Bush team wanted Iraq war from start'

[Ichingcarpenter]

Source: AFP

Declassified documents have reveled that advisors to former US president George W. Bush had focused on justifying a new war on Iraq as soon as he took office.


Official document released on Wednesday show that a few hours after the 2001 attacks on the Twin Towers in New York, the then Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of attacking Iraq.

Papers posted by the Washington-based National Security Archive shows Rumsfeld discussing war plans for Iraq just two months after the 2001 US invasion of Afghanistan.

In memos dated November 27, he had listed justifications for the war on Iraq.


The documents released under a Freedom of Information request also show that White house claims of Iraq pursuing a nuclear weapons program based on confiscated aluminum tubes were also fabricated.

Read more: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/143613.html

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War of aggression is a War Crime



A crime against peace, in international law, refers to "planning, preparation, initiation, or waging of wars of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing" . This definition of crimes against peace was first incorporated into the Nuremberg Principles and later included in the United Nations Charter. This definition would play a part in defining aggression as a crime against peace.


During the Nuremberg trial, the chief American prosecutor, Robert H. Jackson, stated:


'To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.'

[Botany]

1. Old news

In 1999 or 1998 (?) W told a Houston Paper that when he was President how
his war in Iraq would go.

According to Bob Woodward W, Rummy, Cheney, and Wolfowitz went to the
Pentagon to discuss war plans w/ Iraq in Dec. 2000.

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. It may be old to you and me put not the public with the govt documents

Notice that the French news agency is covering this story right now.
Still nothing so far from the other agencies.

The documents prove now that what was reported before was not

'HEAR SAY' evidence
as said by the Bushies which I think is very important.

[global1]

19. Exactly - Up Till This - All Of These Claims Were Hearsay.......

with these documents released under FOI - there is concrete proof.

Interesting that this is coming out right when two new books are scheduled to be coming out. One by Dubya himself and the other by Rumsfeld. I wonder if they're going to have to go back and make some edits now that this information is out? It will be harder for them to lie about this now.

I don't think the statute of limitations ever runs out on 'war criminals'. Maybe there is hope yet that we will see justice done.

Finally we're starting to connect the dots. Who knows what other dots will be connected in the future regarding this failed administration of BushCo.

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. I expect the Europeans to do something first with this info

Since the Hague is where the process starts anyway.
I don't expect the US to do anything for years since
the Justice system is loaded still with Bush 2 Bush1 and Reagan appointees.

We shall see,
hopefully, something happening in my lifetime.

[jhrobbins]

144. Not only the BushCo appointees, but Obama himself seems reluctant

to 'go there'.

[RaleighNCDUer]

48. Is that hearsay or heresy?

Considering the religious aspects of the war, Bush's crusade, I'd say anything that disagrees with the official story would have to be called heresy.

[global1]

54. Funny You Should Ask That? ......

when I was posting my response I almost typed heresy and laughed.

[femrap]

63. To get Rummy into

France....and arrested. Then sent to The Hague. Hey, I can dream.

[hendo]

149. It is common knowledge and has been for ages

but, are you saying we should really trust the french media? The same media that let Szarkozy push through internet censorship and sat back while Szarkozy's representatives in the European Parliament pushed the Gallo report which legalizes internet censorship in all of the EU?

[Ichingcarpenter]

178. Red Herring and you know it.

The freedom of information releases are public.
This has nothing to do with your attack on the french news agency.

I guess you should wait for Fox to report this.

[INdemo]

18. Does anyone think the withdrawal of our troops and the signed oil

contracts by major U S and British oil companies is coincidental?
Soon after the oil contracts were signed, all of a sudden the withdrawal talk became more serious.

[dmosh42]

74. Nice catch! That's why we were there!

And although it is a criminal offense to take a country to war for personal reason, (Like Hitler & Poland) it won't happen here because of a collaborating president and a useless Att'y Gen'l.

[INdemo]

96. This fact some how got buried among the Media groups..Even back when the puppet

was President,when Shell and other major oil companies got a signed agreement, Iraq withdrawal talks began..but then the excuse was "the Iraqi troops can handle it now"..when just a few weeks before they were incompetent..Yep it was the oil and the media allowed them to get away with ..It is sad that we lost 4000 Americans for the sake of oil.

[gateley]

177. That's what I'd always heard - that Cheney had the oil "distributed" to

four oil companies before we went in.

[OnyxCollie]

179. Did I miss the hydrocarbon law passing?

I know about the Qurna oil field. Did they (oil companies) just give up on getting it passed and make a deal anyway?

I read about Hunt Oil jumping the gun and making a deal with the Kurds, all with the blessing of the bush state dept. That caused an uproar in Baghdad.

[defendandprotect]

86. This is the news we need to know -- and to be reminded of over and again--!!

[HillbillyBob]

141. I have all kinds of snarky stuff i could say. Yes reminders every day

to all the baggies.
Now if we could get msm to actually cover it.

Personally we were already working toward going green because of the way that oil companies screw over the rest of us.
All this crap made us more determined and we have lessened our need for fossil fuels by about 75% in 3 yrs without going broker..We could not afford the power and heat bills. We had to do somethng and we are glad we did. I want to be able to tell the coal burning power company and the oil cos to Bite Me and quit killing to our 'benefit'.

[defendandprotect]

155. Unfortunately, I think a lot of Americans still believe the fiction of our "need" to

go to war on Afghanistan and Iraq --

Corporations can only exist if we continue to support them -- of course, Obama is also

supporting them like crazy -- $36 billion in loans for the notorious nuclear power industry!

Don't know what you did -- but congratulations! If you have any secrets to share with the

rest of us, please let us know!

Meanwhile . . .




We've got 7,000 troops and 46 warships off of Costa Rica right now using the

Drug War for an intervention in their affairs -- and the Drug War provides endless

opportnity to intervene in many other nations' affairs.

[Taverner]

133. Yep

Hell, the Downing Street memos have this in them

[swilton]

145. + 1,000

Acting like this is news now is a distraction from holding those in power accountable for doing diddley squat during the past 2 years to hold these thugs accountable, et. al.

[rocktivity]

2. Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award

I figured that out the minute I read about the anthrax being used in the media attacks being traceable back to Baghdad! No wonder he ignored that August memo!

:eyes:
rocktivity

[perdita9]

46. The Media called us Buffoons the first time this came up

I'd like a mea culpa from all of them, starting with Rupert Murdoch.

