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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:23 AM
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Schwarzenegger says raising taxes may be unavoidable
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Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger hinted that raising taxes may be unavoidable, acknowledging he is under extreme pressure to increase the state's revenue to offset a $14 billion budget shortfall.

Schwarzenegger, who has opposed new taxes, said on Tuesday it would be "wishful thinking" to assume the state would not increase taxes.


See:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/03/31/state1004EST0037.DTL

I wonder what happened to all the fraud and waste he was supposed to find? And why wouldn't the republican minority block any tax increase? They did so when Grey Davis was governor.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:25 AM
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1. I sought he vas goingk to open da boooks!!!
Wasn't that the Governator's magic plan for solving the state's financial woes - a cursory romp through the budget that would unearth billions and billions in savings?

Oh, you mean that didn't work out? Gosh, what a shocker!
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:44 AM
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15. And getting more money from Washington. . .

"I will be the Collectonator," he said moronically.

And the dumb Schmuck actually believed Washington politicians liked and respected him when they swarmed for photo ops with him. How naive.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:48 PM
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27. Yeah he promised to open da books and look at everything,
and I have a few coworkers who swallowed that line as a brilliant strategy! Problem is the State budget is a public document and you can even view it online, it's not like the book wasn't already OPEN!!

Dumbasses. I can't wait to bring this up when the tax hikes arrive.

Hey, I thought he was gonna open da books and the problem would be solved? And oh yeah, What happened to that $15 Billion Bond money already? You mean Ahnold presented only a half-ass solution as a full answer?


!@!@$!@$!@%^#^@^!@#%!!!!!
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:37 PM
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34. And taqs dee Indeeans!
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 05:38 PM by MisterP
Might as well try and tax Arizona...
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Insider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:26 AM
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2. this country has gone to hell
gray davis was elected governor, and they stole it. no different than florida & the supreme court.

the actor and his handlers will now raise taxes. unbelievable.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:29 AM
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4. Yup, yup
And Ahnuld may find himself a lame duck very soon. Then, maybe we can get back to living in the real world. In the long run, their theft of the governorship may defeat them. If Gray Davis had had to run, they could have gotten a full-term governor. Instead, we just have to put up with this clown for a while.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:28 AM
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3. ACHTUNG!!!! I AM TO BE RACING DA TAXES!!!!
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 11:29 AM by Dr Fate
!!!!
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:32 AM
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5. "And why wouldn't the republican minority block any tax increase? "
Umm I believe the majority is Democratic :shrug:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:40 AM
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11. It's the way the voting scheme works in CA...
I dont know the exact #s, but you have to get a LOT of votes to raise taxes in CA...

DEMS even tried to put a measure on the ballot (it failed, I believe) to make it easier...
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:55 AM
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18. Takes 2/3 approval for budget and tax
issues. Dems are the majority but they don't have 2/3. Our well informed, good government populace :eyes: did not pass the Proposition that would have reduced the amount needed. As it works now, the minority holds out and gets bribed with boondoggles to get their vote. So California spends too much money on programs that don't help all. It's very corrupt.

One of my biggest frustrations about California and I have many.
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:33 AM
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6. Surprise?!
I'm shocked
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:36 AM
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7. oh what a shocker
what arnie did not find demons but found he will need to raise taxes?

Damn hot I tell you!

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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:38 AM
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8. Read My Lips, AhhhhssHooooole! No Second Term!
What an idiot.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:38 AM
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9. Well, knock me down and call me Shirley!
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 11:39 AM by rocknation
He might have to RAISE TAXES? Unbelievable! Well, as long as he doesn't raise the car tax, he'll can justify being elected.

So he's fourteen billion in the hole? I know where he can pick up a quick nine billion...



rocknation



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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:39 AM
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10. Of course the other shoe drops...
It should surprise no one. I'm sure a few rightists will crap their pants. They should have known better. Schwarzenegger will be able to do things that Davis never could have.
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:40 AM
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12. I'm curious to see what he does
will he tax the hell out of poor people (user fees etc)...or will he tax the rich (that is where the money is)!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:43 AM
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13. The difference between Democrats and Republicans:
Democrats will tell you before the election that raising taxes are inevitable. Republicans will lie to you and only tell you after they get elected.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:58 AM
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19. Exactly, and Bush's amnesty program makes Gray Davis look xenophobic
I bet he'll follow former Gov. Pete Wilson (who was Arnold's campaign manager) and implement regressive tax policies (e.g. increase in sales tax).



