the people had objected to them already. I guess what the people want doesn't matter anymore. If there there's money involved, who cares what the people think?

The whole thing is disgusting and I hope they get sued until they have no option but to bury them.

People threw tea into Boston Harbor over far less than what is being done to the American people these days.

I will not be traveling by air until some sanity returns to this country.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:57 PM
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69. .
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:01 AM
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19. 4 Out of 5 Are Perverts!
Sick! Sick! Sick!
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:01 AM
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20. Rubbish
just sayin'...
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:21 AM
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21. I agree. They are getting nothing but complaints, and
I believe they came out with this poll to try to ward off a complete boycott of air travel unless these sick, perverted practices stop.

According to this article, the complaints are growing steadily:

Passenger becomes internet sensation for telling US airport security 'don't touch my junk'

"It's all about security," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said. "It's all about everybody recognising their role."

Despite officials' insistence that they had taken care to prepare the American flying public, the flurry of criticism, from private citizens to airline pilots' groups, suggested that Napolitano and other officials had been caught off guard.

"Almost to a person, travel managers are concerned that TSA is going too far and without proper procedures and sufficient oversight," said Kevin Mitchell, chairman of the Business Travel Coalition, an advocacy group representing corporate travel departments. Travel managers are hearing from their travellers about this virtually on a daily basis.


I don't believe this poll for a minute. I hope there is a massive boycott of air travel, even the threat of such a costly boycott would stop this abuse immediately. It's all about money, and I believe these searches violate the 4th Amendment of the Constitution. I hope there will be a court challenge, a class action suit against this abuse of people's rights.

As for Napolitano, I expected respect for civil liberties, the rights of citizens not to be abused by oppressive government tactics from Democrats. What a disappointment this administration has been. Always on the side of the money people.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #21
59. That fuck Napolitano left us to the tender mercies of the far right
here in Arizona...

For her own personal "advancement" running a bullshit agency for the Empire...

I don't expect ANY respect for civil liberties from a former PROSECUTOR and blue-dog piece of shit like her...
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:38 AM
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24. Rubbish indeed.
The notion that 4 out of 5 americans approve of anything requires more support than some casual poll.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:32 AM
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38. Excellent Point!
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 11:33 AM by Demeter
That was the Biggest Lie of all!

Or alternatively, 80% of the public isn't flying anywhere, period.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #38
49. Another good point.
I took a second to look it up and found this:

From a Gallup Poll regarding Air Travel (December 2006):

"Overall, Americans report that they have taken an average of 2.2 trips on
a commercial airliner in the past 12 months. Only about half of Americans
have flown at all in the last year, including 29% who have flown once or
twice, 8% who have flown three or four times, and 11% who have flown five
times or more. The average number of air trips made by those who have flown
in the past year is 4.6."


In 2006, 81% of Americans flew infrequently (up to twice a year) or not at all, according to the cites on that page. I can't think of a reason why people would be flying more now.

It also occurs to me that most of the people who will be flying this year have yet to be subjected to the actual security procedures, since most of them do their flying at Thanksgiving and Christmas. I'd like to see how these same poll questions play out on January 7 of next year.

So maybe two out of five don't care at all because they're not going to fly, one out of five has a rude awakening coming this holiday, one out of five is OMGLOLBBQueless, and one out of five already hates it.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:18 AM
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25. Fearful traveling stooges bother me more than the scanners
I loath every aspect of the faux security industry at airports, but nothing annoys me more than fellow passengers who smile and accept any intrusion with a smile.

It's as though having ones shoes removed and getting felt up at the boarding gate has become, in our new Orwellian world, a vaguely patriotic and heroic act.

I am not surprised that these timid and submissive fellow travelers are well represented in the results of this poll.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:32 AM
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26. Poll: 4 in 5 TSA agents Support Full-Body Airport Scanners
The other 20% were scared off by the thought of having to bleach their eyes
every night ...

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Blandocyte Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:37 AM
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27. Not until 4 in 5 security experts
are in favor of these things will I be swayed. What do average Americans know about security other than to be scared when they're told some scary stories?
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 09:31 AM
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29. "Some People" again.
Are 4 of 5 Americans unaware that these are X-ray machines?