[bjobotts]

150. Where's Jon Stewart now calling the left "crazy fringe" for saying Bush should be arressted for war

crimes??? This "both sides do it" crap just doesn't hold water here Jon. Trying to make up equivalencies ...sorry but the right is crazy and the left is just accurate.

[Turbineguy]

3. I said as candidate he would invade if made President.

Once. I'm sure his handlers told him to not say it again.

[barbtries]

56. do you mean HE said that?

at any rate it was no surprise to me - i knew if he was president he would throw a war. the reality turned out worse than i had foreseen of course.

[defendandprotect]

87. Think in one interview, W Bush, maybe before he was candidate .. said needed war with Iraq...

[Turbineguy]

126. Typo. He said it.

[bluedave]

5. DADDY

made him do it

[Dr.Phool]

6. Former Treasury Secretary, Paul O'Neill blew the whistle on this years ago.

In "The Price of Loyalty", he related how, at Bush's VERY FIRST National Security Council meeting, in Jan. 2001, they were discussing invading Iraq.

[Ichingcarpenter]

8. But he had no DOCUMENTS to prove it

it was Hear Say evidence back then but now it isn't.

[Botany]

9. A freedom of information act made Cheney release this map of iraqi oil fields

This map was on Dick's desk in Feb. / March 2001 .... I think this was released in 2003 or 2004

[defendandprotect]

156. Cheney cutting up the oil fields and deciding who would get what.... Hartmann was talking

about this recently -- Frightening!!

[NewJeffCT]

29. The media wrote him off as a "disgruntled" former employee

This could be news as it came directly from WH documents.

[defendandprotect]

157. Beware the smear tactics . . . .

[OHdem10]

7. Absolutely, they had this great Empire Plan. They imagined

Iraq would fall easily then they would move on to Syria.
having "unfriendly" ME countries fall like Dominoes.
Democratizing the ME was real to them.

[TBF]

11. Democratizing=Oil

Just more land-grabbing for resources - very old story.

[guruoo]

47. Oil, and looting the US Treasury ("starving the beast") nt

[keepCAblue]

121. Still looking for those *missing* billions US paid for rebuilding Iraq ...

... after Bush/Cheney destroyed it.

[harun]

139. Damn right, they wanted Democracy in the Middle East as bad as they wanted it in Egypt.

Which means they would do anything, and spend any amount of money to keep it in the hands of Washington's puppets. No way in hell they let real democratically elected regimes take office there.

[RaleighNCDUer]

62. I always thought Syria was the next target -

evidenced by "the WMDs were moved to Syria", "Syria, Iraq's fellow Baathist regime", etc. etc., even as late as the so-called "illegal nuclear facility" that was bombed in Syria.

The real point was, with both Iraq and Syria pacified they could run pipelines straight to the Mediterranean and not have to worry about the bottleneck in the Straits of Hormuz. Then, they'd be able to mine the Straits when they turned their attention to Iran, without interrupting the flow of Iraqi oil.

[harun]

140. Yep, they all told each other it would work out that way. Somehow it didn't though

did it?

[defendandprotect]

158. This was Cheney's "Energy Meetings"--!! We should hold Scalia upside down until the ducks . . .

come flying out and we get ALL the documents and info on those meetings!!

[disndat]

10. Now will people start to believe

that 9/11 was a macabre Bush/Cheney event?

[LibDemAlways]

12. The Project for a New American Century had already mentioned the

necessity of a "New Pearl Harbor" in order to jump start their plan. They got it in spades on 9/11.

[Bragi]

14. I hope not

If you're talking about how 9/11 was an inside Zionist/Neocon plot, then I hope people don't go there.

There is as much evidence for that as for fake moon-landing conspiracy.

[pocoloco]

21. Tell me again what happened to Bldg 7?

[Bragi]

28. It collapsed

See http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

The thing that has always made me incredulous of the inside conspiracy theories around 9/11 is that no adherents can answer these two questions:

How many people would have had to know about the alleged inside job?

Is it reasonable to think that that many people would be able to maintain complete silence about the conspiracy for almost a decade after the event?

[CJCRANE]

52. It doesn't work like that.

In general, the few people at the top of the chain never come forward, mainly because they benefit from the conspiracy.

The people lower down the chain don't know it's a conspiracy, they just follow the orders of the higher ups.

[Peace Patriot]

61. How many people? I would say, one--who had his fingers on everything.

And my suspect is Rumsfeld, who drew all NORAD decisions into his own hands three months before 9/11, and claimed to be "in a meeting" and didn't know what was going on, as the final planes headed for DC.

Somebody with his fingers on every aspect of the event, with the power to give unquestioned orders. Someone with the right to know what Al Q operatives were running around free, taking flight lessons, etc., and how to stop the FBI from catching them; someone with his own personal spy/black ops agency, his "Office of Special Plans" (created to get around CIA professionals who thought that their job was preventing war, not manufacturing it); someone with the power to order up the confusing NORAD/USAF "terrorist"/commercial airliner "exercise" that "just happened" to be in operation on, um, 9/11; someone who could switch NORAD commanders that day; someone with the power to admit anyone into the country or out of the country (for instance, that flight of bin Laden's family out of the U.S. just after--but think back, to before); someone who could confuse, interfere with and disable other security agencies and systems; someone with a very dark heart, indeed--the darkest of hearts--who would callously rape the minds of young soldiers by instituting a lawless culture of torture and abuse of helpless prisoners; someone who openly equated looting with freedom, and whom no one dared to laugh at, when he said so; someone who didn't see the need to count dead Iraqis, a hundred thousand of whom he had slaughtered in the first weeks of bombing alone; someone with absolutely no conscience at all, but a high, cold intelligence and way, way, way too much power.

Honestly, I think one person could have done it, if he had sufficient power, and Rumsfeld was into acquisition of such power from the moment he got hold of the U.S. military and security establishment (and probably long before that). He fired objectors and hired toadies. He created his own "black ops" agency. He immediately started "privatizing" the military, and creating mercenary forces and 'contractors' who would do his bidding without any questions and without "quaint' codes of honor. He cavalierly violated the most honorable and sacred legal traditions of the military (the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the Geneva Conventions), in what sure looks to me like an effort to "break" the military (and the CIA) and bend them to his will. (There are so many examples of this that I think that the military brass ultimately rebelled--possibly on pending orders to nuke Iran--and ousted Rumsfeld in 2006.)

