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mike r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 12:28 PM
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For Many, a New Job Means Lower Wages, Studies Find
Source: New York Times

After being out of work for more than a year, Donna Ings, 47, finally landed a job in February as a home health aide, earning about $10 an hour, with a company in Lexington, Mass. Chelsea Nelson, 21, started two weeks ago as a waitress at a truck stop in Mountainburg, Ark., making around $7 or $8 an hour, depending on tips, ending a lengthy job search that took her young family to California and back.

Both are ostensibly economic success stories, people who were able to find work in a difficult labor market. Ms. Ing’s employer, Home Instead Senior Care, a company with franchises across the country, has been aggressively expanding. Ms. Nelson’s restaurant, Silver Bridge Truck Stop, recently reopened and hired about 20 people last month in an area thirsty for jobs. Both women, however, took large pay cuts from their old jobs — Ms. Ing worked in the office of a wholesale tuxedo distributor; Ms. Nelson used to be a secretary. And both remain worried about how they will make ends meet in the long run.

With the country focused on job growth and unemployment continuing to hover above 9 percent, there has been comparatively little attention paid to the quality of the jobs being created in this still-struggling economy and what that might say about the opportunities that will be available to workers when the tumult of the Great Recession finally settles. There are reasons, however, for concern, even in the early stages of a tentative recovery that now appears to be barely wheezing along. For years, long before the recession began, job growth had become increasingly polarized in this country, with high-paid occupations that demand significant amounts of education and training growing rapidly, alongside low-wage, entry-level, service-type jobs that do not require much schooling or special skills, according to David Autor, a labor economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

The growth of these low-wage jobs began in the 1980s, accelerated in the 1990s and began to really take off in the 2000s. Losing out in the shuffle, according to Dr. Autor, are jobs that he describes as “middle-skill, middle-wage” — entry-level white-collar positions, like office and administrative support work, as well as certain blue-collar jobs, like assembly line workers and machine operators. The recession appears to have magnified that trend, according to Dr. Autor in a recent paper, released jointly by the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning policy group, and the Hamilton Project, which has a more centrist reputation. From 2007 to 2009, the paper found, there was relatively little net change in total employment for both high-skill and low-skill occupations, while employment plummeted in so-called middle-skill occupations.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/01/us/01jobs.html
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 12:32 PM
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1. The job which my husband just took
is close to 30% less than the previous one, although thankfully the healthcare, dental and vision is MUCH better. Since we used up nearly all of our savings we are just barely making it.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 12:45 PM
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2. Another reason why there is NO 'recovery'.
Even when and/or if employment numbers finally start to increase, it doesn't necessarily mean that the recession is over and that 'happy days are here again."

Because it is a sure bet that all the new jobs will pay less and have less generous benefits than the old jobs.

The mega-transnational corporations just keep on winning ... at the expense of working class Americans.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:08 PM
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16. "pay less and have less generous benefits than the old jobs"
it is all part of the plan. Since Nixon's visit to china, and Reagan's attacks on unions, together with Clinton's NAFTA and Bush's CAFTA, they have been trying to drag the working class back to feudal times.
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:40 AM
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23. Yep. Kinda makes you wonder how
they expect the worker bees to be able to afford the crap some of the corporations would like to hoist off on them. GE don't want to hire Americans? Well Americans won't be able to buy their cars. HP outsourcing as many jobs as they can to the rest of the world for $.34 a hour? I think more people are going to be making due with a two year old computer.

Q3JR4
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 05:24 PM
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28. They will sell their goods...
in India and China- where the middle class is beginning to take off.
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jxnmsdemguy65 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:34 PM
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29. Two year old computer?
Hell, mine's 9 years old!
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:27 AM
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37. Yep. We are being leveled out.
It sucks, but I don't think we can do anything about it.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 12:45 PM
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3. Let me chime in with this observation: First this caveat: There is
no one who believes in the importance more than I do.
I have seen the results in my own lifetime.

However, I am becoming very cynical with the current
actions.

There is a reality. Wages and Salaries are being adjusted
downward. What are the jobs that are available???

You have a hard sell convincing kids they had better
study hard and get a good education. To start a Lawnservice.
To work in a Nursing Home. To become a Nurse. To work
in a Hotel. To work at Wall Mart.

