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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:38 AM Original message |
U.S. to Let Insurers Raise Fees for Sick Children |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:42 AM Original message |
Open enrollment, one month a year? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
93. This is what most people have if they work for a corporation |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. The entire open enrollment should |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #102 |
119. How do you prevent people from buying insurance only when facing high medical bills? |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #119 |
151. Sure everyone would pay |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #119 |
185. To answer the question in your subject line: SINGLE PAYER |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #185 |
194. I said I prefered that - but the reality - per Bernie Sanders - is that there are no more than |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #194 |
198. But then there's the affordability problem |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. I get that and all kids in families below some threshold |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #199 |
201. If it's a non-open-season policy change NT |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #201 |
202. It spoke of accepting them - but allowing a higher rate outside the enrollment period |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #199 |
207. See, they can't afford to pay more right now |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #119 |
230. That line of reasoning, right there, is why this country is so f*cked... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #119 |
236. Taxes, that sort of thing is exactly what taxes are for. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #236 |
244. Even if it managed to cut payments to providers in half... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #244 |
263. No offense, but I have no idea what you are saying. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
109. WE are going to do something about it .... question is WHEN ... !!! |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #109 |
179. answer is... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #179 |
232. Somehow I still have faith that the public will rise up ...... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #109 |
220. Obama was Great on Campaign Trail...but his Messages to his Voters Since..seems |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #220 |
231. Agree . . . Agree . . . Agree .... |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. And they wonder why there's an enthusiasm gap. |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. The enthusiasm gap |
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DollarsForDems (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
186. Why pick on the kids? |
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Ticonderoga (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
188. Buddy, that ship sailed long ago |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
2. I Think Somebody Has Lost Track of the Point of the Exercise |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Affordable Health Care |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. You Get the Prize! |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
56. I have to disagree... |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
251. And people want to give them power over healthcare |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
69. We have neither. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
101. Ding! Ding! Ding! nt |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
123. And with this bill we get neither. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
173. +1 n/t |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
237. Aye, there's the rub |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
260. Presently my mother, who has gov't. health insurance...94 years old |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #260 |
278. I am in the same boat caring for elderly mother---with Alzheimer's |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Guess the obvious answer is "no". It is a meaningless phrase to them. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. The problem, it seems, |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
156. Exactly, the whole saving |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. We don't get affordable healthcare with actuarially unsound premium schedules |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Single Payer Universal Health CARE |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. "Single Payer" describes a health insurance structure, not a health care structure |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. And yet All of Europe (With the exception of the UK) Manages to Pull It Off, Year after Year? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Yes, their procedures cost much less, and their populations are healthier |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. So in your opinion.... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Yes. Do you really think 100 million is anything more than a drop in the bucket? |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
137. Sad, but true |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
181. It's the Attitudinal Change |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #60 |
288. So then what is the... |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Yes, it has been tragic to watch Canada's descent into penury. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Well, actually some of the provinces are starting to have payment problems |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
155. Actually it would be a help to Medicare |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
261. Would you like to share some of those numbers? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #261 |
280. Which numbers? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
110. As long as we are footing the bill for Congress' health care + automatic pay raises every year .... |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
3. "Earlier this year, major insurers, faced with an unprofitable business,.." |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. On the other hand |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. BUT if you don't trust politicians, you VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE!!! |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. When was the last time you tried to vote someone out of office? Like say, W? |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
242. It's been hard enough trying to vote the R's out of the 3rd Congressional |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
112. Right wing propaganda -- as effective as the Nazi-era propaganda -- |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
249. YEA RIGHT, like that's a guarantee. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #249 |
305. "Wouldn't you rather trust a doctor with these decisions?" |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. AMEN, AMEN, AMEN... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
28. Exactly! nt |
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bigdaddycoles66 (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. That's why health-care insurance should not be a "for profit business." |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. Then why aren't non-profit insurance plans any better? |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
62. Non-profit insurers still have executive salaries to pay |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. OK, so let's pretend we cut through all that. Insurance costs go down by 12-17% |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. According to Wendell Potter the insurers have all sorts of ways of |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. OK, I'll grant that |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. $800 per month per household is a damned good start. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Way out of reach for me |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Thought you meant $400 to $800 a month less. No one's spit on saving $800 a month. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. I must have been extremely unclear. $800 per household would be the premium |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. No, I probably read too fast the first time |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. The way my keyboard's acting up I wouldn't be surprised to see I had written in Swahili |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #86 |