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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:43 AM
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14. Hey Arnold,
Fuck you!

Stupid ass voters in California voted for a movie star only because it would be "fun" to have a movie star as Governor.

His "big idea" was that all these new jobs that would be created because he rolled back the "car tax" would make up the revenue in the form of income tax. Of course that didn't happen, however, he fooled the masses into thinking the problem would go away if they simply charged the debit away with a bond. This insanity isn't going to stop until the inevitable full scale collapse of the economic system in this country.

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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:48 AM
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16. For those that don't know let me let you in or a little secret
This recall that put Schwarzenegger in the governor's chair was never about doing what's best for the state of California. It has and was about the Republicans stealing the governor's chair. There is a very good reason why the Republians backed Arnold over the more capable Tom McClintock.

The reason is if they had backed McClintock then Davis would still be governor. They all knew what the real problems were facing the state and they also knew full well at the time that it is going to take real tax increases to pay the fucking bills. The people of California either did not know this or are complete idiots because they thought with the shortfalls they were facing they could cure it with an untried action hero facing the same obstacles Davis was facing.

Now that they have the governor's mansion they will over time let everyone know that voted for Schwarzenegger know that he has to do the same thing we got Mr. Davis out for.
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Insider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:53 AM
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17. agreed, except
another or:
or the election rested in the hands of those who counted the votes. i'll never believe that he won legitimately.

Q: how do you know when an actor is not acting?
A: when james baker says "Cut! that's a wrap people"
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:15 PM
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24. He wasn't legally elected. The SOS had the voting machines tested a
few months ago and they didn't pass certification. He's not the governor. I think he was installed to steal the state for Bush(e-voting). Everybody's looking elsewhere, while they're quietly installing the machines. Of course the Dems are actly like nothing's wrong. Sometimes I think the Dems are getting are geting paid to lose.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:58 AM
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20. Hahahahahahaha What a fraud.
I wonder what kind of taxes he's going to raise. It won't be property taxes. The rich won't like that. It won't be state income or capital gains, the rich won't like that. Let's see that leaves, sales tax. A nice regressive tax that primarly hurts the poor. He could also give Californias a choice. Raise sales tax or get rid of medicaid. Pit the poor and healthy against the poor and sick. That's the rethuglican way. These people are pure evil.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:01 PM
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21. Bait and Switch
Bait and switch Republicans striking another blow for dishonesty.

O
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:06 PM
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22. Ya mean those record setting bonds didn't do the trick?
I might be wrong, the whole thing offends me so much I haven't paid full attention, but didn't he get some huge bonds that fucked with Cali's bond rating and basically enslaved the next generation with horrid payments? So, now, as everyone else has said, he needs to negate the overkill of the recall and do what Davis would have done?

Cheeerist. How dumb can a poplace be? You elect a bad actor, who makes bad movies, who has been a bad busienssman (two bankrupcties with Planet Hollywood) to solve your economic problems? Some folks shouldn't even be allowed near a voting booth. :eyes:
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:08 PM
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23. "When you wish upon a star...."
What happened to all that waste?! Thank God they don't need the car tax!
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:24 PM
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25. well, duh
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:08 PM
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26. Read his lips, then?
Gee, Arnold. Not so easy to solve problems or govern now, is it? Unless, of course, this were a dictatorship and you were the dictator, maybe?
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:56 PM
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28. what about the $9 billion Enron stole?
can't he just call up Ken Lay and ask for that back? they ARE friends,aren't they?
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Undemcided Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 02:02 PM
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29. This will haven to happen.
n/t
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 02:06 PM
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30. He's certainly "Das Volken Governator"
....you know, a "Governor for the People", the RICH people that is!!!
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 02:38 PM
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31. :-) |||||||||||||||\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\V///////////////////||||||||||||||| (-:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004058

My Economic Policy
California needs someone to terminate taxes.