Sure there are only so many jobs on Wall Street. In Banking.
Who do you think has first dibs on these jobs>. No I am
not trying play class warfare.

How many Computer Companies are there, who hire H-1b Visa
types and import them for cheaper labor???

If we are going to motivate America's children and not
just the kids of the Affluent, then we sure as heck
better let them see concretely there is a real future
out there. Personally, I believe this is why our kids
fell behind. Their parents saw reality. This is
the cause of a lot of Tea Party Anger. We let the
likes of Beck exploit them.







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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:18 PM
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4. Take "nurse" off that list.
Registered Nurses have college degrees and licenses. We're well-paid professionals.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:20 PM
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6. That is why I put Nurses on the List. About the only profession
available.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:19 PM
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5. Employers are now getting TWO employees for what they used to pay for ONE ...
up to a few decades ago -- and still the downward spiral propelled by the

elites/right wing continues on --

Corporatism's "third world America" -- !!

Look around you at the deterioration!

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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:35 PM
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20. And, each worker is doing work that used to be done by 2 or 3 workers.
Even better for the employers.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:18 PM
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27. Agree with that, as well . . .
I remember when my son got his last promotion, he was still doing his old job, as well --

Obviously, Democrats aren't as concerned about all of this employees are -- and seemingly

looking to them for help isn't working out!



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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:42 PM
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7. Everything is going as planned. First, knock off private sector unions, then
pass NAFTA and outsource good paying jobs, then force us into lower paying jobs so that the big multinational corporations can get even richer.

And watch out. Their next target is public sector unions.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 02:40 PM
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13. +1000
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savalez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:43 PM
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8. Sounds like a Republican dream-come-true!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:47 PM
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10. GOP/corporate "third world America" .... unfortunately too many corporate Dems aiding this --
Edited on Tue Aug-31-10 01:47 PM by defendandprotect
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 03:31 PM
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15. GOP idol, Ronnie,
started this transition. Sadly, the dems have helped push it whenever they've had a chance. The aim is to have fairly equitable wages across the globe. And it's WORKING! Look at what they're forcing on teachers now. Think that isn't part of the plan???

All I can say to those who've played along is: "ENJOY, you RUBES! You've been snookered, and snookered big time."
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maddogesq Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:10 PM
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17. Not just a GOP/Corp. Dream, but a GOP/Corp. wet dream.
It's all part of the plan, as many have said in this thread. And, it all started with St. Ronnie.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:46 PM
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9. The aim obviously is to lower wages and increase elite profits ...
that's been the agenda for decades now --

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zogofzorkon Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 02:03 PM
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11. There really is no problem
just get two or three jobs, hold frequent garage sales, and make sure your wife is working. If you cut the out the frills: fresh fruits and vegetables, juices, most cuts of meat, new clothes, heating the house above 50F, paid holidays, , medical insurance, hobbies, dinner out once a month, your car and home repairs there should be no trouble w/ living comfortably on the $7-10/hr(before taxes) jobs.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 02:31 PM
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12. Thank the stimulus package that did not have companies agree to create jobs -
Edited on Tue Aug-31-10 02:31 PM by superconnected
in America anyway.

Of course they couldn't afford it - they had to give bonus's and go on vacation with that money.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:00 PM
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32. The stimulus mostly benefitted government employees.
The stimulus wasn't a stimulus, it was a bailout. 4% of it went to "shovel-ready" jobs. The lion's share went to state and local governments who overspent during flush times and had put nothing aside for a rainy day.

You're so right - if only it HAD gone toward job creation in the smaller businesses that create 2/3rds of all new jobs, then we might look more like Germany and less like Greece about now.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 02:44 PM
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14. $10 an hour is actually pretty good in today's market.. even with a college degree..
Edited on Tue Aug-31-10 02:47 PM by lib2DaBone
Plus, employers are FEREAKING out over Health Care Reform. The insurance companies now demanding 40% premium increases to help pay for "reform".

Who did they /you think was going to pay for all these "reforms" in health care? The insurance companies? The government? The employers? Who ALWAYS gets stuck with the bill? Correct.

I received notice today that all my co-payments would be going up 50% and deductables on medication are going up 50%.