But it could have been two people, or five, or a dozen, in a Rumsfeld cabal, or a Rumsfeld-Cheney cabal. It absolutely did not need "thousands of people" and would have been a very stupid cabal, indeed, if it had involved many people with direct knowledge. "Deniability," the use of people as "tools" (told to do something, but not why--not privy to the grand design), and also deliberately sowed confusion, are the hallmarks of such plots.

It is quite possible that it was one person or a small group. And there are lots of pointers to an inside job and to Rumsfeld as the mastermind. And, in addition to everything else, there was a support establishment of war profiteers throughout the government and throughout the corpo-fascist 'news' monopolies, who would more than willingly ridicule any discussion of a "conspiracy" and prevent any real investigation, because war was so very, very, very lucrative. They wanted war in the Middle East; they wanted the oil--and they didn't really care how they got there. A support establishment with its head up its ass.

[Peace Patriot]

64. On your subject line point: There is no reasonable official explanation for why Bldg 7

collapsed into its own footprint, just like the Twin Towers. Bldg 7 was not hit by one of the planes. Damage would certainly be expectable. It was nearby. But not a neat, simple and complete collapse. It makes no sense, in that context. And it is one of the prime evidences that official explanations are wrong.

The way that the Twin Towers collapsed also makes no sense, but it is a more "sellable" story because they were hit. But they were designed to withstand a commercial airliner crash in the top floors. Horrible damage at the top would be expectable, but not the neat, straight and complete collapse of both Towers to the ground.

These factors argue for demolition.

[chimpymustgo]

75. Thank you, Peace Patriot. Cheney overseeing wargames with NORAD!! Confusion, stand down.

Cheney and Rumsfeld oversaw the operation. Colin Powell was dispatched out of the country. Building 7???? All the Enron files lost. The asbestos suits - gone. A Bush Brother involved in the security of the buildings. John O'Neil - dead.

The put options on American and United. Anthrax.

That's just a few off the top of my head. These evil creatures know just how stupid and credulous the American people are. I understand - not wanting to face the evil - but we must, we must.

[JohnyCanuck]

89. Remember your high school physics?

Physics teacher David Chandler has posted a couple of youtube video which should help refresh our memories on Newton's Laws of Motion.

http://www.youtube.com/user/DavidChandler911#p/u/12/NiHeCjZlkr8
http://www.youtube.com/user/DavidChandler911#p/u/21/ZjSd9wB55zk

[Cherchez la Femme]

111. One thing I've always wondered

First I've got to say I'm not a 9-11 conspiracy person, although I do find some things unsettling (Building 7, that strange white jet)

But I've always wondered why United Airlines Flight 23, flying out of JFK International and believed to be 'the 5th plane' is never, that I've seen at least, discussed.

Now --and please correct me if I'm wrong, anywhere-- Flight 23 was in line for take-off on Sept. 11 when the pilots got word to secure the cockpit, which they did. A very short time later they were radioed that the airport was now closed and to head back to their gate. There were 4 (some make the count 3, others up to 6) 'arab' men who became aggressive upon finding out the flight was canceled, insisting they had to leave and this was the flight they had to be on.

Yet strangely these 'arab' men "vanished". Right into thin air, never to be found nor any information gleaned as to who they were.

They left unclaimed baggage which contained box-cutters, copies of the Koran, and al-Qaeda instruction sheets.

And that's about it in regards of these, to this day, unidentified men.


Now, did not all the other hijackers have identification with their real names? IIRC we found out about them immediately. Did not these guys on Flight 23 have to show identification checking in, which everyone has to do, and isn't a log kept of everyone who is on any plane? If even they did have false ID, wouldn't their baggage contain at least some clues, some information of who they really were?

It should have been an easy job for our agents of the various departments (FBI, NSA, etc.) to find these guys, yet apparently they didn't. They vanished physically, and seemingly pretty much from History -- barely a briefest footnote is found about them anywheres, and that is rarely. They are for the vast part, forgotten.


So I've always wondered Why?
There are so many questions that can easily be answered, but many questions aren't even asked.
None of it makes any sense. :shrug:

[ProudDad]

120. It's easy to "not find" guys when you aren't even looking (n/t)

[on point]

116. Osama bin Laden - CIA Operative? False Flag?

The way to think of this being an inside American job is not that it was done without the planes and the attackers, but that they worked through Osama bin Laden to put the operation in motion as a false flag effort. Ever wonder how they could never find him?

Not saying this is the actual case, but this line of inquiry has not been adequately explored in order to rule it out. The Neocons were and are capable of such things.

[humbled_opinion]

143. Seriously?

If Bushco had that kind of ability to implement something that grand then how come he couldn't just plant some WMD in some remote desert region to be found by an elite cadre of soldiers accompanied by the media which would have lauded him a hero?

Had he found WMD all the arguments for war would have been justified. I just don't buy the conspiracies because pulling off the WMD conspiracy seems so easy compared to some of the "truthers" suggestions.

[Nihil]

183. Psst!

> ... how come he couldn't just plant some WMD in some remote desert region
> to be found by an elite cadre of soldiers accompanied by the media which
> would have lauded him a hero?

Check into the murder of Dr David Kelly sometime.

[defendandprotect]

193. Too much work had to be done at this end for that to work .....

OBL was simply a patsy or willing patsy --

And, our government/CIA was financing him up to the very moment of 9/11!!

The WTC towers had to be pre-wired and that takes weeks --

There was the setting up of the 4 simulated traiing exercises -- one of them

on the premise of "hijackers" attacking "skyscrapers" -- !!

Even one of the military kids at the console asked ... "are we really supposed

to believe this coincidence?"

There had to be the making of an AWOL NORAD -- moving their planes to the

Canadian border -- and to a southern state!

Only the Bush family and their connections and probably Blackwater could have

done all of that --

But US/CIA did create Taliban/Al Qaeda -- that's fact -- We plotted the Russian/

Afghanistan War during the Carter administration! Brzezinski had given us the

info on that -- and US went into Afghanistan 6 months before the Russians came in ....

"in order to BAIT the Russians into Afghanistan . . . in hopes of giving the Russians

a Vietnam-type experience." Evidently, we didn't want to be the only losers!

[ProudDad]

123. You're afraid to contemplate the possibility

nothing we can say could change your apparent state of deep denial...

I was VERY skeptical of an "inside job" but have kept my mind open.

