Obama: Democratic Voter Apathy "Inexcusable"

[RamboLiberal]

Source: CBS News/AP

Admonishing his own party, President Barack Obama says it would be "inexcusable" and "irresponsible" for unenthusiastic Democratic voters to sit out the midterm elections, warning that the consequences could be a squandered agenda for years.

"People need to shake off this lethargy. People need to buck up," Mr. Obama told Rolling Stone in an interview to be published Friday. The president told Democrats that making change happen is hard and "if people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me folks weren't serious in the first place."

The midterm elections are in five weeks and polling shows that Republicans, out of power at the White House and on Capitol Hill, have a much more excited base of supporters than Democrats. Mr. Obama, campaigning this week in four states, is in a sprint to restore the voter passion that helped him win office.

Yet in his attempt to light a fire under supporters, Mr. Obama comes across as fired up himself about how many backers fail to acknowledge the progress he sees. He said the glass-half-empty view among many progressive voters can be a debilitating force that distracts them from the real worry: Republicans.


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[YOY]

1. I can think of a good many "inexcusable" things too...

n/t

[Jefferson23]

2. Yes, me too, and I believe he knows that as well. n/t

[saigon68]

99. Nice WAR he's putting on too

meanwhile Union Jobs go down the drain and Wall street and the rich feed at the public trough.

Am ass whipping is on the horizon for him and his cabal of appeasers

[Art_from_Ark]

6. Like making a radio ad supporting

the less progressive candidate in the Arkansas Democratic Senate primary.

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[Art_from_Ark]

16. I'll be voting for Governor Beebe

I'm not too excited about the Senator, but I really don't want a NW Arkansas Republican taking that seat.

[pattmarty]

20. I really don't think there is a hell of a lot of difference between..........

.......Lincoln and Boozman. I'm voting straight Green. I am sick and tired of getting taken for granted, now I know how a lot of blacks feel about the Dems.

[Art_from_Ark]

26. Well, I'm from the NW

and believe me, the NW Arkansas Republicans, like Boozman and the Hutchinson Brothers, are the wackiest in the state. Even wackier than Sheriff/Congressman Tommy Robinson was after he came out of the closet and officially switched from "D" to "R".

[pattmarty]

62. Me, North Central. How was your Tea party? I went to two just for........

........shits and giggles and it was a fucking experience. My town's pop is 12K and the April one had by my count approx 500-1000 people, and the other one in July(?) had maybe a couple hundred more.

[Art_from_Ark]

70. Sounds like Harrison or Mountain Home

Boone and Newton counties are worlds of their own, Baxter County is probably the 3rd or 4th most Republican of Arkansas' 75 counties. I can see where a "tea party" would be a big event in either of those areas.

I am currently living outside the state, so I can't comment on the local tea party event, assuming there was one. But it seems highly likely since Benton County is competing with Sebastian County to be the wackiest Republican county in the state. bu$h carried Benton County by 60% twice, and McCain/Palin also won by about the same margin. And McCain drew a crowd of rich supporters when he stopped by the ritiziest part of Rogers during the 2008 campaign.

[Demonaut]

64. our country has been on this path for a long time peeps

we're not gonna fix it in just two years

[breadandwine]

67. Yeah, like voting for people like Ralph Nader in 2000 couldn't POSSIBLY do any harm....

Enjoy your walkabout.....

[pattmarty]

86. Jesusfuckingchrist, the "Ralph Nader" bullshit again. Give it a fucking break.

[Catherina]

96. How come not one word of the even larger group, Dems who voted for Bush?

How conveniently you overlook that.

As conveniently as a certain segment overlooks the Dems now supporting that Republican Crist in FL even though there's a Democrat in the race.

Enjoy your temper tantrum and keep pretending people haven't been pleading and warning for months that our consciences can not take this.

Expanded drones in Pakistan, kids being killed in Afghanistan and their dead bodies played with as trophies, combat operations not at ALL over in Iraq. Mmmmmm, gimme more of that as you take away even more of my privacy and money for the fatcats.