176. Wow! I'd give anything to pay $800 per month!! I pay more than twice that now... |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #176 |
240. Ho do you afford it? |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #240 |
262. Here's my budget: |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 06:59 AM Response to Reply #76 |
272. You have neglected an important factor: |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
113. Thanks for the info!! |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
182. And the massive paperwork! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #182 |
197. Medicare denies claims at a greater rate than any private insurer |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #48 |
281. My non-profit is a huge improvement |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
174. +1 n/t |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
4. Health Insurance is NOT Health Care |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. I think the light bulb is finally beginnng to come on for me.... |
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bigdaddycoles66 (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Keeping the same health plan that you like...is a ridiculous pursuit. |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. All that talk about "If you like your insurance, you can keep it" ? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
116. Nice post .... we also have a health care system NOT based on preventive care .... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
184. For most of the World for Profit Health Insurance is Illegal |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #184 |
277. Not quite the truth |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #277 |
295. Germany has something similar too... |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #295 |
300. I don't understand |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
256. Under most health insurance we are getting ripped off |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
6. I can't believe anyone could be shocked by this. |
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BillH76 (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Cherry picking has been replaced by price discrimination. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
97. Non-profits are raising premiums too. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #97 |
147. Only because it's currently for-profit - |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #147 |
189. I said "non-profits". Like my insurance. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #189 |
229. As long as the country is capitalist, everything is modeled on |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #189 |
245. Your not-for-profit insurance company is really a for profit corporation .............. |
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BillH76 (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #245 |
298. That isn't profit. |
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beforeyoureyes (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
117. When doctors and nurses were arrested at Senate Hearings without a peep from the Prez |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
8. And this is why -- |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
9. there just are no words..............betrayal hardly begins go cover it |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
23. WE threw away unprecedented political capital to pass this BULLSHIT. These motherfuckers. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
53. Post of the Day. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
41. What's the betrayal? Expanding access is going to cost money. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
80. Yes, we know expanding access costs money. It also saves lives. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. The entire defense budget (counting the 2 wars) was 1.1 trillion |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #88 |
154. I think Recursion.... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #154 |
200. I'm not trying to be contrary or to piss people off |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #200 |
253. Horseshit. Why does every other industrialized country have care for everyone |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:05 PM Response to Reply #253 |
255. They can afford care for everyone because they have far lower costs |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #255 |
279. Correct |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #88 |
168. And how much do we spend on FBI, CIA, homeland security, etc? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #168 |
193. FBI is about 8 billion |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 06:02 AM Response to Reply #193 |
269. Aren't hospital cost greatly affected by non-insured patients? |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
12. Well, well, well...more "who woulda thought" moments. It's only the begining. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Nibchee! |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
14. "buy such coverage at the last minute" |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Medicare, Part 'E' |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
44. It would face the exact same actuarial problems the private insurance companies do |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
63. A lot less then private companies could provide.... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Any evidence for that? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
132. $150 per month per person... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #132 |
139. Nope |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #139 |
148. You keep assuming that we must continue to pay twice as much |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #148 |
152. OK, you tell me what providers are going to make less under your plan |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #152 |
161. That's not my job... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
130. Much less that private |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. As I keep asking... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #135 |
163. They tell the suppliers of equipment, drugs and services |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #135 |
206. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #206 |
218. Was that a typo or a pun? |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
19. Isn't that special? The kids can get coverage IF their parents have money. |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
20. Profit before health of the children. DISGUSTING! |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
21. The ONLY way to make health care affordable is to take it out of the for-profit sector. nt |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. My health insurance is non-profit. Why isn't it drastically cheaper? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
84. You're raising that again? Being incorporated as a not for profit does not mean |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. You're still ignoring the definition of "non-profit"? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #89 |
111. I'm ignoring nothing. And the correct term is not for profit, as in not |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #89 |
235. Funny you should talk about definitions, given than "non-profit" doesn't mean what you think it does |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
121. I should have said get the "insurance" out of it. Actually, I should have just said |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
134. Because your "not for profit" insurance |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #134 |
149. That doesn't even make sense |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #149 |
158. And you are assuming that USAmericans getting GOUGED |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #158 |
183. well said |
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MsPithy (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
22. But, but, but, isn't the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
114. Oh, wow. I just remembered the WH's asking docs to show up in the lab coats. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
24. The more the fine print is looked at the stinkier this bill gets. The Dems.... |
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ArcticFox (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
25. I'm happy for one thing |
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bigdaddycoles66 (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. defending President Obama on this. |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