Over the last 6 years, I have seen enough evidence to convince me that the towers were all brought down by controlled demolition NOT the airplanes or subsequent fire. In addition, there's the evidence of the FAA being ignored and no fighters scrambled to intercept the hijacked airliners. I'm a licensed pilot and know that you don't get far in controlled airspace when you ignore controllers or violate restricted airspace rules...

This has convinced me that a few of the bushies (probably not bush himself; they wouldn't trust him with the information; but cheney and rumsfeld are highly likely suspects) were at least accessories during and after the fact.

The demolition charges could have been planted in the towers earlier than 9/11 to "protect sensitive information" in response to the prior tower bombings during Slick Willie's watch. On 9/11 the demolition could have been ordered by cheney as the "excuse" for the "New Pearl Harbor" was discerned.

At a minimum there should be an unbiased, thorough investigation -- but there won't be -- and anyway all of the forensic evidence at the site was quickly shipped off to the orient to become Prius'

Ignore the man behind the curtain.

[disndat]

185. Connecting the dots.

1. Marvin Bush owned the security company in charge of WTC.
2. Bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the site.
3. NORAD sent to practice war maneuvers at Cape May by Cheney/Rumsfeld.
The airlines planes left Logan at least 45 minutes before arriving at the WTC.
4. The Kean investigating committee were not allowed critical, or any, govt. documentations of the
9/11 events.

Even my most intelligent well informed, liberal acquaintances laughed at the so-called 9/11 conspiracy theory. The Psyche of the American people is still in deep denial.

[fascisthunter]

188. "Pull building 7"

[Nihil]

31. Nice strawman.

> If you're talking about how 9/11 was an inside Zionist/Neocon plot,
> then I hope people don't go there.

The only person who has is ... YOU.

:eyes:

> There is as much evidence for that as for fake moon-landing conspiracy.

Gosh! Another strawman ... someone obviously rang the dinner-bell for you ...

[Bragi]

36. So which conspiracy theory do you prefer?

[LiberalLovinLug]

88. You like to ask questions but never seem to have your own answers

You bandie the term "conspiracy theory" around like it means "projected fantasy".
As if the term doesn't exist in real life. That's one bizarre evolution of the English US language. The term simply means that there is considerable circumstantial evidence of a conspiracy to (fill in the blank), but no smoking gun, thus it remains officially a "theory".

Speaking of questions, just Google "unanswered questions 9/11" and you will get pages of various compilations of questions that have never been properly answered, if at all. Why not try and give an answer to some of those questions before creating straw men and red herrings to deflect them.

[Bragi]

104. I have looked into the claims

I've also watched a lengthy video put out by the Truthers.

My conclusion: I am not persuaded that 9/11 was anything other than a terrorist attack.

[texastoast]

44. Now, I'm not convinced the moonlanding was a conspiracy

But the fact that the camera's engineer on the project went on record to say that there was no way that some of the photos used as proof of the landing could have been made with his camera just needles the hell out of me still.

[pauldp]

83. Do you think the selling of the Iraq War based on lies was a Neocon Plot?

A murderous criminal conspiracy? Let's start there.

[Bragi]

102. Yeah, I would agree with that

But it's a long way from there to 9/11 being something other than a terrorist attack.

[pauldp]

129. Glad we agree on that. But is it really such a long way?

You agree that they (the Neocons/MIC) are capable and of a massive murderous criminal conspiracy that results in hundreds of thousands of dead innocents -
all for profit and expansion of empire. Many more deaths than 911 - all from lies they sold to the world. Let's not forget complicity by key members of the media.

You do realize the official narrative is that we had bad intelligence right? "Mistakes were made". To say the selling of the Iraq war was criminal is officially considered conspiracy theory. Just saying.

At least you are not an incompetence theorist.

[smiley]

91. .... not

[smiley]

90. unfortunately not...

those that consider that will forever be considered "truthers". What I truly find amazing that so many here on DU are willing to dismiss that scenario.

[defendandprotect]

159. I sure do ... so does the President of Iran who's calling for independent UN investigation!!

[tanyev]

13. Gosh, it's as if 9/11 was an answer to their prayers.

[RufusTFirefly]

26. Yup. How conveeeeeenient! n/t

[boycottfaux]

43. Smile . .

Neocons had one big circle-jerk . .

[just the thought - puke]

[MissDeeds]

110. Yup

Look at the power grab they were able to pull off in the wake of 9/11, and the endless terror alerts, the color coded threat level that kept the fear factor on the front burner. People were so scared they were willing to agree to (almost) anything. It was the perfect atmosphere for absolute power to corrupt absolutely.

I don't know if I'm willing to go so far as to align myself with those who feel the previous administration made it happen, but they clearly let it happen. The PDB titled "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the US" that was 'ignored' is a smoking gun that cannot be dismissed.

[defendandprotect]

163. Well, look at all the help that was required to have it happen .. .

Imagine had they told us that Russia had done this and that NORAD was

AWOL -- NORAD planes moved to Canadian border and one or two southern states --

and four training programs were running simultaneously -- including one based on

planes being hijacked and crashed into skyscrapers! ----

We'd still be :rofl:

[defendandprotect]

162. And they had been praying for "a new Pearl Harbor" just like 9/11 for years!!

They tried to push Clinton into attacking Iraq after the first attack on the WTC

in 1993 .... in probably that was a practice run !!

Clinton refused! But the PNAC had long been looking for this --

[disndat]

186. To 9/11 deny-ers,

It is not a stretch to think that 9/11 was a Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld plot to start the Iraq War. We've had the precidents of Pearl Harbor and the Gulf of Tonkin even though under Deomocratic administrations.

[defendandprotect]

189. Agree -- it was largely predictable for anyone following PNAC ....

and anyone who knew history --

I think former Sen. Gary Hart ... and another Senator were testifying to Congress

just a short time before 9/11 on the likelihood of an attack. Therefore, government

itself should have been on alert.

And, United Nations sent their Security Council reps visit the White House and our

intelligence agencies warning them of an attack in August!

This happened because the Russians had been banging on our doors trying to alert us

and W was conducting an Operation IGNORE. Russians were worried we'd try to put the

blame on them for 9/11!!

MIHOP - -

:)

[indepat]

15. Who woulda' ever thunk it

;)

[indepat]

16. Don't think junior cared a whit what Justice Jackson said at Nuremberg for that was so 20th-century

and this is the new Amurikan century: neocons mitt der PNAC have laid out all international laws, rules, and conventions which the world now must live by. ;)

[snooper2]

17. Why is this breaking news?

We have had this information for YEARS...