[breadandwine]

68. Yeah, like what's the difference between Dems and Repubs, huh?

I think I'll sit out this election and play Monopoly.

Just like that old Phil Ochs song:

"Look outside the window there's a woman bein' grabbed. They've dragged her to the bushes and now she's being stabbed. Now maybe we should call the cops and try to stop the pain, but Monopoly is so much fun I'd hate to blow the game."


I agree that Obama is politically tone deaf and insensitive to the base.

But wouldn't it be great if the GOP took over?

What could possibly go wrong with THAT?????

Which consequence of that am I personally looking forward to the most?

Lemme see. Welp, I guess it would have to be mutated food after the EPA gets abolished. We've all heard of couch potatoes. But what I'm REALLY looking forward to is potatoes that have underarm hair. And smoke cigars.

Ah. I long for the days when Humphrey ran against Nixon. Humphrey, an old style liberal, nevertheless supported Johnson's Vietnam war. So lots of people refused to vote. And we got Nixon. HOORAY!!!!!

What could POSSIBLY have gone wrong with THAT?

Although he denied it, Nixon was in Dallas when Kennedy got shot. He was personally present at an assassin's planning meeting the night before CIA thugs machine gunned to death a Latin American leader. And his personal henchmen CIA agents E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis, later implicated in the Watergate scandal, were also in Dallas when Kennedy got shot. In fact, they were two of the "hobos" marched through Dealey Plaza by police and later released right after the Kennedy assassination and there is overwhelming evidence that Hunt and Sturgis were two of the gunmen on the grassy knoll, right behind the picket fence doing some of the shooting.

But who the hell cares!!!!

Humphrey STUNK!

8 YEARS OF FASCISM IS NO BIG DEAL!

I WANNA PLAY MONOPOLY!
I WANNA PLAY MONOPOLY!
I WANNA PLAY MONOPOLY!
I WANNA PLAY MONOPOLY!
I WANNA PLAY MONOPOLY!
I WANNA PLAY MONOPOLY!
I WANNA PLAY MONOPOLY!
I WANNA PLAY MONOPOLY!
I WANNA PLAY MONOPOLY!


Elections?

Phooey.

You think things could get any worse than they are now?

Of COURSE not!

Who needs Social Security?
Who needs Medicare?
Who needs a safety net at ALL!!
Depression is GOOD for you!
It'll toughen up the ones who SURVIVE!

Not many people know about this much, but during World War II the Vietnamese communists held their noses and joined forces with the anti-communists to fight against the Japanese invaders. They chose to settle their differences only after the war.

But never mind.
If you vote Democratic, YOU'RE A COMMUNIST.


So stay home.

[pattmarty]

87. And you're fucking paranoid.

[Catherina]

95. Who are you to tell other people how to vote? You're obviously getting what you want from this Adm

from this Admin. So vote for them, they represent your political agenda.

Those of us who are not being represented are under no obligation to vote for unending, expanded wars and the continuation of the Reagan/Bush/DLC destruction of America.

The callousness that Obama administration and his diehard supporters show the less fotunate day in and day out is something people like me want NO part of. The pre-election lip service isn't gonna work now that the actions contradicted all those pretty words.

I'm concentrating on progressive Dems who represent my interests and the issues, of great importance like war, that I care about. The rest can forget it and find their votes wherever they earned them.

[Roland99]

17. Guantanamo still open, PATRIOT Act used even more, "reform" written by target industry lobbyists

for starters.

[Poll_Blind]

3. This has now officially entered the realm of "phantasmagoric". n/t

PB

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[Prisoner_Number_Six]

5. You get what you pay for.

:shrug:

[No Elephants]

51. Which is why Nader suggests citizens hire lobbyists.

I guess it's "If you can't beat a corrupt system, become part of it."

