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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:18 PM
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Chile president rules out pardon for military abuses
Source: BBC News

25 July 2010 Last updated at 14:39 ET
Chile president rules out pardon for military abuses

President Sebastian Pinera of Chile has rejected a plea by the Roman Catholic Church that he pardon members of the armed forces over human rights abuses committed during military rule.

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But Mr Pinera rejected the suggestion saying: "I have reached the conclusion that it would not be prudent or convenient in the current circumstances to promote a new law of general pardon.

"These proposals continue to create tensions and divisions between Chileans, and have reopened old wounds and the rancours of the past".

He said individual cases would be considered in a "very prudent and restrictive manner", but not if they involved serious crimes such as murder, terrorism, rape or crimes against humanity.

The bishop's proposal provoked anger among families of those tortured and killed or disappeared under military rule.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10756568
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Spagettio Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:21 PM
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1. The Catholic Church should be ashamed
Edited on Sun Jul-25-10 02:22 PM by Spagettio
It was apparently not enough to condone the molestation of children. Now they want murderers and torturers to walk free.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:23 PM
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2. The Present Vatican Regime, Ma'am, Loved the Torturers Commanded By Pinochet
Of course they want them out of jail....
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 03:08 PM
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6. Looks like a wide-spread group spanning the Americas, totally opposite priests
like the pro-humanity liberation theology priests like the assassinated Archbishop Romero in El Salvador, who died giving mass, brought down by sniper bullets fired by a graduate of the School of the Americas run by the U.S.

A moment of celebration at the expense of the former church officials, in neighboring Argentina:
From Times Online October 10, 2007
First priest jailed over Argentina's 'Dirty War'
Nico Hines and agencies

A Roman Catholic priest who compared himself to Jesus Christ was jailed for life yesterday for his part in the murders, kidnappings and torture of Argentina’s “Dirty War”. Christian Von Wernich, 69, chaplain to the Buenos Aires police force during the 1976-1983 military dictatorship, used his position to extract confessions from prisoners before handing them over to be tortured, murdered or "disappeared". Von Wernich is the first priest to be sentenced in Argentina for abuses perpetrated on behalf of the junta.

Hundreds of protesters celebrated the guilty verdict by letting off fireworks and burning effigies outside the court in the town of La Plata, 35 miles south of the capital. “It’s a historic day, a wonderful day ... it’s something we mothers didn’t think we’d live to see,” said Tati Almeyda, one of the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo, a group that has spent decades campaigning on behalf of their children who were abducted by the Government during the 1970s and ‘80s. “Justice has been done. The Catholic Church was an accomplice.”

The “Dirty War” was fought against leftwing opponents by Argentina's military rulers, who came to power in 1976. Between 10,000 and 30,000 people were killed or disappeared before Argentina returned to democracy in October 1983.

Von Wernich was convicted of complicity in seven murders, 31 cases of torture and 42 abductions in the Buenos Aires region. He did not give evidence during the three-month trial but beforehand he compared himself to Jesus Christ “who was put on trial with support from the people, who asked that he be crucified".

The priest also accused the witnesses in the case of being possessed by the devil, many of them had survived Argentine torture chambers. “The false witness here is the devil because he is pregnant with malice,” Von Wernich said staring at the judges. When they announced his verdict, the priest hung his head, his mouth turned downward and he crossed his arms over a bulletproof vest.
More:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2629501.ece

http://2.bp.blogspot.com.nyud.net:8090/_Q7qD3T478WE/Rw3JKEjmJrI/AAAAAAAAAGA/Dzyq_N5amZo/s400/Christian_von_Wernich.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org.nyud.net:8090/wikipedia/en/6/63/Von_wernich.jpg

http://edant.clarin.com.nyud.net:8090/diario/2007/10/10/thumb/t003dh04.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com.nyud.net:8090/_7wefL7Vh4U0/Rw1dzpQK18I/AAAAAAAABaE/fT7QVLcrE0k/s320/Von+Wernich+10.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com.nyud.net:8090/images/2007/09/17/world/17church.600.jpg

Nicolas Goldberg for The New York Times

A member of Mothers of May Plaza, a group that has pushed for answers about the dirty war.
They wore scarves with names of the disappeared at the trial of the Rev. Christian von Wernich.

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:28 PM
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3. We pardon our war criminals by default (Bush, Cheney, etal) by not prosecuting them. nt
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:35 PM
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4. The original 9/11 was a disgusting episode in history
aided and abetted by the USA.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 04:25 PM
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10. What a profound shame it is that so many US Americans have NO IDEA whatsosever
there WAS a 9/ll which involved the U.S. with savage, deliberate, cold-blooded death, murder, destruction before the one on U.S. soil.