CBS needs to go the the nearest airport and get scanned in hopes of finding their credibility.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 10:37 AM
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34. are they X-ray machines?
I thought it was terahertz radiation.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 10:54 AM
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36. "The TIA machines use high-frequency radio waves that bounce off the passenger's body...."
I misspoke. However, for those concerned that cell-phones may cause brain cancer....
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 09:49 AM
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30. 4 in 5 Americans rarely, if ever fly anywhere
Very few fly outside the USA

It shocked me to find out that in Indiana only 30% of adults have a passport. This means 2/3 of adults never have and never intended to travel outside the USA.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 10:29 AM
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32. All of the callers and texts they aired yesterday on HLN were in favor of invasive screening.
In the name of "personal safety." :puke:

Granted, HLN likely chose to air only favorable responses but it's shocking how many Americans are willing --- no, EAGER! --- to throw away their civil rights.

The future is becoming clear and it's a far, far scarier sight than ALL the TSA xray machines.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 09:44 PM
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72. Probably all hired stooges. Maybe they should read the comments
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 09:46 PM by sabrina 1
on this TSA blog, or maybe they have and are fighting back by fabricating 'consent'. It wouldn't be the first time. From 'Blogger Bog', the TSA blogger explaining why when you refuse to go through a strip search to get on a plane in this free country of ours, you are punished by a sexual assault. Okay, that't now what he SAID, but it's clear this is what they are trying to do.

TSA BLog: Enhanced Pat-downs

From Blogger Bob, your friendly TSA blogger attempting to excuse the sexual assault of travelers for 'security reasons':

Enhanced Pat-downs

You may have read about TSA implementing enhanced pat downs as part of our layered approach to security. Using the latest intelligence, TSA constantly updates our screening procedures to stay ahead of those who wish to do us harm and keep the skies safe for the flying public. When developing our security procedures, we use input from across the agency, including our Offices of Intelligence, Privacy, and Civil Rights and Liberties.

To add some perspective, TSA has used pat downs since our agency started federalizing checkpoints in 2002. They’re an effective way of helping us keep dangerous items such as weapons or improvised explosive devices off of planes.

etc. etc.


And here are a few of the many comments in response to TSA Blogger, Bob's attempt to let us know what our role in all of this is. As you can see, contrary to the fixed polls and comments from collaborators, there is hardly a single comment that does not express outrage over this sexual assault on innocent people brought to you by the creepily named, Orwellian Homeland Security Agency:

Anonymous Said...
Care to explain TSA's newfound obsession with seeing and feeling people's genitals, Bob?

August 27, 2010 4:58 PM

Anonymous Said...
Why should people have to be sexually assaulted to get on an airplane, Curtis?

August 27, 2010 4:59 PM

Anonymous Said...
If a screener attempts to touch my or my child's genitals, I will summon an LEO and file sexual assault charges. Will TSA pay the screener's legal bills, or will the screener be on his own?

August 27, 2010 5:00 PM

Chris Boyce Said...
No TSA screener needs to view my penis nor grab it in order to allow me to fly on an airplane -- period.

August 27, 2010 5:01 PM

Anonymous Said...
Give people a chance to comment. If you have to get one of these "rub-downs" (my name for them--there is no patting), you'll understand the headline. I got one in Chicago O'Hare, and it was horrible, disgusting, and truly shocking.

August 27, 2010 5:03 PM

Anonymous Said...
Do people visiting TSA headquarters get these sorts of pat-down gropes, Bob?

August 27, 2010 5:03 PM

Anonymous Said...
The front-of-the-hand grope is punishment for not going through the nude-o-scope. Think many people will refuse after word gets out on how invasive (read: sexually assaultive) the "pat down" is? It's all part of the plan. They don't want a lot of people refusing to go through the "scanner" because that backs up the lines, so they're going to make sure to instruct the TSA employees to be as obnoxious and offensive as possible.

August 27, 2010 5:04 PM

Anonymous Said...
The TSA is on a mission to both increase their own numbers and violate our constitutional rights. The TSA has yet to identify and detain a single terrorist.

August 27, 2010 5:08 PM

Anonymous Said...
ANOTHER reason to Not Fly...what next a "cavity" search probe???