[kiva]

7. "People need to buck up"

September 15: "Sarah Palin has a message for former top Bush aide Karl Rove: "Buck up.""
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/15/palin-says-karl-rove-should-buck-up/

Is this the new political meme?

[Dr.Phool]

29. Oh, I heard it wrong.

All I do is fuck up.

[kiva]

31. Maybe "back up"?

[No Elephants]

52. You must have missed his driving lesson.

[ixion]

8. Here is a good example of a tactical difference between Dems and the GOP

Dems 'admonish' their base, while repugs fire up their base, albeit into a frothing frenzy.

[bc3000]

9. How dare they put this on us now

I'm sorry, but "the alternative is worse" is not enough for me. If we reward these guys for kissing republican ass for two years why would they stop doing it?

[subterranean]

27. It's not fair to tar all Democrats with the same brush.

Only a relative handful (we know who they are) have been guilty of acting like Republicans and opposing progressive ideas like the public option and ending the tax cuts for the rich. I wouldn't blame you for staying home or voting third party if you live in one of their districts. But I don't, and I will vote against my Republican congressman and for my Democratic senator on Election Day.

[AndyTiedye]

45. But If They Lose They'll Kiss Repiggie Ass Even More

Every time the Democrats lose, they move to the right. EVERY TIME.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

82. Every time they win, too.

[Carolina]

55. excellent point

and totally agree :hi:

[pattmarty]

10. Ya know, I am getting fucking sick and tired of getting talked to like............

..............a goddamn six year old. If YOU would have done HALF of what you pledged when you were a candidate, you wouldn't be in the fix YOU are now in. People NEED a reason to keep HOPE alive and it's your fault and your goddamn "new Democratic" party that is to blame, NOT US VOTERS.

[pgodbold]

30. Ditto. nt

[AlbertCat]

35. If YOU would have done HALF of what you pledged

Like all other politicians have!.... :eyes:

Obama is not the bees knees, and he has even less to work with in Congress.

Would you rather the Repugs do even half of what they pledge?

Just hold your nose and vote Dem. It may suck, but it's the only thing to do right now.

Unless you believe that the USA needs to sink even further into the GOP quagmire before she "wakes up!"....

[pattmarty]

44. Look, I'm 63 yo and have held my fucking nose for the last goddamn time.........

.........You will not get CHANGE unless you force it. We have no Democratic party anymore. todays Dems politically/socially are what the Republican party was in the 50's & 60's. What I (and many, many others) want it the Democratic party of the 40's, 50's and 60's NOT these weak knee pseudo-Dems that we have now. At this time we probably have 20 Senators and 90-100 truly liberal Dems. Where I live there are Greens running for Gov, US Senate and US rep and I will be voting for every goddamn one of them. You go ahead and what you gotta do, I know what I will do. You can have it one of two ways, either you keep voting for the status quo and let the country die a slow death or vote for a party with some principles and if the Republicans get control (which they will and you know it eventually) and die quickly. I already have the President, Vice President and their lame ass press secretary preaching to me about how swell things are, so I don't need you to TELL ME who to fucking vote for.

[Iowa]

48. I agree completely. Well said.

[No Elephants]

57. You think we have 20? Cool. I thought fewer.

[pattmarty]

60. I think around 20 in the Senate, some more liberal than others............

........and probably 100 in the House give or take. I actually went through a list of the Senators once recently and figured around 20. I guess it depends on what one considers "liberal" and of course you have to figure in the elections which this time if we lose Feingold and a couple of others, it'll drop.

[No Elephants]

54. "Just hold your nose and vote Dem." Exactly why Democrats keep moving the country right.

They believe the left has nowhere else to go. So, the only ones they have to worry about are those on the right. So they go right. That causes the right to go further right, to distinguish themselves from center right Democrats. And the cycle continues.



"Just hold your nose and vote Dem. It may suck..."



And people wonder why so many Democrats are not excited about voting Democratic?



"It may suck, but it's the only thing to do right now."