BY ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:01 a.m. EDT

I have often said that the two people who have most profoundly impacted my thinking on economics are Milton Friedman and Adam Smith. At Christmas I sometimes annoy some of my more liberal Hollywood friends by sending them a gift of Mr. Friedman's classic economic primer, "Free to Choose." What I learned from Messrs. Friedman and Smith is a lesson that every political leader should never forget: that when the heavy fist of government becomes too overbearing and intrusive, it stifles the unlimited wealth creation process of a free people operating under a free enterprise system.

And that is the essence of the economic and fiscal crisis that confronts the state of California today. Over the past five years our state budget has grown nearly three times the pace of inflation. Our debt burden has risen by more than the other 49 states combined. The matrix of onerous regulations we impose on property owners and businesses has made the cost of doing business in California almost twice as high as in neighboring states. Our tax rates have become among the highest in the nation.

And perhaps worst of all our governor, Gray Davis, has created a counterproductive culture in Sacramento where businesses and entrepreneurs that dare make a profit are treated as if they are enemies of the state. Mr. Davis says he wants jobs, but he has done everything possible to chase away job creators. Thanks to the economic policies of this administration, for the first time in California history more native-born Americans are leaving this state than are moving here. No one would confuse the destructive economic policies of Gov. Davis and Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante with the pro-growth ideas of Milton Friedman or Adam Smith.
(snip)
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:32 PM
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32. LOL... good luck California. This is was your choice.
Americans are fools.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:31 PM
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33. Is this part of that idea of the tyranny of the majority (of the foolish)
:hurts:

Really not worried though, California has absorbed so many things and spun them out to different parts of the world, that I would would be careful on the other end with the false accolades. There could end up an Arnie in your future :scared:
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:44 PM
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35. Pipple oaf Collyfor-nee-a, :
BENT OAFER!!!!!!

:spank::spank::spank::spank:

You like yor toxes raced, ja?
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:31 PM
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39. LOL! I see stardom in your future... n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:03 PM
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36. Surprise,Surprise!
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 06:04 PM by goclark

I told my Democratic friends that planned to vote for Aaanold that it would be a mistake. But, oh no, they believed that he would be bipartisan-LOL and give them their $250 back on their car license fees( LOL/ we got the silly $2** $$'s back and we STILL are getting our taxes raised.)

And for those that have children in a CA college, forget it. You may get your refund of $2** but just wait until you get the bill for your kid's tuition for $2000+ more than you expected.

This man is The Emperor with Neocon Friends in the White House, wants to carry CA for the Repubs and has a Kennedy wife that he is using ,and possibly abusing, as a shield for his right wing beliefs.

He is a a Phony on steroids, an abuser of MANY women and a pompous idiot.

ATIHIRF = And That Is How I Really Feel
:grr:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:10 PM
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37. The customary Bushevik Hypocrisy
:puke: :puke: :puke:

Asshole. To think I used to like the guy!

And his creepy Raygun Double-Lobed Orange-Hair is either Orwellian or Psychotic.

(what a choice!)
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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:26 PM
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38. A Scene From "California Commando"
Scene: Gropenfuhrer Assengrahber holds the panicking State of California by its ankle over a cliff.

Assengrahber: "Remember, Cally, when Ah said Ah wouldn't raise tahxes?"
California: "Yeah! Yeah, Gropenfuhrer! You said that!!"
Assengrahber: "Ah lied."

Assengrahber lets go and California plunges into the abyss.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:37 PM
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40. LOL! You write the screenplay, Aristus plays Arnold, and
we've got ourselves A HIT! :bounce:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:43 PM
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41. Well, well, well.
I'll repeat what I've said before: I'd like to find every progressive in California who voted for the Rove-backed, Ken Lay-friendly, pro-Nazi sexual predator and stab them in the eye with a sharp stick.

We warned such people not to vote for the guy, but they foolishly believed him. Thanks for saddling us with this freak.

Idiots.

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theoceansnerves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:53 PM
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42. oh for fuck's sake
people just fucking passed his bond measures, and now he says he's going to raise taxes anyway?

argghghh

wake up!!

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