This country is a mess


Just a sample of the reaction to Blogger Bob's little memo. More at the link.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

The terrorists have won.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 10:35 AM
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33. I would like to see the numbers if
"people who fly less than once a decade" are excluded from the sample. I wonder if the numbers differ at all among those for whom this is more than a philosophical exercise.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:26 AM
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37. No doubt most of those who favor it imagine a machine that lets you see just bones and metal objects
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 11:28 AM by slackmaster
:nuke:

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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:58 AM
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43. I bet that the company making these full-body scanners paid CBS a hefty sum for this poll.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:06 PM
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45. Agreed!!! +1000
I wonder how the TSA would react if you used metallic paint to put 'It's My Body" on your chest so that it showed up on the scanner? And then wait to see how long before that scan made it to the innertubes so you could sue.....
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 03:48 PM
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61. I'd almost fly to be able to write
"FUCK YOU TSA" on my chest in such a manner...
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:44 PM
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51. Would you bet on the timing of the incident that bought this new equipment?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab

Or that Michael Chertoff's firm lobbies for one of the companies making the machines?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/31/AR2009123102821.html

Because if you start doing that, you'll find you're teetering on the edge of the rabbit hole.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 08:53 PM
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77. Genuflect to the new RULERS
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undertakerlives Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:18 PM
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47. Fear mongering fools.
Terrorists are going to find a way to kill you if they want. If you need any confirmation of that, I found an article that can help you get over your irrational fears.

http://newsblaze.com/story/20101116084720j112.nb/topstory.html
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:29 PM
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48. 4 in 5 Deserve neither Freedom, nor Security.
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 12:34 PM by TheWatcher
If you choose to believe this Propaganda.

I hold out hope that this is just more bullshit that has been conveniently spun for consumption in the face of the backlash these measures have sparked.

If this is true, then America is truly lost.

A Nation Of Cowards and Go-Along Sheep have we become.

I do notice however, that the biggest defenders of this crap are curiously absent from this thread.

I wonder how long it will take them to come here and cool things down, and tell us how hysterical we are, and how much ado about nothing this all is, and how we should just submit and stop overreacting.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 03:00 PM
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53. Are these polls being used
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 03:01 PM by felix_numinous
as a substitute for actual voting? I am sure there are responsible poll takers, however they have the real potential to produce artificially created consent. I would rather vote directly to preserve my civil liberties, rather than have a private company select the questions and select who to ask.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 03:47 PM
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60. They are being used as Propaganda and Perception Mangement.
At least, that's what I hope.

If they are for real, we are screwed.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 03:41 PM
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56. It's shit like this that makes me 100% sure
that the human race in their collective stupidity and ignorance are going to render the Earth uninhabitable by the end of this last century...

Too fucking dumb to live...

Nature will chalk it up to another evolutionary dead end and try again with some other life form...
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 03:45 PM
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58. Maybe Anthony Edwards had it right in "Miracle Mile".....
"I think it's the insect's turn....."
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 03:50 PM
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62. That would be MY first guess
6 foot cockroaches -- puzzling through the general theory of relativity...


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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:06 PM
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63. POLL PROPAGANDA TO THE MAXXXXXXXXX!!!!!
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:06 PM
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64. What percentage supports flying nekkid?
Lends a whole new meaning to "conceal and carry," I'd think...

:shrug:




Laura
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:11 PM
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66. well lots of them are going to die of cancer
stupid idiots
and planes are still going to be hijacked and Europe is going to say NO
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:56 PM
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68. I Don't Buy It
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:49 AM
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75. I tend to not buy it either. n/t
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 09:49 PM
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73. Only the far-left and far-right oppose it
The regular Bush Republicans and Obama Democrats all support it. Sad. :(
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 10:05 PM
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80. They haven't had their cracks groped by some intellectual sub-human
with a double digit IQ
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 09:50 PM
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74. I wonder how many of the yes votes don't even fly?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 09:43 PM
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79. Every CROTCH GROPED one less vote for Obama
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Ruperto31 Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:45 PM
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94. Well, he approved it. And he still does.
President Obama has admitted that the procedure is "frustrating," but still supports it. The trouble is that voters have nowhere else to go except the Republican Party.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 10:48 PM
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81. Non-flyers, we presume?
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Johnny Harpo Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:34 AM
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83. This Will Change Quickly When They Started Watching....
their 12 year old daughters get 'patted down'.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:55 AM
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84. they asked for it and they are going to get it
Grope away TSA
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 06:28 AM
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85. 4 out of 5 probably fly rarely or never
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 07:24 AM
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86. They saw a picture of an airplane once
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 06:44 PM
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96. great pic of the inPalinator
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timo Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 09:26 AM
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88. I wonder
If your selected for the grope and before they grope you, you drop trow and flash them your junk....is that considered indecent exposure?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:14 PM
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92. Propaganda
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:49 PM
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95. Not any more. That poll was taken before people understood
what was going on. Now, most polls are the exact opposite.

Just saw one yesterday with as many participants and it was at approx 90% opposed to what is going on, along with over 500 comments the majority of which expressed outrage.
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