Right now? In your opinion, when would be a good time to do something else? When our only choice has finally boiled down to Hitler or Mussolini? Is that when we should finally make a stand? And how would a boiled frog be able to tell when that time finally arrives? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

I will proudly vote for my rep, Mike Capuano. Among many other things, he voted with Kennedy against the Iraq War, the WOT and the Patriot Act.

I honestly don't know what I'd do if my choice were between a Republican and someone like Stupak. Would I have the courage to vote 3rd party or write in a liberal Dem, knowing I'd be helping the Pub win, even as I sent Dems a message? I hope I never have to make that choice. Maybe that's why I've always lived in blue states.

[pattmarty]

61. You're right and this time we were even told how stupid we would to...........

............stay at home or vote independent. Bad and worse, that is what our "two" party system has become. My Rep is retiring (Berry Ar-1) and the Dem replacing him is conservative, so I'm voting Green, and also for my Senator (Lincoln) I'll vote for the Green. It depends on who your Rep and Senator is also. If I lived in Wis I would vote for Feingold if I had to be wheeled to the voting booth.

[Iowa]

47. Exactly...

He has been the worst Democratic President in history, IMO. An epic sell-out and Republican wanna-be who never met a Republican he didn't love. Obama could switch his party affiliation overnight without changing one iota of his ideology or his agenda. He seems to think voters are apathetic. Well I'm not apathetic; I'm angry.

[Carolina]

56. Exactly!

Love your post and it is oh, so true.

[SammyWinstonJack]

66. He didn't sell out. He is just revealing who he really is. Some are just fine with that, sadly.

:thumbsup:

[quakerboy]

71. AS compared to

say Bill Clinton? Whats the big difference? And compared to Grover Cleveland? "in history" brings in a lot of comparisons.

[Iowa]

75. As compared to any President who wouldn't provide cover for...

...state-sanctioned torture, for starters. I'm not aware of any past Democratic President who aided and abetted torture, or covered for torturers. Maybe it's just me, but that's about as low as it goes. Furthermore, considering the devastation caused by his predecessor, the country was poised at the edge of a cliff and desperately needed a massive change, yet this guy has largely proceeded in the same anti-civil-liberties, war-mongering, corporate-giveaway direction as his predecessor. Combine all that with his relentless Republican boot-licking, and his epic corporate-whoring, and I can't think of a worse Democratic President - not even close.

[SammyWinstonJack]

63. +1

:applause:

[Bodhi BloodWave]

80. not refering to you specifically but

I have to say this in reply to your comment: if one acts like a six year old, then one had better be prepared to be treated as a six year old.

Fairly obvious in my eyes, besides i see Obama as being mostly straightforward and honest about his views and actions, I guess Obama might be wrong about one thing tho in regards to many Americans...they are not mature enough to be spoken to as adults which is how he speaks most the time.


And i somewhat disagree, a number of voters are to blame in part, there have been a number of comments about how democrats are running from bills that they helped pass(health-care et al), now here is an important question for those reading.

Assume that you are a congressman and you look to the right and see lots of complaints about it, then you look to the left and see a lot of complaints as well(a minority but a rather vocal one). Now are you going to stand by your vote or would you consider it safer to distance you from it? After all, both sides seems to oppose it

[pattmarty]

84. I wholeheartedly stand by my statement, and have no fucking idea.......

........what the fuck point you are trying to get across.

[ProSense]

12. Obama: Democratic Voter Apathy "Inexcusable"

Some people: No it isn't.


Have to say that I agree with the President.

[frylock]

21. Have to say that I agree with the President.

WOW!!1 i can't tell how surprised i am to read this.

[RedEarth]

43. Ditto

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[FiveGoodMen]

14. His decisions while in office have been inexcusable.

This statement on his part just doubles my resolve never to vote for him again.

We've been had.

[AlbertCat]

36. This statement on his part just doubles my resolve never to vote for him again.

We aren't voting for Prez this year.