55. bullshit Big Daddy - OBAMA sold us out on |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
75. You have your terms confused. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
91. Rahm's a turd, but single payer was off the table during Obama's campaign. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
87. When did we have a single pay health care exchange program for the Republicans to eliminate? |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
108. Oh, the Republicans "eliminated" single payer? Fucking news to me............ |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
246. Obama will not revisit HCR. He got a bill and declared victory. n/t |
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Guilded Lilly (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
26. The sickest people in this country are the ones |
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Bonhomme Richard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
29. What if you don't insure your child? Does that mean that..... |
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colsohlibgal (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
32. Historic? Hardly |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
37. Does Mr. President not know that for-profit "health insurance companies" |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Aren't most of these insurers non-profits to begin with? |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. No |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I didn't know the big companies still offered children-only plans |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. That's why one big single payer pool is the only thing that makes sense |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Well, no: a big single-payer pool still has to pay out $2 trillion a year |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. Where are you getting the $2 trillion number fun |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Kaiser |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
100. Upthread, you said $400 to $800 per household. Now, it's $500 per person. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. It's simpler than I'm managing to make it sound |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #105 |
120. You really have no way of knowing how much single payer would save. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #120 |
128. Hospitals take Medicaid and Medicare. But try finding a primary care physician. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #128 |
140. Mass General has all kinds of doctors on staff including primary care physicians, dermatologists, |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #140 |
143. Umm |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #120 |
212. You're missing Recursion's point |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #105 |
133. There are more cost savings than that. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #133 |
141. My hypothetical took insurance companies completely out of the equation |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #141 |
196. Providers |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #74 |
282. Single payer does not guarantee lower costs |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #282 |
293. I have pity for you |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #293 |
296. Well, no |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #296 |
306. Well, yes it does lower costs |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #293 |
299. You missed some, got some |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #299 |
307. I think we agree more than disagree |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #307 |
311. From you link |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
238. No, most insurers are for-profit corporations. Furthermore, it has nothing to do with "non-profit" |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
42. Disgusting. |
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salib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
45. So, why did this not take 60 votes? |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
49. Wow, I just didn't see this coming at all. |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
51. and, of course, damn Obama, the ringmaster n/t |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
54. "We'll fix it later! Thank God it passed!!!!!" |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. From the insurers' points of view, they are "fixing it later" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #65 |
136. What if, in February 2009, Congress had passed single payer, |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #136 |
167. That would have made all the difference |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
210. Are you Insane? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
58. Way to crumble like aluminum foil, Mr. President. nt |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. It's a chess move |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
153. You cannot blame Obama for that. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #153 |
165. YES WE CAN |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #165 |
211. Exactly... ... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
79. In fairness, he's not crumpling like aluminum foil |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
81. OK, how does an insurance company pay for the treatments the kids get? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Sounds like raising rates on preexisting conditions... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. It won't in the long run, but they just have to make it to 2014 |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
72. Little sick kids don't vote or write checks to blood sucking... |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
73. This is why we need a mandate. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. We had a "mandate". It was called "the 2008 elections". |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #78 |
301. Winning an election does give a mandate |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #73 |
142. A mandate is fine if we're also talking single payer. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #142 |
146. A mandate is *necessary* if we're talking single payer |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
99. we pay the rich lot's of money to get TO our health care |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. What, we own doctors, nurses, and techs? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #107 |
127. Our as in American Healthcare System |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. I definitely care. I just think fighting about insurance is tilting at windmills |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #131 |
138. "...treatments cost so much. Not because of insurance companies" |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #138 |
145. When did I say insurance companies are good? |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
103. So tell me again how great this health care "reform" is. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Better than what there was |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #106 |
159. Which means for many it is still out of reach. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #159 |
195. So it's all or nothing? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #195 |
247. This just proves that giving kids with pre-existing conditions is unaffordable.................. |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #195 |
259. Obama and the Democrats could have done much better. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 06:24 AM Response to Reply #259 |
271. Well, that's why people should enroll their children during open enrollment |
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Thav (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
104. It all started with a lie... |
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beforeyoureyes (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
115. Disgusting. Change will only come from us. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
118. If the governmrnt didn't let them do it, the children would not be able to get insured |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. Basically, yes |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #118 |
267. Nonsense. Any Government with spine would stop catering to these |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #267 |
274. So, you admit that the government does not currently have the legal authority to force |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #274 |
290. It looks that way, or they wouldn't be doing this. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