If they could only be bothered to stay sober, stay awake, join the world of the living. Oh, well, they can't be bothered with matters of conscience.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 04:51 PM
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12. That was the irony of the date
I was mid Atlantic on my way to dance camp in SF and obviously got turned back. My first reaction was to think the Chileans had done it out of retribution.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:58 PM
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5. Kissenger to prison!
Kissenger should definitely be prosecuted and convicted for treason. The people of Chile, and many other countries cry out for justice.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 03:22 PM
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9. He should have been there long ago. People all over the world know what he has done.
People everywhere but here, apparently are well informed on what the U.S. perpetrated against the people of Chile.
Washington Bullets: Pinochet And Kissinger

The story of the death of General Augusto Pinochet, according to the American media, is the story of justice denied, the story of a man, a murderer, a monster who died without having ever faced justice for his crimes—and worse, without having ever even admitted that his brutal legacy left him anything other than loved and respected by his countrymen. But there is another story: the chance that still remains to bring some of those most directly responsible for the crimes of the Chilean regime to justice. Such as former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

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American media in general ignored completely the role that the American government had in the crimes of not just the coup, not just the reign of terror which Pinochet's secret police extended around the South American continent and across the globe—including the worst terrorist act on U.S. soil prior to 9/11, the assassination of Orlando Letelier and Ronni Karpen Moffitt in 1976 in Washington, D.C.—but also multiple attempts to overthrow the democratic government of Chile in the years prior to the coup. These efforts were coordinated from the very top of the American government, by President Richard Nixon and his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

Neither The Washington Post nor The New York Times, either in their obits, or in each of their respective editorials reflecting on Pinochet's death, mentions the name Kissinger. In fact, the Post is odious enough to claim that in the end, Pinochet (and patron Jeanne Kirkpatrick, who also died last week) were "right" and can be given the credit for Chile's economy and stable liberal democracy now (never mind the fact that before Pinochet, Chile had a history of liberal democracy unbroken since the 1930s and unparalleled by any South American, or even many European countries).

By 1975, Sen. Frank Church had already established through public hearings culpability for U.S. covert activities in Chile in the decade leading up to Pinochet's coup. According to his report, "Covert Action in Chile 1963-1973," while the official U.S. response to Allende's attempts to gain power were diplomatic chills and attempts to organize embargos, there was a "Track II" process, at the order of Richard Nixon and coordinated by Director of Central Intelligence Richard Helms, then-Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Henry Kissinger and Attorney General John Mitchell, without the knowledge of the Departments of State and Defense or the U.S. ambassador to Chile. In 1970, in order to prevent Allende from being elected, Nixon ordered a coup:
Track II activities in Chile were undertaken in response to President Nixon's September 15 order and were directed toward actively promoting and encouraging the Chilean military to move against Allende. ...

Although certain elements within the Chilean army were actively involved in coup plotting, the plans of the dissident Chileans never got off the ground. A rather disorganized coup attempt did begin on October 22, but aborted following the shooting of General Schneider.
Chilean Commander-in-chief Rene Schneider's assassination in 1970 greatly destabilized Chilean politics and was part of a coup prompted by Richard Nixon. The Federation of American Scientists' Intelligence Resource Program summarizes these activities, including funding of terrorist groups.
Meanwhile, the United States pursued a two-track policy toward Allende's Chile. At the overt level, Washington was frosty, especially after the nationalization of the copper mines; official relations were unfriendly but not openly hostile. The government of President Richard M. Nixon launched an economic blockade conjunction with U.S. multinationals (ITT, Kennecott, Anaconda) and banks (Inter-American Development Bank, World Bank). The U.S. squeezed the Chilean economy by terminating financial assistance and blocking loans from multilateral organizations. But during 1972 and 1973 the US increased aid to the military, a sector unenthusiastic toward the Allende government. The United States also increased training Chilean military personnel in the United States and Panama.

According to notes taken by CIA director Richard Helms at a 1970 meeting in the Oval Office, his orders were to "make the economy scream." It was widely reported that at the covert level the United States worked to destabilize Allende's Chile by funding opposition political groups and media and by encouraging a military coup d'état. The agency trained members of the fascist organization Patria y Libertad (PyL) in guerrilla warfare and bombing, and they were soon waging a campaign of arson. CIA also sponsored demonstrations and strikes, funded by ITT and other US corporations with Chilean holdings. CIA-linked media, including the country's largest newspaper, fanned the flames of crisis. While these United States actions contributed to the downfall of Allende, no one has established direct United States participation in the coup d'état and few would assign the United States the primary role in the destruction of that government.
However, the FAS notes that no evidence could be shown in 1975 of Kissinger's or Nixon's role in the 1973 coup itself. That would have to wait almost 30 years, to President Clinton's declassification in 2000 of a raft of intelligence documents regarding CIA activities in Chile at the prompting of Rep. Maurice Hinchey, D-N.Y. The Hinchey report is packed with revelations, including that the CIA paid $35,000 to Schneider's killers.

~snip~
When Pinochet was formally indicted in 2004, Dorfman went on Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman.
AMY GOODMAN: There's a lot of discussion, Ariel Dorfman, of Pinochet right now. What about those still alive in this country that supported that coup? President Nixon has died, but Henry Kissinger is still with us.

ARIEL DORFMAN: Well, you know, it's very interesting to see that the United States government has never been able to really live up to and understand that it is responsible for many of these horrors. You know, we Chileans have our own sins to pay in the sense that there were things --

AMY GOODMAN: We only have five seconds.

ARIEL DORFMAN: Oh. I think Kissinger should be indicted.
More:
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/12/12/washington_bullets_pinochet_and_kissinger.php
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 03:09 PM
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7. Oh, church ..., you've been lost for so long.
We've left a trail of breadcrumbs for you.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 03:15 PM
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8. The Roman Catholic Church: Committing horrendous crimes since god knows when A.D.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 04:30 PM
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11. The Protestant church has no claim on decency, either. It's just younger!
Given more time, more power, nothing will hold it back.

The difference is, in the U.S., so many of us are DEEPLY unaware of what has happened to human beings at the hands of professional Christians who tell the world they are truly, inescapably "holier than thou."
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