You'll have to not vote for him in 2012.


This year, however......

[zogofzorkon]

15. "Folks weren't serious in the first place" tell me that too. Of course we

have some different folks in mind here. As for the glass half empty thing, show me the glass. I'm looking at a lot of dry crumbs and something to wash them down before choking would be nice.

[PSPS]

18. Adios, one-termer president milquetoast.

[boppers]

81. Hey, let's dump him like we did with Carter!

What's the worst that could happen?

[independent_voter]

85. do you think that graphic really wins people over? nt

[boppers]

91. What graphic?

Are you talking about my LOLbama?

Many more images here:
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/

[on point]

19. but understandable given Obama's performance

Perhaps the dems are finally catching on that we aren't willing to be played for suckers anymore.

Give us something positive to vote for!!

We aren't interested in a giveaway to the health industry, even if you call it health care reform.
We aren't interested in corp bank giveaways even if you call it financial reform

If you want to know the source of your problems, don't look at the voters, look in the mirro.

DUMP THE RIGHT WING DLC

and perhaps we will be more energized.

I did vote for you, but this fall I'll vote green just to drive home the message, cause you sure weren't listening all last year when people were writing and calling the white house and their congressional reps to deliver on health care reform via at a minimum a public option

Or to put it another way

I'll come home to the democratic party when you do!!

[frylock]

22. quit whining

[Monique1]

23. The green party

in my state has been infiltrated by the republicans.

[Hosnon]

24. Why does the Administration seem to think that lecturing/berating us is the best way to go? nt.

[jaxx]

25. The Rolling Stone article....Obama in Command

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/209395

7 pages, full article.

[Zenlitened]

37. Thanks for the link. - n/t

[handmade34]

28. I support President Obama

and I agree... no excuses to run away and not fight hard to make the Democrats be Democrats...

I am voting Democratic... one word "Speaker Boehner" :scared:

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[Phlem]

33. Really?

So basically our choice is a shit sandwich or a runny shit sandwich.

When does this bullshit end!!!!????

-p

[Zenlitened]

34. Well, there you have it. The "you're being childish" talking point...

... and the "you never really supported him" talking point, right from the President's mouth:

"if people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me folks weren't serious in the first place."

Wow. :wow:

For a group that ran one of the most politically savvy campaigns in American history, they've sure been filling the air with a lot of dumb.

I'll be interested to read the Rolling Stone article for his thoughts on the idea of a squandered agenda, for sure.

[KakistocracyHater]

94. we've been had +1,000,000,000 Having Rick Warren wasn't an accident

but a preview of Obama's true agenda. He said whatever it took to win the popularity contest, & he's INTELLIGENT, he KNOWS what he's doing.

[ScreamingMeemie]

38. "if people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me folks weren't serious in the first

place." Apparently we were the ones who were serious, Mr. President.

[Amonester]

69. Yep. It seems he dropped the ball as soon as he picked

that DLC operative Rahm, continued to pander to everything the repubs (and DINOs) wanted, picking some of them for key positions in his cabinet (What? No competent enough DEMS could do these jobs? WTF?), and failing to counter attack the crazy tea-bagsters and expose their idiocies 24/7 on all channels.

It's been all the way downhill since then! From the guy who campaigned on closing Gitmo, holding the health-insurance CEOs accountable with a PO, and no mandates (because they don't work...), and so many other 'exciting' stuff... that were URGENT THEN to save the country.

Mirror, mirror, tell me folks weren't serious in the first place, and projecting that idiocy on them should make them vote for us! Guess what, it looks like the projectionist is being served a check mate.

Too bad the People have been served the same...

[onehandle]

39. ...yet understandable. nt

[CLANG]

40. If people here want to give everything back to the republicans

count me out. The teabaggers and the ugly un-American congressfolk in the Republican party need to be hit down hard. I will vote straight dem ticket because the consequences of the republicans back in control is unthinkable. And if we blow this election, the chances of a Republic President become much higher. "I told you so" is not going to help anybody.