Congress wasted all that time on HCR and Max Baucus stuffed Millions in his pocket.

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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:36 PM
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21. $10 an hour is not a living wage, at least not in some parts of the country. n/t
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Lightning Count Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:39 PM
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22. And that is always the question. How much do you pay a HS dropout dishwasher working in NYC?
I would say a minimum of 75K.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:22 PM
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18. I'm finding a lot of people losing good paying jobs in health care only to find another with less pa...
Sometimes more than 35% less than the job they had. CNAs, Caretakers, Housekeeping being the most venerable. Personally, I had a potential employer tell me that the economic means 'Good for us, Bad for you', take it or leave it. This was for a job that paid 28% less than the job I had to leave and a fifty mile commute!
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:26 PM
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19. How will I afford my new Nissan if I can't get a good job???
:shrug:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:47 AM
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24. Companies are taking advantage of the economy by lowering wages
and instead of paying what people are worth they are using that extra cash to bolster their cash reserves and bottom line (IOW, look more appealing to investors/shareholders).

My husband with a master's degree in engineering is making less now than he was a decade ago. People all over are going through this. Couple this with skyrocketing food, utilities and health care costs and *BOOM*---there goes your middle class.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:46 PM
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31. It is a degenerate system now ...
Many companies are cash flush, due to cost cutting and mass layoffs in the marketplace, and yet they refuse to hire anyone at a decent wage, believing they owe more to their 'investors' than to the system itself ...

THAT cash is stimulus, when it is in the hands of a worker and his or her family ....

It does nothing to improve the economy by sitting in their coffers ....

The eventual result (and it is coming fast) will be deflation as inventories grow while families have less to spend ...

We are nearly at the breaking point .... and many economists know it ...

Yet .... They are willing to kill the whole system in order to satisfy their own sense of righteousness ...

I dont see a way out .... Maybe the best thing is to let it fall down .... and hope it gets better for our kids down the road ....
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Drusilla Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 06:39 PM
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33. It's disgusting, isn't it?
I got a job offer to be someone's Director of Marketing but...

HE DIDN'T WANT TO PAY ME! Crazy, ain't it? He said that once the business took off, he would "take care of me".

That's not a job. That's volunteer work.

And my current boss hasn't given me a raise in the year and a half that I've worked for him in spite of the fact that his sales have gone up considerably over the last year. I made more money temping as a college student.

it's incredibly depressing, discouraging and is making me downright miserable.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:27 AM
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25. Prepare for living poor ...
A working person's wage is hardly enough to pay for basic dependency needs, let alone higher education for the kids ...

It's all about the wages ..... Conservative economic policy embraces restrictions on wage income, and thanks to the success at which those policies have been implemented over the last 3 decades, we now reap the harvest of anemic wage earning ...

The economy is being strangled in it's bed by those who refuse to pay for the real value of work ...
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:47 AM
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26. my story: left my job to help mother w/ Alzheimer's and after 20 yrs working in schools,
I needed flexibility and started my own business. I do tutoring and educational consulting but with so many college students not finding work, they're all crowding into the tutoring space and tutoring fees are going way down, lower than they've ever been. Ten yrs. ago a good tutor could make $60-70/hr and there was lots of demand but now you're lucky to make $40, and it's hard to get many students b/c there's always someone with a lower price (but not as much experience).

On top of all this, a person starting his own business has to pay for his own health insurance and that's another story.
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jxnmsdemguy65 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:37 PM
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30. After two and a hear year I've found a job paying $12/hour
and NO BENEFITS.... and I FUCKING HATE THE WORK.

I won't be there long.

I was happier unemployed.

I give up. Fuck it.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 08:00 PM
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34. No shit, really?
Damn, I could have saved them whatever it was they spent on that study, I've taken a beating every time I've had to change jobs over the last 25 years. Yay reaganomics!!! :grr:
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Still Blue in PDX Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:09 AM
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35. Well, duh. nt
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peacefreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:19 AM
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36. After 2 years, I finally found a job.
I should be cheering, right? Uh, no. It is a job barely above minimum wage, no definite promise of full time hours. I am trying to be happy about it, but the cold, hard fact is that it will not provide me enough to keep a roof over my head, bills paid or food on the table. How can it be I'll be worse off than when I was still able to collect unemployment?
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