[bahrbearian]

20. We sure hell don't want to investigate.

[defendandprotect]

164. President of Iran called today at the UN for a UN independent investigation ....

of 9/11 --

[Green_Lantern]

22. oh wow next they'll report..

Richard Simmons is gay.

[RufusTFirefly]

24. This also "reveled."

News services no longer feel the need for copy editors. Sheesh!

As for the gist of the story, most of us have long known this -- or at least suspected it. But since when did logic and the truth have any influence on the way that Americans think and act?

It's telling that it's an AFP story, typos notwithstanding. If it gets any real domestic coverage, it will come and go so quickly that only the people who have been paying attention all along will notice it. The rest will continue in their delusional state.

[sabra]

25. here's the actual AFP report... I believe the OP is linking to PressTV

that reported on the AFP report

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jry7qEOA-VOa8dJRWVJaJDGUU1yg

[RufusTFirefly]

27. Thanks sabra. You are correct.

I thought AFP was a classier operation than that. That's somewhat reassuring.

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. I choose the Press link because the title was better

since you have to use it.

The AFP story is the same one in all the links I found.

Yahoo just picked it up BTW.

[global1]

33. I Think It Will Be Very Telling If The American MSM Doesn't Report This Story........

a couple of words come to mind if they don't report it. They are: incriminating and complicit.

[defendandprotect]

165. These documents and the unfolding cornfirmation of the story should be repeated often here....!!1

And hope that they get ahold one day of all of Cheney's "Energy Meeting" documents!!

Thom Hartmann was talking about this the other day -- and the story should be be kept

on the front burner -- especially here at DU until everyone understands it.

[h9socialist]

30. Time for Tribunals at the Hague

Not that this is a surprise, but now the proof is beyond doubt. Put Dubya, Condi, Rummy and Wolfie in the dock at the Hague!

[Jeneral2885]

32. Urm this is already mentioned

In Richard Clarke's book Against All Enemies. It's nothing new.

[Ichingcarpenter]

37. He didn't have the hard documents which is the point of this story

We know the lies but were being accused of hearsay evidence which
inadmissible in court.

[Jeneral2885]

65. it's mentioned in the book in detail.

it's mentioned in the book in great detail. Documents or no documents it isn't hard to guess the thoughts of those people.

[Kolesar]

67. K&R eom

[defendandprotect]

166. And Cheney "energy meeting" documents -- !!! We need more of those -- !!

[Solly Mack]

34. Shocking

to someone, somwhere, who has been living under a rock that's buried deep in the ground of a lush jungle on an island that hasn't been discovered yet.

But let's continue to pretend that Bush isn't a war criminal.

[keepCAblue]

38. More proof of what we already knew. Gives yet more credence to 9/11 and MIHOP. n/t

[chimpymustgo]

77. PNAC: a Pearl Harbor type event. We've had our war on since.

[Paper Roses]

39. How much information is sufficient for the World Court to take action?

If not them, anyone else.

Again and again, more damning news and releases of classified info.....still nothing is being done.

War crimes!!!

[county worker]

40. Tell us something we don't know.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

41. Put the criminals on trial -- then convict and jail them. n/t

[boycottfaux]

42. Absolutely old news . .

Rumsfeld, Cheney, Krystal, et al. wrote President Clinton in
19988 demanding the U.S. attack Iraq . .

Do the googles for copy of the letter (about 20 neocons signed
letter)

[texastoast]

45. War criminals one and all and to The Hague is where "real Americans" would send them

I hope that this news gets broadcast far and wide on the "liberal media."

I'm not holding my breath.

[obxhead]

49. LBN running a little slow. This is 7 year old news at best.

This "news" contributed heavily to MIHOP and LIHOP as well.

[lovuian]

50. Trillions of dollars and Patriot Act enactment

they just ran Amok.... this will stop
there will retribution

and gives the motive for Bush Administration to attack America to justify Iraq War

[defendandprotect]

167. Patriot Act -- coincidentally -- was ready to go immediately after 9/11 ... !!!

And GOP viciously attacking anyone who stood against its passage!!

[valerief]

51. Hell, the PNAC papers in 1997 told us they wanted "a new Pearl Harbor" and wanted

to step up the military budget.

[husky92]

53. Still Pissed....

Every time I read something like this it makes me madder each time that there was no investigation into this whole mess by Pres. Obama's and Congress. It seems just like the torture stuff. That's behind us, we're just looking ahead. Bullshit. Cheney and Co. were on a mission from the moment they all took office and they skate on this one. Now all these knuckleheads (read tea partiers, conservatives) want to put the Republicans back in power again. Then I read if the Republicans take power they are going to issue subpoenas to the Obama people and begin investigations of his cabinet. It's been said before, Democrats are too freaking nice to the other side. Republicans will kick ass on everything and then piss all over you. I wish the Dems would grow some bigger ones. Unfortunately, there are only a few guys who will call them out on this stuff. I get sick and tired of it. Why are we in so much debt -- this damned war we're involved with in Iraq. How about Bush, Cheney and Rumsy facing the parents and loved ones of the nearly 5,000 soldiers who died and countless others who are now maimed or have suffered physical and psychological damage for the rest of their lives. I'd love to hear their explanation other than some bullshit about talking to Fox News. I hope those ass holes are happy because I sure as hell am not!

[global1]

59. Is It Behind Us?.........

I don't think there is a 'statute of limitations' on war crimes. The fact that actual government documents are being exposed that prove that they knew they were lying to us in my mind is very telling. Someone, somewhere is pushing for this info to come out and in my mind it is not a coincidence or just some historian trying to record the history of BushCo.

Really the Dems couldn't start investigations on this matter when they took office. We were in crisis mode and if the economic matters weren't taken care of - we would have been thrust into a 'depression' to make the first depression look tame. It could have caused global economic havoc.

Though I too - like you - want to see justice done - there is a time and place for it - and in my mind we are getting closer - especially with documents like this - to seeing it happen in our lifetime.

We need to keep focused now and re-elect the Dems. Make sure that they hold both the House and Senate. I'm confident that the job market will soon rebound and our economic situation will improve and give us the breathing room needed to take BushCo to task.

[defendandprotect]

168. Scalia kept us from getting the Cheney "Energy Meeting" documents ....

where evidently Cheney was in charge of dividing up the Iraqi oil fields!!