So BUCK UP and VOTE!

[queerart]

41. Funny Stuff!

Now the main stream Democrats are being pushed, prodded, threatened, and chastised with the same schoolmarmery that the Queers get at every election.....


How's that dose of salts to the system?


Is the President saying to STFU about that "pony", "pet project", "special rights", (add your own descriptive pejoratives here) that weren't delivered on even though a "fierce promise" had been made?


Reality really is stranger than fiction...... you just can't make this crap up..... and what a way to garner votes, shoe leather, and money for the cause......


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[HereSince1628]

42. I just wonder, did Rahm recommend cattle prods or tazers

for the leftwing that he and the ProfessionalDems have been demoralizing for a year and a half?

[Zhade]

46. As inexcusable as not prosecuting war criminals? Continuing torture?

Giving a trillion bucks to the same banks that collapsed the economy? Rewarding health insurance corps who are killing us?

Wiretapping American citizens illegally? Targeting them for assassination, also illegally?

Dragging your feet on equal rights for GLBT folks through odious DADT surveys? Holding a bigoted view that marriage is only between a man and a woman?

Creating a deficit commission headed by notorious anti-Social Security conservatives who shouldn't even be looking at SS at all since it doesn't add to the deficit?

Bombing innocent Pakistanis in illegal cross-border warfare? Doubling down on Afghanistan? Maintaining the demonstrable lie that combat operations are over in Iraq?

I could go on and on about what's truly inexcusable.

[Iowa]

50. Well said. I agree.

[No Elephants]

58. Exactly why we have to vote Republicans out! Oh, wait....that was 2006 and 2008.

[Hardrada]

92. Splendid summary of what's wrong.

I won't support Obama again but will vote for a few progressive Dems in my area. Best I can come up with before I look to some other ideologies.

[Q3JR4]

49. That's right o, if you can convince your base

to ignore your inaction with more pretty words, I'm sure that will energize them.

"Scary republicans are gonna get ya", says o, but riddle me this; what has changed other than the rhetoric?

Q3JR4.

[Zavulon]

53. I don't like it, but I certainly understand it.

Troop surge in Afghanistan, Gitmo still open, green light on offshore drilling, that miserable health care "reform" when we had a chance at Medicare expansion or single-payer...

...and the worst thing is that a lot of people who were employed under Bush are unemployed now. I know several Democrats who are staying home on Election Day, and as a matter of fact I live with one.

[No Elephants]

59. Fucking retards, on drugs, inattentive, inexcusable, never meant it

Well, I know all that got me rarin' to vote. How about you?

What's the genius political strategy here? "Democrats must masochists, so let's make ourselves irresistable to them by being abusive."

[Yeahyeah]

65. Garsh,I hope it's not state secret type inexcusable.

[TheWatcher]

72. Failing to do anything to hold War Criminals accountable is inexcusable as well, Mr. President.

Just sayin.'

Oh, THAT'S RIGHT, you've "Moved On."

"For The Good Of The Country."

Please PARDON this lowly serf's indignant indiscretion.

:eyes:

[andym]

73. He's right. We're in the midst of a "change of inertia"

when it comes to balancing equality and freedom, and to the role of government. The inertia of "government is the problem" and complete freedom for corporations to do whatever they wanted with fewer and fewer regulations that has been with us since the Reagan days is finally ended. Movement for the last two years has been for expanded government, the idea that government is effective and benevolent, which is the key to progressive advance in America. Movement has been to increase equality, by better ensuring that almost everyone can get health care (which is anathema to Republicans), the first major, though modest increase in the social safety net since the early 70s.

What I'm saying is that there will be no single-payer or strict anti-corporate power regulations until the government is viewed as efficient and benevolent by more than a majority of citizens, in most of the regions of this country. That's beginning to happen now, and keeping the moderates in place who have started the move toward the left is critical for the new inertia to be maintained.