124. Must I say it again? |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
125. This is a long way from the mandate to insure all children that we were promised. |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
126. BOY! I'm SUPER MOTIVATED to vote now! |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
129. It's a trade-off |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
144. here in France insurance cost depends on one thing, income |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #144 |
150. And you have fewer cars, fewer guns, less drug use, less obesity... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #150 |
169. And they have lower costs because they DEMAND THEM |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #150 |
170. we have one of the highest drug use rates in europe |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
157. All part of "fixing it later". |
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Scruffy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
160. Well we voted for a capitalist and we got one. |
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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
162. I searched the DU (like we are suppose to do)... |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #162 |
180. Apologies for stepping on your thread |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #162 |
208. You were in GD and not LBN |
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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #208 |
214. thanks for clearing that up |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
164. Did I hear someone say that healthcare in America is now a right? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
166. While some countries use private insurance as part or all of their system... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #166 |
223. True... I guess Obama was told we couldn't bring down Wall Stree and Insurance Co's at the Same Time |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #223 |
239. Evidently he was told to PAMPER both of them at the same time |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #166 |
292. +1 n/t |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
171. Obama, what's next...? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
172. Is it soup yet? What will it take, America? |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
175. Okay, I just got my absentee |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #175 |
187. If you need any motive to send in your ballot...... |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #187 |
190. I think you missed my point. I'll send it in. |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #190 |
276. The Reality Is..... |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
177. What a surprise. Not. n/t |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
178. Does anyone have to wonder why there is an "enthusiasm gap"? |
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orbitalman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
191. I am with EmiliyG... Disgustingly sick... |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
192. Bad decision |
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on point (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
203. And now the failure of health care without public option competition becomes clear |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #203 |
217. How would a public option have been better? |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #203 |
219. Right. TRUE competition lowers costs. The insurance companies.. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #219 |
257. Nonsense. Competition in health care will never do anything but raise costs |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #257 |
265. I think you misunderstood me |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 02:42 AM Response to Reply #265 |
268. OK. Got it. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #257 |
275. Why is Lazik the only medical procedure whose cost is dropping over time? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #275 |
302. Because it's optional, like an iPod. It is completely unnecessary |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
204. Why not just give children Medicare? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #204 |
216. Because the Medicare trust fund will be exhausted in 2029 as it is? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #216 |
222. So screw the kids, we have to pay for Afghanistan and Iraq! Is that it? nt |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #222 |
224. Well, we can't afford Iraq and Afghanistan either |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #224 |
225. I think we have to choose |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #224 |
226. We have a future without Iraq and Afghanistan, a better one. |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #226 |
227. Good point, IMO |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #227 |
228. Hey, you too. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #226 |
233. We need to find a way to pay for children's medical care |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #233 |
234. Well yeah. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #234 |
241. God no |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #241 |
264. So basically, you think we're too inept or inefficient or something? nt |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #264 |
283. I think everybody pretends this problem is simpler than it is |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #283 |
284. If I admit that the problem is complicated, will you admit we can do much better? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #284 |
285. I'm screaming at the top of my lungs that we can do much better |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #285 |
286. Done. nt |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #284 |
291. I agree that it's complicated. But you and I agree that.. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #291 |
297. Right, if they don't serve the public, they are useless and ought to be replaced |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
205. Enough already! |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
209. What the Hell is going on... |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #209 |
215. I don't think they're "incompetents" |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
213. I'm sure they'll fix it later... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #213 |
221. Sad Thing Is: "We are always PROMISED..."We will Fix it Later." |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #221 |
254. How is this not "fixing it later"? |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #254 |
308. do you not get it? |
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dark forest (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
243. Just had |
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Panaconda (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
248. It's all so grotesque |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
250. Well, maybe I won't vote this year after all. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #250 |
252. Because insurance companies are now required to enroll chidlren, even sick ones... |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
258. When you think what could of/should of been....sad state of affairs but no surprise at all. |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 06:23 AM Response to Reply #258 |
270. +1 |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #258 |
309. we could have, should have done SOOOOO much better than this |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 07:37 PM Response to Reply #309 |
310. Absolutely true, and that's what hurts so much. n/t |
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Kevin1a (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
266. In Corporate US, Business organize YOU!!! |
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docvet (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #266 |
273. $ for wars, death and slavery for the poor! |
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Kevin1a (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:43 AM Response to Reply #266 |
303. At the very least... |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
287. So, how has the DLC helped YOU today? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #287 |
289. By forcing insurers to offer coverage to my kids... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #289 |
294. Oh great and mighty insurance company, we thank thee for that bowl of gruel |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
304. Gotta Love the Blue Dogs |
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