And decide which oil company would get what -- !!

We should be hold Scalia upside down until the ducks come flying out!!

[lovuian]

66. I agree Obama is looking like he is part of the cover up

and the Justice department well there is no Justice in America

these are fundamental issues that the Liberals have no tolerance for lack of prosecution

this country was BANKRUPTED by Osama Bin Laudin as he predicted on his frequent q month videos updates with the yellow and orange alert updates

OMG!!!
Guantanamo
we are still doing it

and Bush is Osama bin Laudin

[young_at_heart]

55. Why isn't there more outrage?

Whys isn't there any outrage?

[barbtries]

57. outrage overload.

i need to think about my health too.

don't get me wrong. i am outraged. i want the bastards in prison. but you know after all these years i find it hard to muster up the energy. i'm so tired.

[defendandprotect]

169. There are actually 5 or 6 people here who don't understand the story ... !!!

Outrage -- !!! I'd love to see Scalia confronted with all of this and that we

hang him upside down until all the ducks come flying out --

and we get the Cheney "Energy Meeting" documents he helped keep hidden!!

[harmonicon]

58. Duh (nt)

[leeroysphitz]

60. This doesn't make any sense. The stated reasons for going to war with Iraq had to do with WMDs

and U.N. mandates.

Why would the Bush admin lie? What would they have to gain?

[Cherchez la Femme]

114. You are being facetious, aren't you?

[leeroysphitz]

134. What did you call me?

:P

[Cherchez la Femme]

148. LOL Sorry, sorry!

[katandmoon]

68. And they have nothing to fear from Obama's "What war crimes?" DOJ.

[bos1]

69. "press tv" ??? where's the link to AFP? This article is nowhere else to be found. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

70. I wish some people would read the whole thread

It is a AFP story..... same words......

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jry7qEOA-VOa8dJRWVJaJDGUU1yg

[ooglymoogly]

71. So; This is old news to us old timers. But it is not for many of

those coming on board in the last 8 or 9 years; Who did not live through those years of vetting just who "*" and the neo-conArtists were all about and from whence there poisonous roots sprang. It can't be said enough to show the paper tiger that is our "justice" for what it is; When it applies, or not, to the monied and the powerful.

[defendandprotect]

170. There are new documents ... which are cement the story . . .

including the fact that first in the White House, Cheney at Energy Meetings was

dividing up Iraqi oil fields!!

[paparush]

72. Three Words: New . . . Pearl . . Harbor

[BeachBaby]

161. +1.

[MikeMc]

73. Thanks. 100% right. Definitely.

The Nat'l Security Archives posting shows the genius bush team planning to get Iraq, while the failed-nation-based, CIA trained, Saudi born and funded muhajadeen 'database' organization planned to get the US.
We all knew l'il bush wanted war as soon as he 'won' office, but when the actual documents get pried out of the gov, it's nice to hear about it.

Someone up post appeared to belittle this info, by conflating it with a 'Zionist did 9/11 conspiracy'. That spin on the terror attack is a very popular one with Alex Jones LaRouche Bircher types, the ones that infiltrate grassroots attempts to get some government accountability for 9/11.
You don't have to dig very deep to see how involved the bush family has been with actual Nazis (Grandpa Prescott and Union Bank, nine nazis and neo-nazis kicked out of 'Poppy's' campaign in '88, etc.) and the bushes have always 'worked with' Saudi right wing business and government. The nazi / Saudi connected type guy, that the repugs had in charge of kindergarten story time photo ops on 9/11, was not working for the Jews and Israel. Thanks for the 'strawman' call, Nihil.

[The_Casual_Observer]

76. It had been in the works several years before jr got elected.

They were in a rush to invade before the UN inspectors finished their job. The fix was in, nothing was going to stop it.

[defendandprotect]

171. Agree --

evidently the WTC real estate steadily became more available as pressure to

force them to take it down as they put it up -- scaffolding -- became stronger --

and they were to be prevented from using demolition, of course!

[Ganja Ninja]

78. Pointless.

The Dem's are too chickenshit to investigate let alone prosecute them.

[whosinpower]

85. Congress is as much at fault as Bush

And they rolled over.

[Amonester]

98. Not all of them in Congress rolled over, but...

those who did, on all sides, are as much complicit as the Big Oil cronies.

[creon]

79. no surprise

Iraq was an irritant; unfinished business. A casus belli had to be found. WMD were a good pretext.

Iraq had no WMD. None were found because there were none.

[bullwinkle428]

80. Knock me over with a feather.

[myrna minx]

81. K&R n/t

[notadmblnd]

82. Must look forward, not to the past

[defendandprotect]

172. Ignoring the past only brings more of the same -- we need prosecutions!!

[Name removed]

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[thelordofhell]

92. I can just read the headlines the next day

Page A34----retractions

When we reported endlessly that Iraq was a nation we had to go to war with, it was all bullshit. Sorry for the thousands of dead and trillions of dollars wasted because we didn't do any research.----The Press

[JerseygirlCT]

93. I doubt anyone here is surprised to read this.

But hopefully some in the greater world who have had their head in the sand on the issue will pay more attention now.

[CUTTIN HEADS]

94. Read Vince Bugliosi's Book..

"The Prosecution of GWB (et al...) for Murder" We need a ballsy prosecutor from ANYWHERE to idict...prosecute...and sentence these murderous shit-bags for the 100K+ lives taken by horrible deaths in that illegal and completely immoral war. Read it and get mad...and get busy.

[Nightjock]

95. The people who need to hear this

all live inside the Fox "news" bubble. This significant amount of folks will NEVER hear about it as long as Faux is the only place they go for news.

[JohnyCanuck]

97. I guess the "conspiracy theorists" were correct

about this one all along, which also implies the establishment's toadies in the corporately controlled mainstream media were just another bunch of useful idiots, willingly playing their assigned role to make sure the gullible, unwashed masses and useless eaters absorbed Hermann Goering's message into their frightened brains.

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

But, OMG, the "conspiracy theorists" were right! Who could have seen that one coming (besides the conspiracy theorists, that is)?

[Amonester]

99. But now, the "conspiracy theorists" who were correct are being told

to "turn the page" and to "move forward" because...

Well, because.

:mad:

[Blue_Tires]

112. +1000

[defendandprotect]

173. True . . .

and on top of it, immediately upon taking office Cheney began the "Energy Meetings" --

where he was divving up the Iraqi oil fields, deciding which oil company would get what!!