Turning such a large mass as American public opinion around is hard work, and slow, but once people can be convinced that government is not the problem, but part of a potential solution, the power of progressivism should grow, just as the opposite happened when Reagan was President.

[newspeak]

74. I'd say some are looking at this the wrong way

I'm voting because I've got the Angle Teabagger against Reid--but I'm also voting because I want more democrats to win in Congress, and then, I want to see if we get a strong majority in both houses if this administration will actually put some progressive, regulating bills on the table. Because, ya know, there won't be no more excuses--it won't be those terrible repugs of "no" made us pass this repug corporate health insurance bill.

And, if the repugs do get a majority in one of the houses, the administration will probably start privatizing the shite out of everything and say "well, there's nothing we can do because those repugs are making all of the rules."

I want a democrat strong majority and I want to see where they go from there. It won't be repugs being blamed for passing repug bills.

[Catherina]

97. "It won't be repugs being blamed for passing repug bills"

No, it will be Democrats who, in appalling record time, established a very sorry track record of continuing the very same neocon policies we were promised would be changed.

[agincourt]

76. I'll vote like I did in '08

against getting 2 new wars. One abroad somewhere and one to home. I do wish we had more choices though. I think a strong 3 party system would help this country. Kook right, center and liberal. Kook right couldn't steal so much from the center then.

[jzodda]

77. The President's right....

To hand this county over to the tea party is like re-electing Hoover in 1932. Vote to keep them from taking back the house and possibly the senate.

At the same time though I am sickened by the general lack of hard campaigning on the part of Dems in general. Those Dems who are most vulnerable now sound like tea party people.

[independent_voter]

78. Republicans generally do NOT insult their base

and people can make all the arguements about how 'they're different', 'that's different', etc, and it's not

a lack of tact with people who have legitimate concerns and do not have legal contractual obligations toward you is a risky strategy that can and does backfire

I remember that my mom said Carter lost her with the 'Great Malaise' speech in 1979, as an active Democrat, she felt very insulted to be blamed for his difficulties

That tactic didnt work for Carter, and it won't work for Obama/Biden either. Biden was around back then, he should know better

"I would rather try to persuade a man to go along, because once I have persuaded him he will stick. If I scare him, he will stay just as long as he is scared, and then he is gone. "

Dwight D. Eisenhower

(of course, he would have executed you for desertion in WWII - LOL, but you get my point - the quote stands as far as politics go)

the point is he's playing 'chicken' with the base, that they'll put their tails between their legs and say "yes sir!"

instead of joining the never ending stream of people who walk away and dont look back

[independent_voter]

79. neither party has done anything to really address globalism/"free" trade

which I feel is the foundation of our difficulties

the economy has been hollowed out, and has been maintained by borrowing and money supply games and bubbles

that's not sustainable, period

It can't be turned around quickly, and I would be patient if it were communicated to me that this issue was being taken seriously, but so far I dont see it with either party

right or wrong, an awfull lot of people feel this way, I know I do

and until I hear this issue taken seriously, I wont have any enthusiasm for either party, no matter how much anyone scolds me (although I might become irritated)

[Occulus]

83. Jesus, he sounds like a floor supervisor

:wtf:

No, seriously.

:wtf:

[independent_voter]

89. what's next "you need 15 pieces of flair, minimum"?

sounds dangerously close to it

"after all, we cant attract votes if we dont look happy - now get to it!"

[independent_voter]

88. "your lack of enthusiasm is inexcusable"

that's perhaps the most arrogant political message I have ever heard

[lutefisk]

90. Uh-oh. This sounds like the administration's "Jump the Shark" moment.

With a bit of arrogance, insult, and blame-the-victim thrown in for good measure.


:eyes: :nopity:

[Hardrada]

93. He knows we will still be comforted by "guns and religion."

Remember that bit of elitism revealed in a leaked audio before the election.

[Catherina]

98. Democratic voter: Administration Apathy to base "Inexcusable". n/t