Then Scalia made sure we never saw any of the documents!

[Cherchez la Femme]

100. Gotta move forward, forget the past,

the past IS the past.

I know that, if ever tried for a felony, I'll be sure to use that precedent-setting excuse, er,
I mean reasoning, (cause we should all be, y'know, reasonable)

I wonder how far that will get me?

[madrchsod]

103. go to and city ,town,village in america

and you`ll see those who can`t forget the past.


my generation is slowly dieing away but never fear, there`s a whole generation of our kids and grandkids that have served the empire

[madrchsod]

101. so how did the 20b yr war on iraq turn out...

iran-iraq is the new power in the middle east. bush succeeded in uniting two countries that fought a horrific war against each. the actors during the iran-iraq war sided with the iraqi.

we had to sell billions of weapons to the saudi`s to counter iran and iraq in the future.

[JDPriestly]

105. Thank you. We must never forget. This is the legacy we leave our

children. It is a legacy of hatred toward our country. Americans are the only people who do not realize that the War in Iraq was a war of aggression. Unless we see to it that those who planned and executed that illegal war are prosecuted under the law, that war will be a terrible burden on our children.

[JohnWxy]

106. documents showing WMD argument was fabricated!!

Well, now the perfidy is documented: "The documents released under a Freedom of Information request also show that White house claims of Iraq pursuing a nuclear weapons program based on confiscated aluminum tubes were also fabricated."

[orleans]

107. yep. we knew. now everyone can know. k&r. n/t

[Nostradammit]

108. I'm beginning to have a glimmer of hope

that one of my fondest dreams will come true. If, before I die, the villainous Bush cabal
are exposed as the traitors they are I shall die a peaceful death.

I know, I know, "Don't hold your breath," right? Well, Truth is always trying to surface and
history will be most unkind to these fuckers.

[Hubert Flottz]

109. It's only a war crime if somebody from another country besides

England does it. Or a democrat.

[Initech]

113. As seen in this week's issue of DUH! Magazine.

[lutefisk]

115. I am so ashamed of my country

My government protects war criminals.

The top guy lives in Dallas, Texas, for crying out loud. Go charge him and put him under arrest. We can handle it.

[newtothegame]

117. "as soon as he took office."

September 2001? :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

174. And Cheney began the "Energy Meetings" . . . where he was divving up Iraq oil fields...

deciding which oil companies would get what!!

[MikeMc]

181. Yeah. The excerpt Iching posted didn't show all of the dated docs.

I thought the same thing when I read the dates, but here are several pre-9/11 document citations from the original source, (Nat'l Security Archive link):

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/index.htm

excerpts:

"...Powell asked his staff for background on Iraq regime change policy – three days after Bush’s inauguration .

When the new administration’s principals (agency heads) met for the first time at the end of January it was to discuss the Middle East, including Bush’s planned disengagement from efforts to resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict, and the issue of “How Iraq is destabilizing the region.” Bush directed the Pentagon to look into military options for Iraq and the CIA to improve intelligence on the country. (Note 7) At a February 1 principals meeting Paul Wolfowitz lobbied for arming the Iraqi opposition. (Note 8) When the deputies (agency seconds-in-command) committee met in April for its first discussion of terrorism since the president took office and counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke attempted to focus on Osama bin Laden and the Taliban – five months before 9/11 -- Wolfowitz tried to change the subject to Iraq. (Note 9)"


"...On July 13, 2001 the deputies committee met to discuss Iraq and Wolfowitz said again that to achieve “regime change” the U.S. should provide more support for Iraqi opposition groups, recognize a provisional government, and create an enclave in the south that, along with U.S.-protected Kurdistan, would be called “Free Iraq” (the southern enclave strategy was meant to mollify a Turkey made nervous by hints of increasing autonomy for the Kurds in northern Iraq.) The U.S. would then give “Free Iraq” frozen Iraqi assets. The protected zone would be expanded to expropriate Iraq’s oil fields and their revenues. Powell thought Wolfowitz’s strategy was ludicrous, but Rumsfeld said he wanted Bush’s opinion, (Note 13) and asked Rice to schedule a principals committee meeting leading to an NSC discussion with the president.

In a July 27 memo to Rice, Rumsfeld recommended scheduling the meetings, because sanctions were failing and Iraq’s air defenses seemed to be improving – he was particularly disturbed by Iraq’s increased use of fiber optics. He outlined a range of policy options and said definitively, “Within a few years the U.S. will undoubtedly have to confront a Saddam armed with nuclear weapons” (and also that Iran will “almost certainly” have nuclear weapons by 2006.) He concluded, “If Saddam’s regime were ousted, we would have a much-improved position in the region and elsewhere,” and, “A major success in Iraq would enhance U.S. credibility and influence throughout the region.”


During the summer of 2001 a career Pentagon planning official tried to evaluate the premises of the Chalabi/Downing strategy for Iraq: that is, that the INC could play a major role in ousting Saddam Hussein and Iraqis would welcome Ahmad Chalabi as a hero. His analysis would have focused on what could go wrong, what if INC operations failed, what if Chalabi’s supposed popularity were overblown? But he learned that the Pentagon’s focus was “not on what could go wrong but on what would go right.” (Note 14) On August 1 the deputies gave a top secret paper on Iraq to the principals with the title of Downing’s plan for regime change, “A Liberation Strategy”, discussing CIA and other U.S. support for Iraqi opposition groups and possible direct U.S. military action. Wolfowitz said his enclave strategy would easily succeed. Powell tried to warn Bush, telling him, “This is not as easy as it is being presented.” In Bush’s view, it was “good contingency planning.” (Note 15)


By early August the CIA had selected the Cuban-American son of a Bay of Pigs veteran to be chief of its covert Iraqi Operations Group. “Saul” evaluated U.S. plans and concluded that a coup in Iraq, which the U.S. for a decade had hoped could be brought about through a combination of sanctions and covert operations, would fail. To achieve regime change, a full-scale military invasion of Iraq with CIA support would be necessary. (Note 16)"


So the repug brain trust was busy 'protecting' us from Iraq, all through the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks.

[davidwparker]

118. Do tell

Glad to see AFP keeping up with the tin foil hat crowd.

[ProudDad]

119. Old News - Dick Clarke told us this over 6 years ago...

http://www.slate.com/id/2097750/

(Report of Clarke's testimony and apology at the 9/11 Whitewash hearings...)

In the first meeting after 9/11/01, bush told Clarke that he wanted justification for invading Iraq.

[glinda]

122. yet they all walk

[hulka38]

124. Let us not look backward. Let us move forward together as a nation

instead of picking at old wounds. After all, what can be the upside of fully examining a preventable catastrophe that is likely to play out again? Only one guy (Scooter) should be held accountable for this national tragedy. Everybody else should be writing books, yachting, making millions, or teaching law.

[Divine Discontent]

127. exactly... shame on us for messing up so many lives that are greatly enriched by this warmongering

who cares about the tragic deaths caused by their actions...


they are demons..... DEMONS!

[Divine Discontent]

125. and when will the Justice Dept or Congress do somethin about these FACTS????

just sayin'... we're a joke if our gov't doesn't use the facts and arrest them for starting wars for oil...

[hulka38]

128. We're a joke.

You can just stop right there.

[Divine Discontent]

151. you get a "ba-da-ching!"(drum & rimshot) for that play on words perfect synopsis!

[defendandprotect]

175. What has DOJ or Holder done so far .... basically nothing -- !!

They haven't even helped Don Siegelman -- evidently because it runs into charges

of stolen elections they're frightened to touch!!

We need to get ALL of Cheney's documents on the Energy Meetings --

sitting in the White House dividing up Iraqi oil fields and deciding which oil

company would get what!!

[Divine Discontent]

180. hey D&P, wouldn't that be great. I wish they could get the good on that bastard.

[defendandprotect]

191. Scalia protected Cheney documents ... after the "duck hunt" ... wasn't that it???

We should hold Scalia upside down until the ducks come flying out of his mouth!!

[HillbillyBob]

130. I told everyone I knew that we would be at war with Iraq and or Iran

when I had read an excerpt of the pnac manifesto in 98..that if twit 'ran' the race would be fixed and he would 'win' and we would be at war. I was not online yet and had no computer or I would have been pastin that everywhere, I did tell everyone i knew at the time.

[liberal N proud]

131. Thar's oil in thar dunes

Plus the wanted to finish what daddy Bush started.

[lisa58]

138. yes, yes and yes...

[Cass]

132. Richard Clarke talked about this in his book.

Let's see if this gets any real attention now that there are documents to prove it.

[No Elephants]

135. September surprise? Good timing to show voters how evil Republicans are. Will Dems use it?

[Techn0Girl]

176. If they do they'll have a bit of trouble explaining the 100,000 troops now in harms way...

Yeah, that Iraq was phony but this afghan war - that;s the real deal all right.
Right.

[Odin2005]

136. No, duh.

[lisa58]

137. REALLY????? Who knew??????

[Crunchy Frog]

142. No shit Sherlock. n/t

[Sparkly]

146. General Clark said this wayyyyy back. nt

[felix_numinous]

147. K & R

One of the best documentaries I have seen by a German investigator, it is very well thought out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG_N7h2J6Lo

I was reminded recently about the lessons of verbal abuse. I hope you are not familiar with it, but I will tell you it has to do with being lied to, language is used as a weapon to prevent you from thinking clearly. It is highly charged emotionally, crazy making is the game, so the only way to deal with it is not to play. I bring this up because I have observed the American people being treated in exactly this same way by the propaganda surrounding the dissemination of important information. All of the traumatic events of the 60s I will not name were handled in this same way, Americans were kept in the dark, and the clear message was one of dominance and power, violence was used as a threat. Look what we can do, and you cannot do anything about it.

Being forced to go along with lies is what being verbally abused feels like, and it has a very powerful psychological effect.

[LiberalLovinLug]

190. Thanks for the link!

I didn't think I would watch all the way through (hate subtitles), but I learned things in there that I hadn't heard of before in other documentaries.

How can one NOT feel that something is amiss when so much circumstantial evidence points to those in power at the time?

I fear that as time goes by, 9/11 truth seekers are being further and further boxed into the "crazy conspirator" room in the basement. We must keep asking questions and publicizing brave documentaries like this. An alleged crime like this, should NOT be buried ever.

[mysuzuki2]

152. This was perfectly obvious at the time

even before 9/11. I remember telling people when there was all that back and forth with the weopons inspectore, that Bush was going to start a new war in Iraq.

[Faygo Kid]

153. Have we forgotten Richard Clarke's book? Didn't he lay this out exactly right?

They never gave a damn about the dead on 9/11. I knew it then, and know it now just as well.

No better, however, than I knew it then.

[ibegurpard]

154. really?

file that one under "no shit"

[EndElectoral]

160. The real tragedy is nothing will be done about the information.

[atomic-fly]

182. facts and reason have left the building.....move on folks...

it's a bad time for common sense.

[Fire1]

184. You're a conspiracy theorist!! A loon!!

:sarcasm:

[newspeak]

187. yes, most of us on DU knew that Little Boots wanted war with Iraq

not just for personal reasons (I'm better than daddy), but for corporate greed. Gen. smedley butler was correct about fighting wars for business interests. Little Boot's administration apparently also outed a CIA network-brewster-jennings, and to me that is a treasonous act since they were monitoring WMD's in the ME. To me, these miscreants have less interest in the security of our country, than the well being of global corporations.

I have had questions about 9/11 for quite awhile and I stand with the Jersey girls who attempted to get some truth from the previous administration. I know some of you do remember that Kissenger was going to be in charge of the investigation committee on 9/11, until there was such a cry against it. But, those who were picked, some had oil business interest--then there was Little Boot's rules for the committee--only certain people on the committee could see certain documents behind closed doors. Cheney's, so-called, secret oil meeting is the advent of everything that conspired afterward. All that bullshite in the PNAC document-democratization of the ME--such bullshite--a bunch of global, greedy, sociopathic corporate whores could care less about democracy--now puppets like Pinochet, sure--democracy no.

And, now we have teabaggers running in certain states being funneled corporate money, to do one thing only--privatize the shite out of america. If the faux outraged repugs had their way, they'd give SS to wall street and they're even talking about privatizing the VA. Profit over people with even less accountability and more greed--and shitty service while funneling even more taxpayer's money into corporate hands, giving them even more power over us.

[defendandprotect]

192. K&R for your post --- and we should remember it was to be KISSINGER to head 9/11 investigation!!

And also agree, that Cheney's "Energy Meetings" were important in all that happened

after --

:)